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COV

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  • Jul 20, 2021
  • #5,706
Evo1883 said:
TLDR ... long story short he's a c**t
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Yes

However the main point is how garbage must Labour be to get thrashed out of sight by him
 
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Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2021
  • #5,707
I just joined unite the union and it asked me if I'd like to donate an extra 10p for the Labour Party a month .

Couldn't do it

Wanted to, but didn't
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2021
  • #5,708
COV said:
Yes

However the main point is how garbage must Labour be to get thrashed out of sight by him
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Brexit provided an invincibility - easy when the opposition tried to ignore the democratic will of the people.
 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • Jul 20, 2021
  • #5,709

Death toll rises and thousands flee homes as floods hit China

Torrential rainfall and burst rivers swamp Henan cities, with commuters trapped on subway trains
www.theguardian.com

‘Everything is on fire’: Siberia hit by unprecedented burning

Locals fear for their health and property as smoke from raging forest fires shrouds an entire region of eastern Russia
www.theguardian.com

Thunderstorms and lightning threaten to spur more fires in US west

More than 80 major wildfires currently burning in western states as Bootleg fire reaches 537 sq miles
www.theguardian.com

All from today's Guardian. Great speech by John Kerry, but never gonna happen.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jul 20, 2021
  • #5,710
COV said:
Yes

However the main point is how garbage must Labour be to get thrashed out of sight by him
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It’s been said before, times can change quickly in politics, the vaccine bounce will disappear soon, especially if the current situation worsens (not just cases/deaths but people self isolating unnecessarily etc).

Labour just need to sort their shit out for when the inevitable opportunity arises
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2021
  • #5,711
CCFCSteve said:
It’s been said before, times can change quickly in politics, the vaccine bounce will disappear soon, especially if the current situation worsens (not just cases/deaths but people self isolating unnecessarily etc).

Labour just need to sort their shit out for when the inevitable opportunity arises
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It's never going to be a proper opportunity though is it because we're years away from an election.

Of course it'd be good to see a bit more bite from Starmer but even if we did it'd be forgotten by the time we're in front of the ballot box.
 

Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2021
  • #5,712
dubed said:

Death toll rises and thousands flee homes as floods hit China

Torrential rainfall and burst rivers swamp Henan cities, with commuters trapped on subway trains
www.theguardian.com

‘Everything is on fire’: Siberia hit by unprecedented burning

Locals fear for their health and property as smoke from raging forest fires shrouds an entire region of eastern Russia
www.theguardian.com

Thunderstorms and lightning threaten to spur more fires in US west

More than 80 major wildfires currently burning in western states as Bootleg fire reaches 537 sq miles
www.theguardian.com

All from today's Guardian. Great speech by John Kerry, but never gonna happen.
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If the pandemic doesn't teach us to take these things seriously what will? Immediate action needed.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2021
  • #5,713
Skybluefaz said:
If the pandemic doesn't teach us to take these things seriously what will? Immediate action needed.
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We’re not going to get a government in who takes it seriously in time. Best bet is America doesn’t lose its mind again and China feels like showing everyone how it’s done
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jul 21, 2021
  • #5,714
The party of law and order. Unless it’s one of them.

Five Tory MPs breached code of conduct by trying to influence judge in Charlie Elphicke sex assault trial, committee rules

Charlie Elphicke was suspended from the Conservatives in 2017 after he was accused of sexual offences against two members of staff, and later sentenced to two years in prison.
news.sky.com
 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • Jul 21, 2021
  • #5,715
skybluetony176 said:
The party of law and order. Unless it’s one of them.

Five Tory MPs breached code of conduct by trying to influence judge in Charlie Elphicke sex assault trial, committee rules

Charlie Elphicke was suspended from the Conservatives in 2017 after he was accused of sexual offences against two members of staff, and later sentenced to two years in prison.
news.sky.com
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yep, saw that - have to say, its insidious behaviour, and stronger action should have been taken.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jul 22, 2021
  • #5,716
This highlights how ludicrous some of our parliamentary laws are.

You can be the Prime Minister and lie in the chamber, on the TV and to people in the street and it's fine.
If you're an MP and tell the truth, you get kicked out.

Yet in that same chamber you can use 'parliamentary privilege' to name or accuse any individual who isn't an MP

Dawn Butler thrown out of Commons for PM lie accusation

Dawn Butler breaks parliamentary rules by accusing Boris Johnson of lying.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2021
  • #5,717
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
This highlights how ludicrous some of our parliamentary laws are.

