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Do you want to discuss boring politics? (17 Viewers)

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Ccfcisparks

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  • Jul 15, 2025
  • #53,621
rob9872 said:
Not because you are lol.
Corbyn, Sultana, Lynch
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Corbyn is the leader, that Gary Barlow if you will. The girls love him and he’s clearly the one at the forefront.

Sultana is the eye candy, nice to look at, but don’t get on the wrong side of her because she has a fiery side

Mick is the enforcer, the strong silent type. Doesn’t say much, but he gets the job done. Deep down he’s a lover at heart though. He just needs someone to break through that tough eco-skeleton
 
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Mcbean

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  • Jul 15, 2025
  • #53,622
i will support anyone who will bring down the current bunch of muppets in charge - for that one and only reason and my support will end when that happens
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 15, 2025
  • #53,623
Mcbean said:
i will support anyone who will bring down the current bunch of muppets in charge - for that one and only reason and my support will end when that happens
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The politics of a toddler at dinner.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Jul 15, 2025
  • #53,624
rob9872 said:
Corbyn, Sultana, Lynch
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3 at the back? Going to need some decent backups. Not sure Corbyn has the stamina for every game and Lynch is bound to get himself sent off and suspended.
 
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Mcbean

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  • Jul 15, 2025
  • #53,625
shmmeee said:
The politics of a toddler at dinner.
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similar to many politicians then
 

rob9872

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 15, 2025
  • #53,626
Scargill and Kinnock in front of the back 3 so will need some pace out wide. I reckon Thunberg and Owen Jones could add that with their youth as two of my other hated individuals. Ed Miliband in the 10, Blair up top.
 
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wingy

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  • Jul 15, 2025
  • #53,627
Strange word that Income/incoming.
 

tisza

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 15, 2025
  • #53,628
I reckon we'll see more independent Muslim MPs (double figures) in next Parliament than MPs from the new Corbyn/Sultana/Lynch party. Whether they align with traditional Labour, the new party or form an independent bloc remains to be seen.
 
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Captain Dart

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  • Jul 15, 2025
  • #53,629
shmmeee said:
The politics of a toddler at dinner.
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Thanks Mr Labour at all costs no matter how they screw us.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 15, 2025
  • #53,630
Mcbean said:
i will support anyone who will bring down the current bunch of muppets in charge - for that one and only reason and my support will end when that happens
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They’re doing a decent job of that themselves.
 
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Captain Dart

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  • Jul 15, 2025
  • #53,631
tisza said:
I reckon we'll see more independent Muslim MPs (double figures) in next Parliament than MPs from the new Corbyn/Sultana/Lynch party. Whether they align with traditional Labour, the new party or form an independent bloc remains to be seen.
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But... but .. diversity is our strength innit?

We'll see how it pans out, I doubt anyone can predict right now, I'd actually be surprised if Sultana holds on to her seat.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 15, 2025
  • #53,632
Captain Dart said:
Thanks Mr Labour at all costs no matter how they screw us.
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No worries Mr “any old crank who tells me I don’t have to face difficult choices”
 
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SBT

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  • Jul 15, 2025
  • #53,633
tisza said:
I reckon we'll see more independent Muslim MPs (double figures) in next Parliament than MPs from the new Corbyn/Sultana/Lynch party. Whether they align with traditional Labour, the new party or form an independent bloc remains to be seen.
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Which constituencies? Would be pretty unprecedented given how small and concentrated the Muslim vote is, I don’t see how double figures is feasible at all.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 15, 2025
  • #53,634
SBT said:
Which constituencies? Would be pretty unprecedented given how small and concentrated the Muslim vote is, I don’t see how double figures is feasible at all.
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There are three majority Muslim constituencies in the UK and all have a Labour MP who won against a Muslim independent in 2024.
 
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SBT

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  • Jul 15, 2025
  • #53,635
shmmeee said:
There are three majority Muslim constituencies in the UK and all have a Labour MP who won against a Muslim independent in 2024.
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I suspect people are somewhat overestimating both the size of the Muslim population and the coherence/importance of ‘the Muslim vote’.
 

tisza

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  • Jul 15, 2025
  • #53,636
Captain Dart said:
But... but .. diversity is our strength innit?

We'll see how it pans out, I doubt anyone can predict right now, I'd actually be surprised if Sultana holds on to her seat.
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Purely based on recent voting patterns - local and national.
SBT said:
Which constituencies? Would be pretty unprecedented given how small and concentrated the Muslim vote is, I don’t see how double figures is feasible at all.
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twenty constituencies with at least 30% Muslim population.
shmmeee said:
There are three majority Muslim constituencies in the UK and all have a Labour MP who won against a Muslim independent in 2024.
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2 of those by the skin of their teeth - vote share from previous elections halved. 2 where if just 1 independent Muslim had stood (rather than 2 or more) they'd have lost their seats.
 
