God I bet you're fun at parties.
I remember seeing some US studies that suggested it would be a net saving if you housed every homeless person because of what you save from all the primary and secondary costs of dealing with it.One of the issues is that there are often conditions attached when providing assistance to homeless people. This can range from having to give up their dog to alcohol & drug testing. This leads to people refusing assistance or being thrown out of whatever assistance program there in.
There have been places that have trialled giving assistance without these conditions, with a lot of success and in the long term reintegrating people back into society and making a meaningful contribution. Not really caught on though as 'giving houses to drug addicts' is a hard sell politically.
Andy Street when he was first campaigning for mayor promised to end homelessness in his first hundred days, was very little mention of it once elected. There's no reason really for anyone to be on the streets, we say when we first went into lockdown that it is entirely possible to resolve the issue.
A childhood friend of mine became homeless a few years ago after getting addicted to heroin over 10 years ago. When we were in contact he turned down multiple attempts to help him from authorities and even us giving him money on the condition he gave you drugs.
What bothers me is when people pitch it as a lifestyle choice, and hence see no need to try do anything about it.
I’m not saying you do, but I think there has been a normalisation of homelessness generally. In a country like ours I’m not sure why it has become accepted.I'm not sure anybody is saying it about every homeless person, are they?
Returning to the key themes of her speech, Kemi Badenoch explains how she feels the UK has been left behind by the rest of the world - or is "stagnating".
She claims that 15 years ago, Polish workers would come to the UK to find work, but now Poland is growing twice as fast as Britain.
That's exactly it, once you factor in the cost of public services in dealing with homeless people it works out cheaper to house them and then in the vast majority of cases they are able to successfully re-integrate into society, at least in the trials I've read about.I remember seeing some US studies that suggested it would be a net saving if you housed every homeless person because of what you save from all the primary and secondary costs of dealing with it.
Even if it didn’t, people being on the street doesn’t sit right with me.
It would need to be carefully managed, safe but not luxurious and with a view to eventually leaving into your own accommodation. But simply getting a job is difficult anyway, without an address, clean clothes, hygiene and so on.That's exactly it, once you factor in the cost of public services in dealing with homeless people it works out cheaper to house them and then in the vast majority of cases they are able to successfully re-integrate into society, at least in the trials I've read about.
When people talking about immigration you often get 'what about our homeless' but we all know perfectly well if the government said today it was going to house all homeless people there would be a lot of people complaining.
Hmm, that's interesting , the Brexit shaped hole, but it's ok won't be pushed round bureaucrats.Fucking hell Kemi
'The country has gone down the toilet in the last 15 years - vote for the party that was in charge for 14 of them to fix it!'
She's so bad.
Exactly what many charities are doing works wellNeeds a new scheme.
Adopt a human (ex prisoner)
Give them House's to convert into abode's like that big build scheme in Manchester for ex services etc ?
It's a good job their successors are following a broadly similar philosophy of leaving it all to the market, it'll work this timeFucking hell Kemi
'The country has gone down the toilet in the last 15 years - vote for the party that was in charge for 14 of them to fix it!'
She's so bad.
The sad thing is there are models that are evidence based that we refuse to try because they’re not politically expedient and society wants to ignore the problem until it affects them personallyOne of the issues is that there are often conditions attached when providing assistance to homeless people. This can range from having to give up their dog to alcohol & drug testing. This leads to people refusing assistance or being thrown out of whatever assistance program there in.
There have been places that have trialled giving assistance without these conditions, with a lot of success and in the long term reintegrating people back into society and making a meaningful contribution. Not really caught on though as 'giving houses to drug addicts' is a hard sell politically.
Andy Street when he was first campaigning for mayor promised to end homelessness in his first hundred days, was very little mention of it once elected. There's no reason really for anyone to be on the streets, we say when we first went into lockdown that it is entirely possible to resolve the issue.
Pretty sure that's everyone except the master's of us!The sad thing is there are models that are evidence based that we refuse to try because they’re not politically expedient and society wants to ignore the problem until it affects them personally
You don’t see it in other areas of life, many but not allPretty sure that's everyone except the master's of us!
There is no Will from the government to help the homeless because they don’t care about them.One of the issues is that there are often conditions attached when providing assistance to homeless people. This can range from having to give up their dog to alcohol & drug testing. This leads to people refusing assistance or being thrown out of whatever assistance program there in.