You can be the Prime Minister and lie in the chamber, on the TV and to people in the street and it's fine.
If you're an MP and tell the truth, you get kicked out.

Yet in that same chamber you can use 'parliamentary privilege' to name or accuse any individual who isn't an MP

Dawn Butler thrown out of Commons for PM lie accusation

Dawn Butler breaks parliamentary rules by accusing Boris Johnson of lying.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Heard this earlier and thought fair play, you can’t/shouldn’t subsequently retract a statement if you believe it. She wanted to make a point and did
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2021
  • #5,718
CCFCSteve said:
Heard this earlier and thought fair play, you can’t/shouldn’t subsequently retract a statement if you believe it. She wanted to make a point and did
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Yeah I can’t stand Butler generally and would rather she wasn’t in my party TBH, but this rule is ridiculous and she obviously believes it. It’s nuts you can say anything and be covered by parliamentary privilege but you can’t say someone’s lying and back it up with evidence.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2021
  • #5,719
CCFCSteve said:
Heard this earlier and thought fair play, you can’t/shouldn’t subsequently retract a statement if you believe it. She wanted to make a point and did
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I agree entirely. It's got more attention by her standing by what she said than if she'd retracted it were it'd be forgotten and she'd probably end up looking a bit silly and like she didn't believe it. She stands by what she said and frankly it's not that hard to prove her right. My ire is based at the stupid antiquated 'traditions' of the house that says she can't call him something he blatantly is in that one room. I'd stand just outside the door shouting "Boris is a liar". Do you really think he'd bring charges against you for it?

Trouble with these traditions is they're a leftover of a time when parliament was filled by toffs and landowners who had control and basically used parliament for their own means (has it really changed?). They can say anything they like in the chamber, unless it's against an MP. I can't think of a less apt title for a group of people than 'Right Honourable'.
 
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wingy

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  • Jul 22, 2021
  • #5,720
IDK maybe they should start from the premise that it's all lies then when he bucks that trend someone from his own party can have a special flag,stand up and wave it about a bit?
 

oakey

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2021
  • #5,721
I think we're in danger of stretching our version of democracy until it snaps.
I was thinking today about my local MP. He's a tory, represents a West Midlands seat, lives in Hampstead. He tweets himself supporting local councillors protecting the green belt and doing the odd apprentice fair. He's a government whip so will always vote with the government and if you email him will send you a tory central office press spiel. Therefore what is the point of having an MP at all? If we just voted for a PM and let the person elected choose their loyal mates, BoJo would likely pick the same bloke. He works for the tory party, he doesn't work for his constituents.
So this could make a cynic lose faith in democracy completely. We keep hearing that all politicians are liars, on the take etc. That leads many to switch off and just vote as if it's Strictly, not government.
 
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Skybluefaz

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  • Jul 23, 2021
  • #5,722
 

Tea & Busquets

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 23, 2021
  • #5,723
Bit off topic, but what do we think of Jeremy Corbyn ?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 23, 2021
  • #5,724
oakey said:
I think we're in danger of stretching our version of democracy until it snaps.
I was thinking today about my local MP. He's a tory, represents a West Midlands seat, lives in Hampstead. He tweets himself supporting local councillors protecting the green belt and doing the odd apprentice fair. He's a government whip so will always vote with the government and if you email him will send you a tory central office press spiel. Therefore what is the point of having an MP at all? If we just voted for a PM and let the person elected choose their loyal mates, BoJo would likely pick the same bloke. He works for the tory party, he doesn't work for his constituents.
So this could make a cynic lose faith in democracy completely. We keep hearing that all politicians are liars, on the take etc. That leads many to switch off and just vote as if it's Strictly, not government.
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I’ve only written to my Labour MP this year, mostly about the nonsense on weddings plus some stuff on the restrictions on classroom teaching. He didn’t reply to any of them nor did I get an acknowledgment.

