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chiefdave

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  • Sep 10, 2025
  • #56,071
Captain Dart said:
This maggot wriggles on the hook.

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Who on earth thought it was a good idea to bring him back into the fold. Starmer should have seen the red flags a mile off, everybody else could.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Sep 10, 2025
  • #56,072
PVA said:
Maybe not the right thread for it.

But UHCW 3rd worst in the country

Best and worst-performing NHS Trusts in England named

Critics question the usability of new league tables meant to inform the public and let them exercise choice.
www.bbc.co.uk
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In my experience the front line staff are largely excellent. The biggest issue with frontline staff is the number of agency workers so getting any continuity of care is difficult.

But the management is horrifically bad.

Not helped by the fact the management structure keeps being changed as we move to and from ICBs depending which way the wind is blowing.
 
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rob9872

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  • Sep 10, 2025
  • #56,073
chiefdave said:
Who on earth thought it was a good idea to bring him back into the fold. Starmer should have seen the red flags a mile off, everybody else could.
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Mandelson has been described as having a "significant influence" on the office of current Labour Party Leader and Prime Minister Keir Starmer as a "core part" of his political network
 
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PVA

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  • Sep 10, 2025
  • #56,074
chiefdave said:
In my experience the front line staff are largely excellent. The biggest issue with frontline staff is the number of agency workers so getting any continuity of care is difficult.

But the management is horrifically bad.

Not helped by the fact the management structure keeps being changed as we move to and from ICBs depending which way the wind is blowing.
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Yes I have had very good experiences there with nurses and in particular the midwives who are all unbelievable.
 
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Sbarcher

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  • Sep 10, 2025
  • #56,075
chiefdave said:
In my experience the front line staff are largely excellent. The biggest issue with frontline staff is the number of agency workers so getting any continuity of care is difficult.

But the management is horrifically bad.

Not helped by the fact the management structure keeps being changed as we move to and from ICBs depending which way the wind is blowing.
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My wife is a hospital worker.
There are now many nurses who have left the NHS and joined a medical agency.
Then, due to nurse shortages, the agency sends them to the same ward on twice the salary.
The whole system just pours money out of our pockets.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Sep 10, 2025
  • #56,076
Badenoch says Mandelson was close friends with Epstein at the time that Epstein was involved in child sex trafficking. Was Starmer aware of this when he appointed Mandelson?

Starmer says due process was followed. He says Mandelson has” repeatedly expressed his deep regret, he is right to do so, [and] he’s now playing an important part in the US UK relationship”.

UPDATE: Badenoch said:

This is interesting, he says the ambassador has expressed full regret, but the victims of the paedophile Jeffrey Epstein have called for Lord Mandelson to be sacked.

And just so the house is aware, in 2019 Jeffrey Epstein was convicted of child prostitution and sex trafficking that took place between 2002 and 2005 that is the precise period which Lord Mandelson called Jeffrey Epstein his best pal.

Was the prime minister aware of this intimate relationship when he appointed Lord Mandelson to be our ambassador in Washington?

And Starmer replied:

As she and the house would expect, full due process was followed during this appointment, as it is with all ambassadors. The ambassador has repeatedly expressed his deep regret, he is right to do so, he’s now playing an important part in the US-UK relationship.
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Captain Dart

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  • Sep 10, 2025
  • #56,077
 
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Captain Dart

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  • Sep 10, 2025
  • #56,078

Birthday Card
 
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StrettoBoy

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  • Sep 10, 2025
  • #56,079
Grendel said:
For Mandleson it’s always been about power and influence
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And Money.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #56,080
PVA said:
Maybe not the right thread for it.

But UHCW 3rd worst in the country

Best and worst-performing NHS Trusts in England named

Critics question the usability of new league tables meant to inform the public and let them exercise choice.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Saw this
Was tricky to understand with the different groups
The a and e is in an absolute mess
 

Grendel

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  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #56,081
Mandy gone then - what a clever appointment that was
 

rob9872

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #56,082
Grendel said:
Mandy gone then - what a clever appointment that was
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He came and he gave without taking
 
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Captain Dart

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  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #56,083
Who's next to be ousted from this absolute shit show of a government?
 
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rob9872

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  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #56,084
Captain Dart said:
Who's next to be ousted from this absolute shit show of a government?
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Reeves 1/5
Lammy 6/4
Starmer 10/1
Streeting 20/1
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #56,085
Yum Yum....

https://www.itv.com/news/2025-09-10/read-mandelsons-birthday-book-messages-to-epstein-in-full
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #56,086
Good.

So this book does actually exist then.
 
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RedSalmon

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #56,087
I wonder how much of a 'resettlement' package Mandelson will be entitled to now he is loosing his post?
He was sacked at least twice from the Cabinet and, as I understand it, each time got paid a significant sum.
Grifting at it's fucking best.
 

Ccfcisparks

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #56,088
Sick Boy said:
Good.

