Match Thread Coventry City vs Rochdale Match Thread - Saturday 1st Sep (5 Viewers)

dazed&confused

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He has to go if there is no improvement . We will be left a hill to climb to survive relegation with a team half full of Biamou ability cash raiding useless talent .

Any new manager a big ask. No doubt the MR lovin team will appear talking about stability . The solution is to get someone who knows what they are doing .

Completely agree. I think Russell Slade is available and he could probably start sometime this week. It might be harder to tempt Mark Venus away from Blackburn, but with the right offer he might be willing to get on board the good ship Relegation.
 

Grendel

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Completely agree. I think Russell Slade is available and he could probably start sometime this week. It might be harder to tempt Mark Venus away from Blackburn, but with the right offer he might be willing to get on board the good ship Relegation.

So you’d have not relieved Strachan or Thorn from their duties when they were crashing towards relegation?
 

BackRoomRummermill

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Completely agree. I think Russell Slade is available and he could probably start sometime this week. It might be harder to tempt Mark Venus away from Blackburn, but with the right offer he might be willing to get on board the good ship Relegation.

Your trying to be amusing and clever but it’s backfired as they both shit managers and even they have achieved more than MR at Coventry in L1 , they were not at the helm when we were relagated . FACT

Continue your persona , dazed and confused
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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Watched Robins interview after the game. Said 1 or 2 players fitness levels are not up to standard and we’ve got to make changes in the game because of it. Looking at subs on Saturday..Andreu and Shipley?

Also wasn’t happy with Andreu for their goal
 

thekidfromstrettoncamp

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Points from some of "Irish Sky Blue"s monologues post 587 "luck" from memory I don't remember us walking away with the first leg when we got a penalty a lucky 1 from where I sat Baylis going away from goal got a slight touch and went down given against us and there would have been uproar post 587 1 point less than we have ,Bury had the same as them and went down. Bad starts don't always mean bad finishes but they do make it harder . Post 600 if he did not know enough about the first 4 where has he been , "late arrivals" his business was done early except Chaplin . Post 636 He has put together not is putting together we are 6 games in and even yesterday I still cannot see a proper game plan we look good till they sorted their problems out then it was pretty even .I noticed you saying about his win record somewhere it is 35 from 77 if we lose next week it will be less than 45% about the same as the others you quoted and his are all done.
 

thekidfromstrettoncamp

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S T P if players fitness is a question why are they being played according to some on here he has 2 GOOD players for every position why is he playing unfit players .I also was not happy with Andreu at both ends . I except him to be dropped for the next game Like I've said before what do they do in training ? Certain players don't even know if they are offside If the players are not carrying out his wishes ie marking why are they in the team?
 

NortonSkyBlue

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Points from some of "Irish Sky Blue"s monologues post 587 "luck" from memory I don't remember us walking away with the first leg when we got a penalty a lucky 1 from where I sat Baylis going away from goal got a slight touch and went down given against us and there would have been uproar post 587 1 point less than we have ,Bury had the same as them and went down. Bad starts don't always mean bad finishes but they do make it harder . Post 600 if he did not know enough about the first 4 where has he been , "late arrivals" his business was done early except Chaplin . Post 636 He has put together not is putting together we are 6 games in and even yesterday I still cannot see a proper game plan we look good till they sorted their problems out then it was pretty even .I noticed you saying about his win record somewhere it is 35 from 77 if we lose next week it will be less than 45% about the same as the others you quoted and his are all done.
Cant be bothered to trawl for stats but I am pretty confident that Slade had a win record in the teens not 45%
 

