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CCFCSteve

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  • Jun 8, 2021
  • #4,516
Brighton Sky Blue said:
There is a good reason for not overlapping rural and urban constituencies as the needs are quite different. Just weighting things more in favour of the south exacerbates the bias already there
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Agree about the challenges around rural/urban constituencies. Its a tricky balance between serving the constituency and then MPs forming part of central government. The latter is why I think constituencies should be broadly equal in populations though

Ps last thing any of us want is a more London/south centric government focus. Not sure government do either bearing in mind there’s more left leaning support down there
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Jun 8, 2021
  • #4,517
Should he stay or should he go now?

If he goes there will be trouble.



But if he stays there will be double.


 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 8, 2021
  • #4,518
Philosorapter said:
Should he stay or should he go now?

If he goes there will be trouble.

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But if he stays there will be double.


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You’re just setting yourself up for disappointment. Labour don’t sack leaders before they’ve had a GE (or in Corbyns case: 2)
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Jun 8, 2021
  • #4,519
shmmeee said:
You’re just setting yourself up for disappointment. Labour don’t sack leaders before they’ve had a GE (or in Corbyns case: 2)
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Just a quick reminder..

Owen Smith 2016 Labour Party leadership campaign - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Actually, they do
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 8, 2021
  • #4,520
Philosorapter said:
Just a quick reminder..

Owen Smith 2016 Labour Party leadership campaign - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Actually, they do
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Um…. Not sure what reality you’re in where Owen Smith won the leadership.
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Jun 8, 2021
  • #4,521
shmmeee said:
Um…. Not sure what reality you’re in where Owen Smith won the leadership.
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But the challenge was there and at least the membership had a vote on it. I am sure you would fully back this if it happened again.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 8, 2021
  • #4,522
Philosorapter said:
But the challenge was there and at least the membership had a vote on it. I am sure you would fully back this if it happened again.
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Yeah and the party rejected it because we don’t sack leaders before a GE no matter how poor they are. As Corbyn showed.

But sure, if you want to see Sultana or Burgon get curb stomped while the party looks like a joke crack on.

Starmers approvals even now are miles ahead of Corbyns in 2016 and Corbyn won at a canter. *Because the party doesn’t sack leaders before a GE*.
 

chiefdave

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  • Jun 8, 2021
  • #4,523
Brighton Sky Blue said:
There is a good reason for not overlapping rural and urban constituencies as the needs are quite different. Just weighting things more in favour of the south exacerbates the bias already there
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I'm in Coventry South and if this is similar to the last time it came up we were going to be bundled into Kenilworth!
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Jun 8, 2021
  • #4,524
chiefdave said:
I'm in Coventry South and if this is similar to the last time it came up we were going to be bundled into Kenilworth!
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There are no major changes to Coventry, the number of MPs stays the same. Just a few changes between the Coventry North East and Coventry South boundaries.

Binley and Stoke way.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jun 8, 2021
  • #4,525
fernandopartridge said:
It's incredibly cynical and is to bake in the Tories in government for many many years
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They have just fully adopted the Republican strategy. Waiting for them to introduce filibusters next.
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 8, 2021
  • #4,526
shmmeee said:
Yeah and the party rejected it because we don’t sack leaders before a GE no matter how poor they are. As Corbyn showed.

But sure, if you want to see Sultana or Burgon get curb stomped while the party looks like a joke crack on.

Starmers approvals even now are miles ahead of Corbyns in 2016 and Corbyn won at a canter. *Because the party doesn’t sack leaders before a GE*.
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It will be the right of the party that tries to remove him if anyone does.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 8, 2021
  • #4,527
shmmeee said:
Yeah and the party rejected it because we don’t sack leaders before a GE no matter how poor they are. As Corbyn showed.

But sure, if you want to see Sultana or Burgon get curb stomped while the party looks like a joke crack on.