So this book does actually exist then.
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Yes, feels like its being forgotten in all the chaos of the last 24 hours
 

Captain Dart

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  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #56,089
rob9872 said:
Reeves 1/5
Lammy 6/4
Starmer 10/1
Streeting 20/1
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Where is the insane one with the ukelele?
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #56,090
Grendel said:
Mandy gone then - what a clever appointment that was
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Did his job, smarmed around until trade deal was done…..probably told Trump he knows where the (Epstein) bodies were buried

Just a creepy guy. Ideal for politics
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #56,091
If only the media wasn’t in bed with the reform wreckers

Nigel Farage faces questions over who funded £885,000 Clacton constituency home

A BBC investigation raises questions about how the Reform UK leader's partner paid for a home in his constituency.
www.bbc.co.uk

They should be forensic in calling this charlatan out he bought the house and put it in her name beyond doubt. There’s no way she had £850k under the bed. Why say she bought it if it’s not true

He’s a liar and a cheat but it’s ok he’s not broken any law ffs
 
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TomRad85

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  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #56,092
I don't see any way Reform don't get in unless Farage pulls it all to pieces before then, which is possible. You really think anyone is going to go out and vote in numbers for the jokers we've got in now or the fucking Tories? Not a chance in hell, you can absolutely tell people are done with them.
 

TomRad85

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  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #56,093
Also i don't think Farage would do anything too radical even if he did get in, don't think he's got the stomach for it. The party will just be full of Tories from the right of the party by then.
 
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fatso

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #56,094
PVA said:
Maybe not the right thread for it.

But UHCW 3rd worst in the country

Best and worst-performing NHS Trusts in England named

Critics question the usability of new league tables meant to inform the public and let them exercise choice.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Im genuinely suprised that there's 2 even worse.
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #56,095
TomRad85 said:
I don't see any way Reform don't get in unless Farage pulls it all to pieces before then, which is possible. You really think anyone is going to go out and vote in numbers for the jokers we've got in now or the fucking Tories? Not a chance in hell, you can absolutely tell people are done with them.
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Which is so unfair
Tories get 15 years Labour 12 months if that
 
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SBT

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  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #56,096
TomRad85 said:
I don't see any way Reform don't get in unless Farage pulls it all to pieces before then, which is possible. You really think anyone is going to go out and vote in numbers for the jokers we've got in now or the fucking Tories? Not a chance in hell, you can absolutely tell people are done with them.
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I think Farage is destined for number 10 one day but I think it’s much more likely to be as a Tory PM than a Reform one.
 
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TomRad85

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  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #56,097
SBT said:
I think Farage is destined for number 10 one day but I think it’s much more likely to be as a Tory PM than a Reform one.
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I've always thought he'd fold his party and lead up the Tories but i'm not sure anymore. It's still possible.
 

TomRad85

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  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #56,098
Sky Blue Pete said:
Which is so unfair
Tories get 15 years Labour 12 months if that
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #56,099
TomRad85 said:
Also i don't think Farage would do anything too radical even if he did get in, don't think he's got the stomach for it. The party will just be full of Tories from the right of the party by then.
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I'd prefer not to find out tbh.
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #56,100
TomRad85 said:
Also i don't think Farage would do anything too radical even if he did get in, don't think he's got the stomach for it. The party will just be full of Tories from the right of the party by then.
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Yeah you can’t moan about Tory governments and then bring in the maddest Tory MPs.
 
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TomRad85

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  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #56,101
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I'd prefer not to find out tbh.
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I'd prefer it to Labour propped up by Zack Polanski and Humza Yousaf (edit: just realised its not him now but still, SNP... yuck) personally but each to their own. I know we won't agree there. I'm not big on Reform and didn't vote for them last time out but i don't see any way a right wing party doesn't get in and the Tories as they are now are finished. As SBT said, he could just as easily fold Reform and go Tory in that time though, i think that party would romp it.
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #56,102
TomRad85 said:
I'd prefer it to Labour propped up by Zack Polanski and Humza Yousaf (edit: just realised its not him now but still, SNP... yuck) personally but each to their own. I know we won't agree there. I'm not big on Reform and didn't vote for them last time out but i don't see any way a right wing party doesn't get in and the Tories as they are now are finished. As SBT said, he could just as easily fold Reform and go Tory in that time though, i think that party would romp it.
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Farage isn’t an idiot and probably knows Reform isn’t suited to government. He’d jump at the opportunity to lead the Tories into the next election.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #56,103
Sick Boy said:
Farage isn’t an idiot and probably knows Reform isn’t suited to government. He’d jump at the opportunity to lead the Tories into the next election.
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He doesn't need to be in government, he's basically able to influence without responsibility currently
 
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TomRad85

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  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #56,104
Sick Boy said:
Farage isn’t an idiot and probably knows Reform isn’t suited to government. He’d jump at the opportunity to lead the Tories into the next election.
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My question mark over that is if he genuinely even wants the responsibility of being PM. That bit i'm not sure on.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #56,105
TomRad85 said:
My question mark over that is if he genuinely even wants the responsibility of being PM. That bit i'm not sure on.
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Not on his inability to govern or even tell the truth or to take responsibility for his actions bloody hell
 
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