There have been places that have trialled giving assistance without these conditions, with a lot of success and in the long term reintegrating people back into society and making a meaningful contribution. Not really caught on though as 'giving houses to drug addicts' is a hard sell politically.
Andy Street when he was first campaigning for mayor promised to end homelessness in his first hundred days, was very little mention of it once elected. There's no reason really for anyone to be on the streets, we say when we first went into lockdown that it is entirely possible to resolve the issue.
If this government instead decided to put all of the nation’s homeless into hotels, you really think people wouldn’t criticise it?There is no Will from the government to help the homeless because they don’t care about them.
They are falling over themselves though to provide hundreds of rooms a day for a illlegal immigrants.
Balance out the morals on that one.
First paragraph strongly agreeThere is no Will from the government to help the homeless because they don’t care about them.
They are falling over themselves though to provide hundreds of rooms a day for a illlegal immigrants.
Balance out the morals on that one.
They did Manchester in December that’s exactly what they did and tried to move people on and there was some outcry why should they receive help and not Billy who’s never been in troubleIf this government instead decided to put all of the nation’s homeless into hotels, you really think people wouldn’t criticise it?
Garry Neville was behind some of it.They did Manchester in December that’s exactly what they did and tried to move people on and there was some outcry why should they receive help and not Billy who’s never been in trouble
The hotels are for asylum seekers, so they will only be released once their claim has been settled either way.For all those of you are saying homelessness can't be resolved and we have no solution, ask yourself how many were homeless during Covid?
None. Why? Because they put them up into hotels etc to keep them off the streets. It was most likely a pre-cursor to the idea of now using them as migrant hotels. Whatever your views on migrants or the homeless, surely we should look after the people that are here already by reverting to that method again and help them be monitored and get a foot back into society, before filling them up with the political migrants. Were they just released back onto the streets post-covid? If so, is that what happens with the migrants? I suspect it isn't otherwise we'd encounter larger numbers of those in the homeless population.
Released to where though is the question? Obviously denied means out of the country (or should), but where do the accepted ones go? I assume they're not released onto the streets and if they're not, then my secondary question, was is that same route available for the homeless because I have suspicions that it isn't (but no facts to base those upon).The hotels are for asylum seekers, so they will only be released once their claim has been settled either way.
Hotels in general shouldn’t be used as holding pens for anyone in my view, but separate issue. I’d rather homeless people be offered a room in one versus staying on the street.
There’s really great charities supporting the homeless but if you’re violent or drunk you’re pretty much on your ownReleased to where though is the question? Obviously denied means out of the country (or should), but where do the accepted ones go? I assume they're not released onto the streets and if they're not, then my secondary question, was is that same route available for the homeless because I have suspicions that it isn't (but no facts to base those upon).
I know of a few Ukrainians who got housed with families willing to host them, but I think that was part of a scheme specific to them. I assume the others are granted housing somewhere else?Released to where though is the question? Obviously denied means out of the country (or should), but where do the accepted ones go? I assume they're not released onto the streets and if they're not, then my secondary question, was is that same route available for the homeless because I have suspicions that it isn't (but no facts to base those upon).
But that's a cycle and often are homeless as a result of alcoholism or in some cases drinking because of it when their marriage breaks down etc, previously upstanding citizens. They if anything need the help the most and more likely to turn things around and make a better go of it.There’s really great charities supporting the homeless but if you’re violent or drunk you’re pretty much on your own
That's my assumption, so if there are houses available for them, then they should be available to the homeless too.I know of a few Ukrainians who got housed with families willing to host them, but I think that was part of a scheme specific to them. I assume the others are granted housing somewhere else?
If this government instead decided to put all of the nation’s homeless into hotels, you really think people wouldn’t criticise it?
No argument thereThat's my assumption, so if there are houses available for them, then they should be available to the homeless too.
I mean clearly the ideal situation would be that nobody becomes homeless in the first place.Many would wreck them anyway as the confinement would prove difficult
Did they before in Covid times? Is it any different to those in them now?Many would wreck them anyway as the confinement would prove difficult
I mean clearly the ideal situation would be that nobody becomes homeless in the first place.
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