Do you want to discuss boring politics? (14 Viewers)

[PVA]

There is huge confusion on tax evasion and tax avoidance here which is a bit embarrassing.

Angela Rayner evaded tax by completing her return incorrectly and non declaration. Nigel Farage has avoided tax by using legitimate HMRC legislation regarding property purchase.

If he has a beneficial interest in the property, which seems very likely, then it must be stated. If it is not, then it is tax evasion.

 

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[Sky Blue Pete]

What do you reckon Pete? Will he beat the Lord’s record and get to rest on the sixth day?

He is the Lord and he reigns on high

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I’m sure jenrick is right naaaaat

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

Her constituents have it in their gift to trigger a by election I suppose.

It has however struck me as odd for people, not just Farage, who claim to be patriotic but find ways of not paying their fair share to HM Treasury.

Sadly not ...

A recall petition will take place if an MP is:

• convicted of an offence in the UK and receives a custodial sentence (including a suspended sentence) or is ordered to be detained, other than solely under mental health legislation
• suspended from the House of Commons for 10 sitting days or 14 calendar days
• convicted of providing false or misleading information for allowance claims under the Parliamentary Standards Act 2009.

She hasn't done any of those things.

 

[Grendel]

If he has a beneficial interest in the property, which seems very likely, then it must be stated. If it is not, then it is tax evasion.

eh? How is that anything to do with Stamp Duty? can you point me to the applicable legislation please.

The only way he can have beneficial interest is on death of his partner?

what the fuck are you on about?

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

I’m sure jenrick is right naaaaat

What so you don’t think he’s right, if you actually say one word or phrase arguing against why it’s bad he’s being released then you need looking into

On a serious level, if you defend that guy then honestly it should become serious and concerning

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

What so you don’t think he’s right, if you actually say one word or phrase arguing against why it’s bad he’s being released then you need looking into

On a serious level, if you defend that guy then honestly it should become serious and concerning

You give me a summary of what the story is

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

You give me a summary of what the story is

You actually are unbelievable, like it’s actually deeply concerning you are trying to play stupid over something so serious

 

[wingy]

I haven't read nor shall I as it won't have any contextual input, just a click -baity title designed to whip people up like yourself,you won't win any truck here,you may as well be a bot for all the disturbance you generate!

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

I haven't read nor shall I as it won't have any contextual input, just a click -baity title designed to whip people up like yourself,you won't win any truck here,you may as well be a bot for all the disturbance you generate!

What one of the masterminds behind the London attack being released onto our streets? Are you really that thick…..oh wait

 

[Captain Dart]

Sadly not ...

A recall petition will take place if an MP is:

• convicted of an offence in the UK and receives a custodial sentence (including a suspended sentence) or is ordered to be detained, other than solely under mental health legislation
• suspended from the House of Commons for 10 sitting days or 14 calendar days
• convicted of providing false or misleading information for allowance claims under the Parliamentary Standards Act 2009.

She hasn't done any of those things.

So we can't recall an MP that is mad.

 

[wingy]

What one of the masterminds behind the London attack being released onto our streets? Are you really that thick oh wait

That's right I'll find the full speech version and come to a conclusion then.maybe, but no I won't be attending your lectures surprise suprise,,you can go and join up with your storm-troopers till your heart's content.

 

[chiefdave]

While it was far from a wise thing to say I'm not sure taking that one sentence out of the context of his wider comments is really benefitting anyone. From the limited part of the transcript available it appears the judge was wishing him the best with his ongoing, at present successful, treatment for schizophrenia.

Not a fan of performative politics, faux outrage and inviting pile-ons but that seems to be where we're at these days.

I can't imagine he's going to be allowed to walk away from the system and back to his old life, as soon as he is released the process to declare him a risk to the public will surely kick in.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

That's right I'll find the full speech version and come to a conclusion then.maybe, but no I won't be attending your lectures surprise suprise,,you can go and join up with your storm-troopers till your heart's content.

What are you even waffling on about, been drinking or something?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I haven't read nor shall I as it won't have any contextual input, just a click -baity title designed to whip people up like yourself,you won't win any truck here,you may as well be a bot for all the disturbance you generate!

That’s why I asked and got a jumped up reply

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Sadly not ...

A recall petition will take place if an MP is:

• convicted of an offence in the UK and receives a custodial sentence (including a suspended sentence) or is ordered to be detained, other than solely under mental health legislation
• suspended from the House of Commons for 10 sitting days or 14 calendar days
• convicted of providing false or misleading information for allowance claims under the Parliamentary Standards Act 2009.

She hasn't done any of those things.

My misunderstanding of the rules, happy to have been corrected.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

That’s why I asked and got a jumped up reply

Stop playing stupid, do you think he should be allowed to be back on our streets then? Try answer it with a simple answer

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Stop playing stupid, do you think he should be allowed to be back on our streets then? Try answer it with a simple answer

I’ve seen chief Dave has given the mature answer you were incapable or just couldn’t be arsed to give

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

I’ve seen chief Dave has given the mature answer you were incapable or just couldn’t be arsed to give

Yes or no, do you think he should be released? It’s a simple question

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Stop playing stupid, do you think he should be allowed to be back on our streets then? Try answer it with a simple answer

Luckily I don’t have an opinion because I don’t have all the information to hand
Based on the law of the land it appears yes is the answer unless we’re fucking off law now in the post nuanced world where everything is binary good and bad ffs

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Luckily I don’t have an opinion because I don’t have all the information to hand
Based on the law of the land it appears yes is the answer unless we’re fucking off law now in the post nuanced world where everything is binary good and bad ffs

‘Yes’ oh my god, I can’t actually believe you think someone responsible for the 7/7 terror attacks in this country should be released.