Irish Sky Blue

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Points from some of "Irish Sky Blue"s monologues post 587 "luck" from memory I don't remember us walking away with the first leg when we got a penalty a lucky 1 from where I sat Baylis going away from goal got a slight touch and went down given against us and there would have been uproar post 587 1 point less than we have ,Bury had the same as them and went down. Bad starts don't always mean bad finishes but they do make it harder . Post 600 if he did not know enough about the first 4 where has he been , "late arrivals" his business was done early except Chaplin . Post 636 He has put together not is putting together we are 6 games in and even yesterday I still cannot see a proper game plan we look good till they sorted their problems out then it was pretty even .I noticed you saying about his win record somewhere it is 35 from 77 if we lose next week it will be less than 45% about the same as the others you quoted and his are all done.
Over a 46 game season we finished 6th, one place inside the play off positions. How, after 46 games, could that be lucky? Surely luck would have evened itself out over that many games? I saw all but two games last season and I never came away from any game feeling we were lucky to get the result we did. Indeed the opposite was true on a few occasions as I felt we didn’t get the result our performances deserved. I would consider it unlucky to lose possibly your best two players through season ending injuries within weeks of each other.
Over the two ties against Notts County there were many incidents that both sets of fans could point to and say we were unlucky there. I agree, I don’t think it was a penalty. In the same game McNulty hits the post and Grimmer is hampered by a water logged pitch in failing to make the clearance that lead to their goal. The fact is we dominated both semi final legs and the final. Nothing lucky about that.
Of the players brought in who have played in the team only Brown, Ogogo, Mason and Allassani were here for pre season. Ogogo was injured for a lot of that time. Hiwula, Bakayoko and Thomas arrived days before the season started or after the season had started. Chaplin has been the key signing of the summer and has only just arrived so I would stand by the “completing the team” comment. You don’t think having those four injured players out makes a difference to preparation? Willis played about 20 minutes of pre season football at WBA the week before the season started, we were missing our No 1 goalkeeper and Kelly and Jones have still not kicked a ball for us, but none of this has an effect?
With regard to his win ratio, even if we lose next week and even if his win ratio falls to 45% (which ignores his 50% rating in his first spell), he will still, on win ratio, be our most successful league manager ever. The win ratio stats have to be considered in the light of the fact that in both spells he had to turn around a team on dire losing runs. We lost the first three games of his second spell for instance. So you would like to get rid of a manager with these statistics in the hope that we will over turn nearly 100 years of league football history and find someone better? And this only 6 games into a new season after promotion.
We will have to agree to disagree.
 

Irish Sky Blue

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He has to go if there is no improvement . We will be left a hill to climb to survive relegation with a team half full of Biamou ability cash raiding useless talent .

Any new manager a big ask. No doubt the MR lovin team will appear talking about stability . The solution is to get someone who knows what they are doing .
Considering Biamou scored 9 goals in his debut season including two in the game that got us to Wembley and was a key player during those run in games I am sure you would agree, particularly as you posted after his first goal for us last season “how pleased you were for the lad”, that a team half full of Biamou talent should be pretty good.
 

Irish Sky Blue

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Rubbish - take Gordon Milne out then show me the stats
Managers from 1958 to 2003 in order are; Frith, Hill, Cantwell, Milne, Sexton, Gould, McKay, Sillett, Butcher, Howe, Gould, Neal, Atkinson and Strachan.That’s 14 managers in 45 years.If you divide the number of managers into that time span it gives each manager an average of between 3 and 4 years. (apologies not 4 to 5 as I said above). You can’t take Milne out of the stats to help your argument! Hill, Cantwell, and Strachan all had five years or more while Frith and Sillett were also in post for a substantial time.
 

Grendel

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Considering Biamou scored 9 goals in his debut season including two in the game that got us to Wembley and was a key player during those run in games I am sure you would agree, particularly as you posted after his first goal for us last season “how pleased you were for the lad”, that a team half full of Biamou talent should be pretty good.

He scored 5 league goals and from memory only 2 inside the penalty area - he was a poor signing and offering a contract extension was beyond stupid
 

Grendel

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Managers from 1958 to 2003 in order are; Frith, Hill, Cantwell, Milne, Sexton, Gould, McKay, Sillett, Butcher, Howe, Gould, Neal, Atkinson and Strachan.That’s 14 managers in 45 years.If you divide the number of managers into that time span it gives each manager an average of between 3 and 4 years. (apologies not 4 to 5 as I said above). You can’t take Milne out of the stats to help your argument! Hill, Cantwell, and Strachan all had five years or more while Frith and Sillett were also in post for a substantial time.

It’s irrelevant because managers in the modern era hardly ever remain that long.

Managers now last a lot less and you still will not acknowledge two times we retained managers account for 66% of our relegations in the last half a century
 

Irish Sky Blue

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The point is simple. We were relegated two of those three times as we remained loyal to managers who should have been fired

In the 80’s we fired managers prior to Sillett far more than that and survived. The average Ccfc manager lasts 80 games in a job
That average is probably true post top flight relegation but not before. If you look at the managers during that stable period from 1958 to 2003 lots of managers were given the chance to overcome dodgy spells. Noel Cantwell’s team survived on the last day of his first season in charge before going into another season where they were in danger of going down even after their season had finished (Leicester who eventually went down had 5 or 6 games to play when our season was finished). The board at the time stood by him and in his third season he got us to 6th in the first division and into Europe. Gordon Milne, my favourite City manager (and possibly yours?) often had to endure, as you will remember, the whole ground ringing with “Milne Out” chants during frequent relegation battles. Jimmy Hill stood by him and he went on to produce possibly our best ever team (the Fergie, Wallace team), and later the team that got to the League Cup semi final. You can make stats fit whatever argument you want but it is pretty hard to argue against the fact that in our most successful era as a club we had far less managerial turmoil.
Robins should be left alone alone to get on with his job.Who is going to come in and do any better?
 

