What happened in Rotherham is not in dispute, nor are the wider statistics. But for a national inquiry, I’d expect to see nationwide evidence of the police dismissing some demographics and pursuing others.
Your wording suggests that you won’t believe it if that evidence isn’t found.
It’s clear you have already decided what the findings are, so save them some time and tell them what to put in the report.Why don't you ask to give your expert views to the inquiry? You can say you worked with children as can @shmmeee - I am sure your expertise will get the respect and validation it deserves.
Absolutely trueDo you have data on numbers and % of criminals deported? As things stand
The number of people awaiting deportation has gone up 4.7k in 3 years. It’s an ever growing list which suggests the rules aren’t working as intended. It’s one thing issuing someone with deportation orders, it’s another thing to actually remove them.
You and I agree that it is a scandal. Where we differ is that you think it is THE scandal. And your second paragraph illustrates why that is. Your priorities are clear.It’s a scandal. Not only did establishment know about it, they gaslit the public by insisting that white perpetrators were the problem and therefore, any focus on other ethnic group meant you were racist and didn’t actually care about victims.
Incidents like this really does call into question the UK’s immigration policies post-1997. If our society fragments into community of communities, that’s not good. Different cultures have different values and what happens if this becomes a source of conflict?
Is this both genuine and not missing context? Surely can’t be suggest anyone who happens to be Pakistani is removed from the country?
Fake news I reckonIs this both genuine and not missing context? Surely can’t be suggest anyone who happens to be Pakistani is removed from the country?
going to be a load of police knocking on his door.
rightly sogoing to be a load of police knocking on his door.
That’s already true though isn’t it 2% of the sexual crimes reach conviction!It’s clear you have already decided what the findings are, so save them some time and tell them what to put in the report.
What if it finds that there is a broader problem with the police not investigating these crimes properly regardless of demographic?
Original link below for “context”Is this both genuine and not missing context? Surely can’t be suggest anyone who happens to be Pakistani is removed from the country?
Original link below for “context”
You might try to wrap your head around the idea that branding people apologists for paedophiles isn't likely keep the discussion 'on topic'.
and if you've got examples of people insinuating this, post them, because I've not seen anything even approaching that being said.
Some of the stuff you're saying is pretty unnerving tbh. It's not a mile off making direct threats to people, and I'm not the first to spot that.
You and I agree that it is a scandal. Where we differ is that you think it is THE scandal. And your second paragraph illustrates why that is. Your priorities are clear.
He literally says "Mass deportation of pakistanis from Britain"Yes, the priorities are clear.
If the police weren’t afraid of going after ethnic minorities for crimes in the first place, there wouldn’t be a scandal as such. It’s the fact that the authorities knew what was going on but decided not to act and to then deny there was any issues altogether.
If you allow criminals to commit crimes uninhibited, it’s obviously going to embolden perpetrators to commit more crime.
If they nipped this in the bud in the 90s/00s and the statistics probably don’t become so lopsided and therefore, no longer a ‘gift to racists’.
I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you’ve only seen the clipped tweet.
He’s said what he said RT’ing the pie chart from the Casey Report. Then links the criteria for deportation of migrants in an article he wrote in the Telegraph.
Which is, to summarise:
1. Migrants with a negative fiscal impact
2. Criminals
3. Revocation of citizenship and deportation for anyone who; i) advocates replacing British law with sharia law ii) expresses support for terrorist organisations and iii) promotes violence against apostates, dissenters, free speech advocates or minorities
It’s not a blanket mass deportation of any and every Pakistani as you present.
Well the person he quoted at least had the foresight and decency to make clear it was only Pakistani paedophiles he wanted to deport. I’m sure his failure to do so was just an oversight and not an implicit endorsement of something more extreme.He’s said what he said RT’ing the pie chart from the Casey Report. Then links the criteria for deportation of migrants in an article he wrote in the Telegraph.
Which is, to summarise:
1. Migrants with a negative fiscal impact
2. Criminals
3. Revocation of citizenship and deportation for anyone who; i) advocates replacing British law with sharia law ii) expresses support for terrorist organisations and iii) promotes violence against apostates, dissenters, free speech advocates or minorities
It’s not a blanket mass deportation of any and every Pakistani as you present.
