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David O'Day

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  • Oct 24, 2021
  • #246
clint van damme said:
if they'd dragged a couple of their support who were encroaching on the segregation out it would have put a stop to a lot of it there and then .
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If the old bill and stewards had ejected a few of the more mouthy ringleaders the encroachment doesn't happen
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Oct 24, 2021
  • #247
If the guy is a ST holder and he goes down does he still count as part of the attendance even though he's in the nick?
 
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clint van damme

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  • Oct 24, 2021
  • #248
Liquid Gold said:
If the guy is a ST holder and he goes down does he still count as part of the attendance even though he's in the nick?
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imagine the shame if he's phase 1?
 
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David O'Day

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  • Oct 24, 2021
  • #249
clint van damme said:
imagine the shame if he's phase 1?
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Does he have to give the shirt back?
 
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eastwoodsdustman

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  • Oct 24, 2021
  • #250
So he has been charged! Shows not to listen to gossip
 

clint van damme

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  • Oct 24, 2021
  • #251
eastwoodsdustman said:
So he has been charged! Shows not to listen to gossip
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fuck that, who doesn't like gossip?!
 

lord_garrincha

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  • Oct 24, 2021
  • #252
clint van damme said:
imagine the shame if he's phase 1?
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I'm looking for his name on the back of last season's shirt... I will never live this down if I find it!
 
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David O'Day

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  • Oct 24, 2021
  • #253
Is the copper who was stood 5 yards behind hm and did nothing as he was too scared to to move going to be dealt with?

That old bill rep needs to be fucking hammered into the ground next fans forum
 

eastwoodsdustman

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  • Oct 24, 2021
  • #254
clint van damme said:
imagine the shame if he's phase 1?
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phase 1 elite is an automatic pardon
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Oct 24, 2021
  • #255
eastwoodsdustman said:
phase 1 elite is an automatic pardon
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I think you get to be the judge and sentence whoever you want.
 

Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Oct 24, 2021
  • #256
I don’t know if it’s on here but just read that Richard Overson has said that he will pay for any damage to the flags
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Oct 24, 2021
  • #257
Terry Gibson's perm said:
I don’t know if it’s on here but just read that Richard Overson has said that he will pay for any damage to the flags
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Derby should do it but I'm sure they can't afford it.
 
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SAJ

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  • Oct 24, 2021
  • #258
pusbccfc said:
Yep, that's the difference. Blackburn was policed well. Yesterday was an absolute horror show from the police. A barrier doesn't work because you kettle fans together.
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The club have to pay for policing in the ground that’s why you don’t get many in there.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Oct 24, 2021
  • #259
SAJ said:
The club have to pay for policing in the ground that’s why you don’t get many in there.
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Yes but don't the police decide the amount of police needed? I seem to remember the club were annoyed about having to pay a fortune in the past?
 
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SAJ

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  • Oct 24, 2021
  • #260
David O'Day said:
Yes but don't the police decide the amount of police needed? I seem to remember the club were annoyed about having to pay a fortune in the past?
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What, do the Police say they want 40 there and the club say we’ll pay for that when they only budgeted for 10. I can’t see that happening. I would have thought they would work off what intelligence and rumours there are go to the club and a decision is made. Certainly my understanding that if the Police come into the ground then the club has to pay for it. I imagine they can get 3 or 4 steward for the cost of a copper so go for that alternative.
 

Londonccfcfan

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  • Oct 24, 2021
  • #261
In the past the police presence when Millwall come to town is ridiculous. Literally dozens of police with dogs.

Few policemen with dogs are worth a dozen without. Dogs are a big deterrent.
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Oct 24, 2021
  • #262
Londonccfcfan said:
In the past the police presence when Millwall come to town is ridiculous. Literally dozens of police with dogs.

Few policemen with dogs are worth a dozen without. Dogs are a big deterrent.
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Im sure they were Met police and dogs
 

better days

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  • Oct 24, 2021
  • #263
Gynnsthetonic said:
Im sure they were Met police and dogs
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Yeah MFC are seen as high risk wherever they go so wouldn't be surprised if the Met have their own team who know all the faces to accompany them on away trips
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Oct 24, 2021
  • #264
Do WMP still have horses, used to see Mounted Police almost every game at Highfield Road, always trying to avoid the manure in the road!
 

better days

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  • Oct 24, 2021
  • #265

Four police officers hurt in Coventry City football disorder - BBC News

One was taken to hospital after trouble erupted at Coventry City's ground on Saturday.
www.bbc.co.uk
 

Adge

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  • Oct 24, 2021
  • #266
Terry Gibson's perm said:
A couple of people have said it contributed to the equaliser I am interested to hear why.
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Same ones who said it when Sheff Utd done the same in our relegation season.
 

chiefdave

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  • Oct 24, 2021
  • #267
SAJ said:
What, do the Police say they want 40 there and the club say we’ll pay for that when they only budgeted for 10. I can’t see that happening. I would have thought they would work off what intelligence and rumours there are go to the club and a decision is made. Certainly my understanding that if the Police come into the ground then the club has to pay for it. I imagine they can get 3 or 4 steward for the cost of a copper so go for that alternative.
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It would be part of the conditions for getting a safety certificate wouldn't it? In any case the issue isn't really the number of police on duty its the way the stewards and police are seemingly not capable of simple crowd control that is done as a matter of routine at other clubs.

