Do you want to discuss boring politics? (16 Viewers)

mmttww said:

Didn't know anything about him other than I knew him from the BBC so I've got no baggage with him. Just reads like evidence of why the left hardly ever gets power incl. his voice and writing style and perspective.

Feels biased towards Starmer and co. when he's writing that 'Labour is on target to build 1.5 million new homes by 2029'. Is it? If his aim was to remind you that left wing politics is still the Life of Brian, fair enough.

It read like a hurried and long winded defence of Starmer which... meh. He's right that a new party with Jezza and Zarah at the helm will be a mess. I'm hoping they'll do the organising at scale part and get good leaders.

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The strategic consequence will be to split the progressive vote, at the precise moment it will need to unite to stave off the one problem nobody in the Corbyn/Sultana movement wants to engage with: the mass radicalisation of people towards racism and fascism.

There is a self-deluding argument coming out of the far left, that says Starmer has somehow fuelled Reform’s rise, by acknowledging the challenges of immigration. Unfortunately, Reform doesn’t need any help: it is riding a real and virulent radicalisation, that’s being driven on social media and by ludicrously lax regulation of broadcasting.

The radicalisation of working class people towards the far right is the strategic problem – meaning that a left wing party that wants to govern has to do three things:

• Unite progressives around a common set of social objectives, so that we can start delivering redistributive justice to the communities where fascism is growing;
• Defend the rights of minorities, by restoring trust in democracy and damping down the rhetoric of hate and extremism that is trying to consume society
• And reach out into the communities where social conservatism and despair are growing with sensible, redistributive policies designed to win them away from Reform.

That’s what Labour actually did on 4 July 2024. It took the battle into small working class towns in the north and Midlands – something that the Corbyn/Sultana Party has no intention of doing (and neither do the Greens).

So my question to people attracted to Your Party is: do you want to sit in a self-created political ghetto, of graduates and “racialised people”? Or are you prepared to join the fight to defend democracy from Reform and the fascists, and defend Britain from foreign aggression. It’s not a new question - it’s a rerun of the question working class people faced in the 1930s.

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shmmeee said:

The fact supposedly left wing posters on here spend ten time as much energy attacking Starmer as they do Farage is why my patience with them is wearing thin tbh. At some point you’re not an ironic cool guy you’re just a useful idiot.

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mmttww said:

He's right that a new party with Jezza and Zarah at the helm will be a mess. I'm hoping they'll do the organising at scale part and get good leaders.

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Ccfcisparks said:

Queen Lucy is being released later today!

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rob9872 said:

You're not allowed to make any financial gain I believe from crime even post sentence, yet I imagine there's a workaround as the papers will be queuing up for the exclusive to tell 'her side of the story'

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Ccfcisparks said:

She deserves a run in government

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chiefdave said:

on what basis?

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rob9872 said:

Farage and co at the helm will be a mess. I'm hoping they'll do the organising at scale part and get good leaders.

I don't believe this one bit of course, but ironic how one is used as a stick to beat with and the other, lets give them time and it might be ok.

Depends which side you sit on here of course, but extreme is extreme.

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Ccfcisparks said:

Queen Lucy is being released later today!

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