Will remember that next time he asks for my vote-and he will, with a sub 1000 majority
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 23, 2021
  • #5,725
oakey said:
I think we're in danger of stretching our version of democracy until it snaps.
I was thinking today about my local MP. He's a tory, represents a West Midlands seat, lives in Hampstead. He tweets himself supporting local councillors protecting the green belt and doing the odd apprentice fair. He's a government whip so will always vote with the government and if you email him will send you a tory central office press spiel. Therefore what is the point of having an MP at all? If we just voted for a PM and let the person elected choose their loyal mates, BoJo would likely pick the same bloke. He works for the tory party, he doesn't work for his constituents.
So this could make a cynic lose faith in democracy completely. We keep hearing that all politicians are liars, on the take etc. That leads many to switch off and just vote as if it's Strictly, not government.
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I’ve got Peter Bone - do you want to swap?
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 23, 2021
  • #5,726
My MP has blocked me on Twitter because I’m a lefty.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jul 23, 2021
  • #5,727
Skybluefaz said:
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This is a disgrace if they stick to this stance. Of course it’s proportionate to review personal emails if they only have a limited understanding of certain decision making processes because of their use. The fact is Hancock shouldn’t have been using personal emails for official businesses anyway. I would have thought if this was done regularly it would be a sackable offence on its own due to security risks involved. Didn’t Hilary get slaughtered for this in the US ?

This information would also surely be required for any formal enquiry ? I wonder if any subsequently appointment committee have the powers to demand access ?
 
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wingy

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  • Jul 23, 2021
  • #5,728
Keep humming Boomtown Rats Banana Republic lately .
 

clint van damme

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  • Jul 23, 2021
  • #5,729
shmmeee said:
My MP has blocked me on Twitter because I’m a lefty.
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Didn't realise you were one of Starmers constituents!
 
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Northants Sky Blue

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  • Jul 23, 2021
  • #5,730
Ian1779 said:
I’ve got Peter Bone - do you want to swap?
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Mans a pro Death Penalty, anti-abortion, Burkha hating ghoul.
Has a couple of photo ops in Wellingborough a year then spends rest of it in London.

Wins 53% of the vote
 
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wingy

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  • Jul 23, 2021
  • #5,731
Northants Sky Blue said:
Mans a pro Death Penalty, anti-abortion, Burkha hating ghoul.
Has a couple of photo ops in Wellingborough a year then spends rest of it in London.

Wins 53% of the vote
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In a region bankrupted by the parent companies austerity measures.
Strange how it all stacks up.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Jul 23, 2021
  • #5,732
Northants Sky Blue said:
Mans a pro Death Penalty, anti-abortion, Burkha hating ghoul.
Has a couple of photo ops in Wellingborough a year then spends rest of it in London.

Wins 53% of the vote
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I know - entire council was scrapped after the Tories bankrupted it, and then all straight back into power in the new replacement councils.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 24, 2021
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Evo1883

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  • Jul 24, 2021
  • #5,734
shmmeee said:
My MP has blocked me on Twitter because I’m a lefty.
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Come on , what did you call him / her
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 24, 2021
  • #5,735
Evo1883 said:
Come on , what did you call him / her
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Indont remember to be honest. I’ll go search and find out.

So turns out I said “don’t vote for starving kids if you don’t want to be called names”

This was during the school meals stuff.
 
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Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 24, 2021
  • #5,736
shmmeee said:
Indont remember to be honest. I’ll go search and find out.

So turns out I said “don’t vote for starving kids if you don’t want to be called names”

This was during the school meals stuff.
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Your MP is a snowflake

 

SBAndy

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  • Jul 24, 2021
  • #5,737
shmmeee said:
Indont remember to be honest. I’ll go search and find out.

So turns out I said “don’t vote for starving kids if you don’t want to be called names”

This was during the school meals stuff.
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Oh wow, that’s reminded me of the “Gary Sambrook eats big dinners” graffiti!
 
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wingy

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  • Jul 24, 2021
  • #5,738
"Voting Intention: Con 38%, Lab 34% (20-21 July) | YouGov" Voting Intention: Con 38%, Lab 34% (20-21 July) | YouGov
 
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wingy

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  • Jul 24, 2021
  • #5,739
So many threads
I'll park it here.


"Sam McBride: Halting between two stances, PM’s tough talk may again just be bluster – but it has emboldened loyalists | Belfast News Letter" Sam McBride: Halting between two stances, PM’s tough talk may again just be bluster – but it has emboldened loyalists
 
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  • Jul 26, 2021
  • #5,740

Life expectancy lower for white and mixed ethnic people than Black and Asian groups – study

Findings of Office for National Statistics analysis consistent with previous research say experts
www.theguardian.com
 
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