Im glad he is able to tap into the mind of Douglas Carswell to explain what hes thinking when sending a message.Well the person he quoted at least had the foresight and decency to make clear it was only Pakistani paedophiles he wanted to deport. I’m sure his failure to do so was just an oversight and not an implicit endorsement of something more extreme.
Now I really have to go as my dog is going ballistic for some reason.
Out of interest, are there any other British people you think we should deport for holding objectionable views or for having a “negative fiscal impact” or is it just the ones with Pakistani origin?the criteria for deportation of migrants in an article he wrote in the Telegraph.
Which is, to summarise:
1. Migrants with a negative fiscal impact
2. Criminals
3. Revocation of citizenship and deportation for anyone who; i) advocates replacing British law with sharia law ii) expresses support for terrorist organisations and iii) promotes violence against apostates, dissenters, free speech advocates or minorities
lolDouglas Carswell isn’t even a politician anymore. It’s hardly a gotcha moment is it.
And there you have it, folks!If the police weren’t afraid of going after ethnic minorities for crimes in the first place, there wouldn’t be a scandal as such.
Douglas Carswell isn’t even a politician anymore. It’s hardly a gotcha moment is it.
Maybe im misunderstanding this. Is it saying 1 of 16 men arrested are of Pakistani origin?
or 1 of 16 Pakistani men have been arrested on suspicion in Rotherham?
Unfortunately it’s my newborn son that means I currently have no social life, but on the plus side it sounds like he might be deported soon.He's probably the biggest loser on this forum. Posting at peak weekend times consistently, which is evidently because he has no social life. Wife wants to leave him, but projects that onto others.
Yes will give it a read. Seems interesting.They didn't collect data in every area, 2/3rds roughly, but where they did, Pakistani men were overrepresented in the crime figures by 1450%.
I would encourage you to read the Casey report. It is a long read, about 200 pages, but it says a lot.
Unfortunately some of the apologists on here either haven't read it, or still want to pretend it isn't an issue.
Course he can and these bastards who’ve committed despicable crimes and those wankers who turned a blind eye have caused a massive issue for their communitiesOriginal link below for “context”
Out of interest, are there any other British people you think we should deport for holding objectionable views or for having a “negative fiscal impact” or is it just the ones with Pakistani origin?
The report left the government with no alternative . It’s an excellent piece of work full of facts and evidence dispassionately presented and soberly laying out the damage done to so many vulnerable childrenThey didn't collect data in every area, 2/3rds roughly, but where they did, Pakistani men were overrepresented in the crime figures by 1450%.
I would encourage you to read the Casey report. It is a long read, about 200 pages, but it says a lot.
Unfortunately some of the apologists on here either haven't read it, or still want to pretend it isn't an issue.
And there you have it, folks!
The report left the government with no alternative . It’s an excellent piece of work full of facts and evidence dispassionately presented and soberly laying out the damage done to so many vulnerable children
The Casey Report? It makes 12 recommendations, only one of which explicitly refers to the question of ethnicity. But if you want to claim that’s the only one that matters, be my guest.That’s literally the basis of the report…
My gut feeling is that this is less a scandal based on race, and more one based on class. Look at the comments on the victims of Peter Sutcliffe at the time and how they differed in seriousness depending on the ‘reputation’ of the victim.That’s already true though isn’t it 2% of the sexual crimes reach conviction!
Think it’s a huge injustice that’s been waiting to happen and this has made things a whole lot worse as mucca is articulating well
My gut feeling is that this is less a scandal based on race, and more one based on class. Look at the comments on the victims of Peter Sutcliffe at the time and how they differed in seriousness depending on the ‘reputation’ of the victim.
Unfortunately it’s my newborn son that means I currently have no social life, but on the plus side it sounds like he might be deported soon.
Who was head of CPS 2008-2013? Who didn't want to prosecute the Rochdale case before Nafir Afzal went ahead anyway?Which begs the question why Keir Starmer and top Labour grandees dismissed the issue as ‘far right dog whistling’…
Had the government took up a national inquiry from Day 1, they could’ve made the Tories look v silly for not getting a grip on the issue. Yet, the government voted down the motion in parliament, gaslit the public they were jumping on the ‘far right’ bandwagon all to then do a U-turn and have the inquiry anyway.
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