Starmers approvals even now are miles ahead of Corbyns in 2016 and Corbyn won at a canter. *Because the party doesn’t sack leaders before a GE*.
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Sultana and Burgon are the only ones asking the questions I want asking and looking like they give a shit. Not to say I want either as leader just I want to see more of that from the incumbent
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jun 8, 2021
  • #4,528
CCFCSteve said:
Agree about the challenges around rural/urban constituencies. Its a tricky balance between serving the constituency and then MPs forming part of central government. The latter is why I think constituencies should be broadly equal in populations though

Ps last thing any of us want is a more London/south centric government focus. Not sure government do either bearing in mind there’s more left leaning support down there
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Most of the S/SE leans to the right. As does most rural communities. London has more left leaning but even that has an almost equal area voting blue in most of the affluent areas.

I totally agree about equal representation in terms of population, but the rural constituencies wouldn't like it as they would become bigger.

The US are constantly doing this to 'level up' district populations but it's consistently been show that the way they do it is incredibly haphazard and seems to be designed to minimise the voice of those more likely to vote democrat
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 8, 2021
  • #4,529
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Sultana and Burgon are the only ones asking the questions I want asking and looking like they give a shit. Not to say I want either as leader just I want to see more of that from the incumbent
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This is 2016 all over again. He may be shite (I actually think he’s doing OK considering, but still) but until you’ve got someone better all you do by attacking him is strengthen him. Burgon and Sultana are the Owen Smiths of the left.

The left clearly hasn’t learned shit from the last five years which is incredibly frustrating.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 8, 2021
  • #4,530
shmmeee said:
This is 2016 all over again. He may be shite (I actually think he’s doing OK considering, but still) but until you’ve got someone better all you do by attacking him is strengthen him. Burgon and Sultana are the Owen Smiths of the left.

The left clearly hasn’t learned shit from the last five years which is incredibly frustrating.
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I did say I wouldn’t have either of them as leader. But they are some of quite few asking what I want to be asked. Also not yet at the point of wanting Starmer to go though
 

Ian1779

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  • Jun 8, 2021
  • #4,531
shmmeee said:
This is 2016 all over again. He may be shite (I actually think he’s doing OK considering, but still) but until you’ve got someone better all you do by attacking him is strengthen him. Burgon and Sultana are the Owen Smiths of the left.

The left clearly hasn’t learned shit from the last five years which is incredibly frustrating.
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They are asking the questions not attacking him directly. People whispering about replacing Starmer are from the right.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 8, 2021
  • #4,532
dubed said:
Bit sloppy for a data guy

Cummings fails to provide evidence to back up dishonesty claim

Former aide to Boris Johnson had promised to give documents to Commons committee
www.theguardian.com
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He’s not a data guy, he’s a data fanboy.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jun 8, 2021
  • #4,533
dubed said:
Bit sloppy for a data guy

Cummings fails to provide evidence to back up dishonesty claim

Former aide to Boris Johnson had promised to give documents to Commons committee
www.theguardian.com
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Wonder if this is all part of his masterplan though. Cummings waits for Hancock to tell his version of events at the hearing (perjure himself for want of a better phrase) and then after it’s done Cummings produces his evidence. Hancock doubly in the shit.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jun 9, 2021
  • #4,534
I see that the Daily Heil and Express are losing their shit because Oxford students elected to take down a portrait of the queen from their common room. The only countries I’ve been where it’s mandatory to display an image of the head of state are tin pot dictatorships.
 

chiefdave

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  • Jun 9, 2021
  • #4,535
skybluetony176 said:
I see that the Daily Heil and Express are losing their shit because Oxford students elected to take down a portrait of the queen from their common room. The only countries I’ve been where it’s mandatory to display an image of the head of state are tin pot dictatorships.
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Thought they were keen on Universities being able to do whatever they liked. Or does that only apply when its certain types of event being cancelled?
 

David O'Day

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  • Jun 9, 2021
  • #4,536
chiefdave said:
Thought they were keen on Universities being able to do whatever they liked. Or does that only apply when its certain types of event being cancelled?
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Free speech unless it is against them it seems
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 9, 2021
  • #4,537
chiefdave said:
Thought they were keen on Universities being able to do whatever they liked. Or does that only apply when its certain types of event being cancelled?
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Surely you’re not accusing the Daily Heil of hypocrisy in pursuit of a culture war are you?