Definitely the worst post on this forum by a long way, seek help you strange strange man

 

[chiefdave]

This Aswalt situation does raise an interesting question. Should a country who has demanded someone be extradited, then convicted in that country then be sent back to the country he was extradited from?

Chances are if he'd never been extradited he would have been put on trial here, found guilty and we wouldn't have this situation to deal with at all.

Also raises questions around the scope of assessments for releasing someone from a secure mental health unit. It seems that can only be done on the basis of someone being a danger due to their mental health condition. You can't, for example, assess someone for being a danger to the public on terrorism grounds while they are detained under mental health grounds. Possibly needs to be amended.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

This Aswalt situation does raise an interesting question. Should a country who has demanded someone be extradited, then convicted in that country then be sent back to the country he was extradited from?

Chances are if he'd never been extradited he would have been put on trial here, found guilty and we wouldn't have this situation to deal with at all.

Also raises questions around the scope of assessments for releasing someone from a secure mental health unit. It seems that can only be done on the basis of someone being a danger due to their mental health condition. You can't, for example, assess someone for being a danger to the public on terrorism grounds while they are detained under mental health grounds. Possibly needs to be amended.

The simple fact is, he was behind a terrorist attack on our country. He should have never been able to be released onto our streets, and you’ve got weirdos like @Sky Blue Pete saying he should be, some people are beyond saving

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Interestingly it doesn’t say he’s been released

 

[PVA]

eh? How is that anything to do with Stamp Duty? can you point me to the applicable legislation please.

The only way he can have beneficial interest is on death of his partner?

what the fuck are you on about?

Well that's the point. The only way he can legally have any beneficial interest is on the death of his partner.

But if they split up today and sold that house tomorrow he'd be wanting at least some of the proceeds.

That means he has a beneficial interest which has not been declared to HMRC = not paying enough stamp duty = tax evasion.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

This Aswalt situation does raise an interesting question. Should a country who has demanded someone be extradited, then convicted in that country then be sent back to the country he was extradited from?

Chances are if he'd never been extradited he would have been put on trial here, found guilty and we wouldn't have this situation to deal with at all.

Also raises questions around the scope of assessments for releasing someone from a secure mental health unit. It seems that can only be done on the basis of someone being a danger due to their mental health condition. You can't, for example, assess someone for being a danger to the public on terrorism grounds while they are detained under mental health grounds. Possibly needs to be amended.

Just been reading the same thing

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

‘Yes’ oh my god, I can’t actually believe you think someone responsible for the 7/7 terror attacks in this country should be released.

Definitely the worst post on this forum by a long way, seek help you strange strange man

What you gonna do?
Do you think we should have a criminal justice system or not?
seems you are the only arbiter which with the greatest of respect I don’t think you’re clever enough for the role

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Interestingly it doesn’t say he’s been released

You think someone behind a terrorist attack on our country should be released because of ‘law’ seek help

 

[Nuskyblue]

While it was far from a wise thing to say I'm not sure taking that one sentence out of the context of his wider comments is really benefitting anyone. From the limited part of the transcript available it appears the judge was wishing him the best with his ongoing, at present successful, treatment for schizophrenia.

Not a fan of performative politics, faux outrage and inviting pile-ons but that seems to be where we're at these days.

I can't imagine he's going to be allowed to walk away from the system and back to his old life, as soon as he is released the process to declare him a risk to the public will surely kick in.

So this guy is quite literally criminally insane, the fact he is "out" should be the issue not what a judge did or didn't say...

 

[Grendel]

Well that's the point. The only way he can legally have any beneficial interest is on the death of his partner.

But if they split up today and sold that house tomorrow he'd be wanting at least some of the proceeds.

That means he has a beneficial interest which has not been declared to HMRC = not paying enough stamp duty = tax evasion.

He has no beneficial interest at all. You are also making massive assumptions

even if he did he’s not evading tax and has done nothing wrong has he?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

So this guy is quite literally criminally insane, the fact he is "out" should be the issue not what a judge did or didn't say...

He’s not out

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

What you gonna do?

You need to be looked into if you don’t think there is anything wrong with terrorists being released onto our streets, it’s actually serious

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

He’s not out

He’s getting released you idiot

 

[Nuskyblue]

He’s not out

Then who cares. The internet is a bag o bolocks

 

[PVA]

He has no beneficial interest at all. You are also making massive assumptions

even if he did he’s not evading tax and has done nothing wrong has he?

It's not much of an assumption is it? He claimed he was buying a house, then all of a sudden it's in his partners name and paid in cash. Not hard to work out where the money has come from and what the motive was.

And yes if that is what he has done then it is tax evasion and no different to Rayner.