Add in that we have a crowd dispersal plan seemingly designed to maximise trouble and an attitude that as soon as its off the arena footprint its not the responsibility of those on duty for a match day and its no wonder we have problems.
 
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letsallsingtogether

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  • Oct 24, 2021
  • #268
Gynnsthetonic said:
Do WMP still have horses, used to see Mounted Police almost every game at Highfield Road, always trying to avoid the manure in the road!
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I believe we no longer have Mounted police.
At Blackburn last week they had Mounted police dog handlers and at least 50 more police officers they were standing all along the access road to the ground.
Blackburn must pay for this not sure if they have that many every week.
Funny there was no trouble and we took as many there as Derby had here.
 
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JimmyHillsbeard

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  • Oct 24, 2021
  • #269
letsallsingtogether said:
well I sang back.
The stations up there the stations up there why dont u fuck off the stations just there.
Did get a cheer from a few
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am I the only who cringes when we sing much “we want to go home” at away games?
 
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Peter Billing Eyes

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  • Oct 24, 2021
  • #270
letsallsingtogether said:
I believe we no longer have Mounted police.
At Blackburn last week they had Mounted police dog handlers and at least 50 more police officers they were standing all along the access road to the ground.
Blackburn must pay for this not sure if they have that many every week.
Funny there was no trouble and we took as many there as Derby had here.
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The WMP horses used to be stabled at Chace Ave in Willenhall but they removed them about 15 years ago.
 

Brylowes

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  • Oct 24, 2021
  • #271
Liquid Gold said:
BUILD A FENCE IN THE STANDS!!!
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And make The away fans pay for it.
 
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ccfc1234

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  • Oct 24, 2021
  • #272

Fans involved in trouble at Coventry City v Derby match face lifetime bans

One man was arrested after fighting broke out in the crowd at Saturday's game
www.coventrytelegraph.net


I don't condone violence but lifetime bans in my view would be a massive over reaction. Seems to me that the police just want to ban anything that looks slightly boisterous.

If that is the approach nowerdays surely all the 'known' Millwall fans that the Met keep tabs on home and away would just be banned?

I don't want to go back to what the old heads call the dark ages of football but yesterday I saw first hand disability discrimination by a Derby group pissed/drugged up before the game and if their disrespectful attitude they got them a slap or two later in the day as they were being obnoxious again I would not want to ban the fans for life who did that.

It's a very fine line but the police need to target the organisers and those who bring tools intent on committing horrible crimes. Ban them for life 1000%. Not your peaceful but tough fans who can hold the line when faced with extreme provocation.

I see both sides and how a blanket approach is convenient but I would suggest there is a little perspective about the different type of trouble maker as there not all the same.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 24, 2021
  • #273
pusbccfc said:
Did that stop the current generation going when there was trouble like this most weeks?
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Yes of course it did in the 70’s and 80’s
 
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oscillatewildly

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  • Oct 24, 2021
  • #274
Peter Billing Eyes said:
The WMP horses used to be stabled at Chace Ave in Willenhall but they removed them about 15 years ago.
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I think it was even longer than that. I think in the last couple of seasons of our prem membership the mounted section (when needed) was drafted in from Leicester police.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 24, 2021
  • #275
Very happy if everyone involved is banned from the stadium for 3 years. They are not football fans just common thugs
 
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Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Oct 24, 2021
  • #276
The trouble in the 70’s and 80’s did affect the crowds, but it was like comparing apples and pears to the bits yesterday.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 24, 2021
  • #277
David O'Day said:
Is the copper who was stood 5 yards behind hm and did nothing as he was too scared to to move going to be dealt with?

That old bill rep needs to be fucking hammered into the ground next fans forum
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Yep they need to give some answers but don’t forget who’s to blame here. Hundreds of grown men who can’t control their shit
 
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Irish Sky Blue

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  • Oct 24, 2021
  • #278
Greggs said:
So hooliganism is a new thing? Never stopped me or any other person on here following us 30 years ago. People are just far too soft. FAR FAR worse things going on in the world that a pathetic scrap up the football. Open your eyes mate
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You need to look back at the late eighties, have a look at the average gates of even the top teams. Football was on its knees and one of the biggest contributing factors was the type of moronic behaviour lots of us witnessed yesterday. We were trying to leave after the game yesterday with my 6 year old granddaughter but couldn’t walk around the fence because of the morons on the hill. It’s nothing to do with the football and I would think that what they saw yesterday will make some people wonder do they want to come and watch again. We’ll be losing the decent fans but keeping the idiots.
 
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Frank Sidebottom

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  • Oct 24, 2021
  • #279
JimmyHillsbeard said:
am I the only who cringes when we sing much “we want to go home” at away games?
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Yeah that and the Coventry is wonderful one.
Can't grumble too much though as I used to sing them myself 10-15 years ago. But we all grow up eventually.
 

clint van damme

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  • Oct 24, 2021
  • #280
Irish Sky Blue said:
You need to look back at the late eighties, have a look at the average gates of even the top teams. Football was on its knees and one of the biggest contributing factors was the type of moronic behaviour lots of us witnessed yesterday. We were trying to leave after the game yesterday with my 6 year old granddaughter but couldn’t walk around the fence because of the morons on the hill. It’s nothing to do with the football and I would think that what they saw yesterday will make some people wonder do they want to come and watch again. We’ll be losing the decent fans but keeping the idiots.
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I'm not condoning yesterday but it was nothing like the 80s, not even close thankfully.
 
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