Daily Mail criticised after 'ridiculous' and 'racist' piece on 'no-go areas for white people'

The Daily Mail is facing massive amounts of backlash after it published a baseless and highly inflammatory article on 'no-go areas for white people'.
www.joe.co.uk
One of the areas they’ve declared a no go area for “whites” is 88% white and weeks earlier in another article they described it as a beautiful leafy area perfect for their readership to settle in.
 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • Jun 9, 2021
  • #4,538

Covid contract for firm run by Cummings’ friends unlawful, finds judge

Michael Gove acted unlawfully when the government awarded contract without tender process, rules judge
www.theguardian.com
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jun 9, 2021
  • #4,539
dubed said:

Covid contract for firm run by Cummings’ friends unlawful, finds judge

Michael Gove acted unlawfully when the government awarded contract without tender process, rules judge
www.theguardian.com
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So the ones awarded to Hancock's friends/family, Patel's and every other Tory MP are fine. But Cummings not.

Hmm...
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jun 9, 2021
  • #4,540
skybluetony176 said:
I see that the Daily Heil and Express are losing their shit because Oxford students elected to take down a portrait of the queen from their common room. The only countries I’ve been where it’s mandatory to display an image of the head of state are tin pot dictatorships.
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On the day when some charities have released a report on terminally ill people having their benefits withdrawn.
A cynic might say this is a deliberate distraction.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Jun 9, 2021
  • #4,541
skybluetony176 said:
I see that the Daily Heil and Express are losing their shit because Oxford students elected to take down a portrait of the queen from their common room. The only countries I’ve been where it’s mandatory to display an image of the head of state are tin pot dictatorships.
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Replaced her with a topless Katie Price poster… fucking students.
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 9, 2021
  • #4,542
When you find yourself outraged at teenagers interior design decisions it’s probably time for a sit down and a cup of tea.
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Jun 9, 2021
  • #4,543
shmmeee said:
When you find yourself outraged at teenagers interior design decisions it’s probably time for a sit down and a cup of tea.
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I don't think it is just that which is the issue. It's that it starts from there and then snowballs further.

I think it is incredible that those type of people go on about 'the stirrings of fascism', yet what they end up doing is usually just that any way.
 
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Johnnythespider

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  • Jun 9, 2021
  • #4,544
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
So the ones awarded to Hancock's friends/family, Patel's and every other Tory MP are fine. But Cummings not.

Hmm...
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It was awarded by Gove i think to Cummings pal
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 9, 2021
  • #4,545
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I don't think it is just that which is the issue. It's that it starts from there and then snowballs further.

I think it is incredible that those type of people go on about 'the stirrings of fascism', yet what they end up doing is usually just that any way.
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Fascism would insist that they display a picture of the head of state. This is the complete opposite of that. This is an act of freedom being carried out by a consensus. Or democracy as it’s also known.
 

COV

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  • Jun 9, 2021
  • #4,546
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I don't think it is just that which is the issue. It's that it starts from there and then snowballs further.

I think it is incredible that those type of people go on about 'the stirrings of fascism', yet what they end up doing is usually just that any way.
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Are you saying that doing what they did is facism?
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 9, 2021
  • #4,547
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
So the ones awarded to Hancock's friends/family, Patel's and every other Tory MP are fine. But Cummings not.

Hmm...
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It’s funny how elements of the press are reporting it when the people who took the case to work put Gove and No. 10 at front and centre.

High Court rules: Gove broke the law | Good Law Project

Michael Gove broke the law by giving a contract to a communications agency run by long time associates of him and Dominic Cummings, the High Court has decided. The Court found that the decision to award the £560,000 contract to Public First was tainted by “apparent bias” and was unlawful. The...
goodlawproject.org
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 9, 2021
  • #4,548
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I don't think it is just that which is the issue. It's that it starts from there and then snowballs further.

I think it is incredible that those type of people go on about 'the stirrings of fascism', yet what they end up doing is usually just that any way.
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How is removing a portrait ‘the stirrings of fascism’?
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 9, 2021
  • #4,549
It's ridiculous that cabinet members can break the law and half the country doesn't give a shit and the media just brush it under the carpet.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 9, 2021
  • #4,550
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I don't think it is just that which is the issue. It's that it starts from there and then snowballs further.

I think it is incredible that those type of people go on about 'the stirrings of fascism', yet what they end up doing is usually just that any way.
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Where exactly can a student changing a poster lead to? Wallpaper? Soft furnishings? The horror!
 
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