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SBT

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  • Jul 15, 2025
  • #53,637
tisza said:
twenty constituencies with at least 30% Muslim population.
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30% vote share isn’t always enough to win a seat, assuming that every eligible Muslim votes for the same candidate, which they won’t.
 

tisza

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  • Jul 15, 2025
  • #53,638
SBT said:
I suspect people are somewhat overestimating both the size of the Muslim population and the coherence/importance of ‘the Muslim vote’.
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Estimated to be in the region of 3.5 million voters by next general election. As for cohesion it has traditionally tended to be in the 75% + for Labour
 

tisza

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  • Jul 15, 2025
  • #53,639
SBT said:
30% vote share isn’t always enough to win a seat, assuming that every eligible Muslim votes for the same candidate, which they won’t.
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nearly 40 seats were won with less than a 33% share last GE. You're also making an assumption that non-Muslims wouldn't vote for an independent Muslim candidate.
Entering a new age where traditional voting patterns are falling away.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 15, 2025
  • #53,640
tisza said:
Purely based on recent voting patterns - local and national.

twenty constituencies with at least 30% Muslim population.

2 of those by the skin of their teeth - vote share from previous elections halved. 2 where if just 1 independent Muslim had stood (rather than 2 or more) they'd have lost their seats.
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Voters aren’t Lego and you don’t know how people would have voted with different parties or different narratives going in.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 15, 2025
  • #53,641
tisza said:
nearly 40 seats were won with less than a 33% share last GE. You're also making an assumption that non-Muslims wouldn't vote for an independent Muslim candidate.
Entering a new age where traditional voting patterns are falling away.
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I think you’re vastly overestimating the number of people who want to vote for openly religious regressive and misogynistic candidates tbh.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jul 15, 2025
  • #53,642
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Serious issues for anybody that would vote for a party with them 2 clowns in, be hilarious when they split the vote though
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Then you say you're going to vote for a party made up entirely of clowns.
 

Mcbean

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  • Jul 15, 2025
  • #53,643
It’s kept Khan in power as Londons Mayor
 
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SBT

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  • Jul 15, 2025
  • #53,644
Mcbean said:
It’s kept Khan in power as Londons Mayor
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He won by 11%! It’s a largely irrelevant constituency.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 15, 2025
  • #53,645
Any new ideas apart from private credit expansion?

 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 15, 2025
  • #53,646
fernandopartridge said:
Any new ideas apart from private credit expansion?

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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Jul 15, 2025
  • #53,647
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Then you say you're going to vote for a party made up entirely of clowns.
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Going by the polls, I’d say reform are the most popular party made up entirely of ‘clowns’
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 15, 2025
  • #53,648
fernandopartridge said:
Any new ideas apart from private credit expansion?

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Might pick up some repossessed bargains
 
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wingy

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  • Jul 15, 2025
  • #53,649
shmmeee said:
View attachment 44543
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How does it effect the age old argument on here about affordability?
 
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wingy

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  • Jul 15, 2025
  • #53,650
The mainstay of our economic ambition,the other stuff is just superfluous nonsense!
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 15, 2025
  • #53,651
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Going by the polls, I’d say reform are the most popular party made up entirely of ‘clowns’
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But still clowns.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 16, 2025
  • #53,652
wingy said:
How does it affect the age old argument on here about affordability?
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It makes it worse.
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 16, 2025
  • #53,653
Planning had been a shitshow and population has grown rapidly over 15-20 years. What did people expect ?

Again, no acknowledgement of trade offs, if people want loose borders it will cause significant demand on housing, especially in a world where planning is a mess and we have an aging demographic

The attempt to squeeze landlords to get more properties onto the owner occupier market has, unsurprisingly, reduced the private rental availability (when compared with rising population), and together with high interest rates* has caused an increase in rents making it harder for people to save for deposits

The real world means there’s unintended consequences and needs joined up to thinking and tough decisions, many on the ideological left (and on the right to be fait) don’t seem to quite get this.

*caused by continued sticky inflation
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 16, 2025
  • #53,654
CCFCSteve said:
Planning had been a shitshow and population has grown rapidly over 15-20 years. What did people expect ?

Again, no acknowledgement of trade offs, if people want loose borders it will cause significant demand on housing, especially in a world where planning is a mess and we have an aging demographic

The attempt to squeeze landlords to get more properties onto the owner occupier market has, unsurprisingly, reduced the private rental availability (when compared with rising population), and together with high interest rateshas caused an increase in rents making it harder for people to save for deposits

The real world means there’s unintended consequences and needs joined up to thinking and tough decisions, many on the ideological left (and on the right to be fait) don’t seem to quite get this.

*caused by continued sticky inflation
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yawn immigration again. Except that’s not where the crisis started. Just another attempt not to engage with actual demographic change because we can blame the brown people again.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jul 16, 2025
  • #53,655
shmmeee said:
yawn immigration again. Except that’s not where the crisis started. Just another attempt not to engage with actual demographic change because we can blame the brown people again.
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How many times shmmeee, you can try to make this a racist argument if you want but as half my old team and quite a few mates/contacts in my phone are ‘brown’ I find that offensive

I’m talking about uncontrolled immigration, when infrastructure and house building can’t keep up especially when there’s no planning for it. I’ve explained this numerous times

ps you might not have noticed but over the last 15-20 years a lot of the immigration was white.
 
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