Irish Sky Blue

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It’s irrelevant because managers in the modern era hardly ever remain that long.

Managers now last a lot less and you still will not acknowledge two times we retained managers account for 66% of our relegations in the last half a century
Depends what you mean by the modern era. Since top flight relegation we have had a manager a year in probably what you would say is the modern era and that left us in the fourth division. Sacking managers doesn’t work.
 

Grendel

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Depends what you mean by the modern era. Since top flight relegation we have had a manager a year in probably what you would say is the modern era and that left us in the fourth division. Sacking managers doesn’t work.

We got relegated twice when we didn’t sack managers....
 

Sky Blue Harry H

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We got relegated twice when we didn’t sack managers....

Regardless, it would be idiotic to consider sacking Robins, send an awful message to the players, fly in the face of 'Rise together' and result in a new manager coming in with a set of players that he couldn't 'change' until January, due to the transfer rules - and with little/no budget to do that. (end of unnecessarily long, badly punctuated sentence!)
 

dazed&confused

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Your trying to be amusing and clever but it’s backfired as they both shit managers and even they have achieved more than MR at Coventry in L1 , they were not at the helm when we were relagated . FACT

Continue your persona , dazed and confused

I wasn't TRYING to be amusing, l was BEING amusing. FACT.
 

Irish Sky Blue

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We got relegated twice when we didn’t sack managers....
As shown above, we didn’t get relegated on many occasions when we did stick by managers who then went on to achieve things this club had never achieved before. Last season your “ Taxi for Robins” thread was to all intents and purposes a call for him to be sacked. He went on to get us promoted. If he is given the chance, I believe we will do well this season too, with another challenge for the play offs not out of the question.
 

thekidfromstrettoncamp

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Irish Sky Blue In my earlier post I did not call for Robin to go like you inferred but will say this so far this season no sign of a plan, we cannot change if situations dictate. We have players who repeatedly cannot tell when they are offside. We cannot hit the goal 7 games played average 4 shots on target per game, 1 goal ,other than that everything is alright. I really do hope Conor Chaplin comes off because if not I think we will struggle never mind the play offs.
 

Hullinho87

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We got relegated twice when we didn’t sack managers....

Just out of interest ..
Without knowing what is going to happen of course ..

.. what % split would you say you are in your mind of:

a) wanting to be proven right about Robins and he gets sacked and

b) hoping to being wrong and we get 7 points from the next 4 games?

your post’s are reading as if you are bordering on hoping we lose the next 4 so he does get sacked.

I could be wrong though, it is hard to judge words on a screen.
 

Grendel

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Just out of interest ..
Without knowing what is going to happen of course ..

.. what % split would you say you are in your mind of:

a) wanting to be proven right about Robins and he gets sacked and

b) hoping to being wrong and we get 7 points from the next 4 games?

your post’s are reading as if you are bordering on hoping we lose the next 4 so he does get sacked.

I could be wrong though, it is hard to judge words on a screen.

I’m not hoping for scenario b no but I am saying there has to be a point soon when results improve or the rot will set in
 

Irish Sky Blue

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Irish Sky Blue In my earlier post I did not call for Robin to go like you inferred but will say this so far this season no sign of a plan, we cannot change if situations dictate. We have players who repeatedly cannot tell when they are offside. We cannot hit the goal 7 games played average 4 shots on target per game, 1 goal ,other than that everything is alright. I really do hope Conor Chaplin comes off because if not I think we will struggle never mind the play offs.
Apologies if that is the case. I will still disagree with you about the plan however as I think everything worked like clockwork in the first half on Saturday until we came to putting the ball in the net. We dominated the game and the possession playing, in my opinion, good exciting attacking football. I think it is hard to blame the manager for the amount of shots and headers that were put just wide of the posts. Robin’s plan as far as I could see worked. It is surely up to the players to put the finishing touch to the excellent moves the team created.
 

KG7

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The first paragraph was nonsense so I gave up after that.

We didn’t in the first half miss chances - all were speculative long range efforts or clarke Harris trying to put power on two powder puff crosses.

Robins has made a decision to sign clarke Harris, Hiwula, Chaplin and Bakayako even before Biamou was injured but would only ever play 1. That is nonsense.

Yes he was outdone as the only reason we gained traction in the first half is they weee exposed on their left which was addressed.

They had the better actual chances and worked the keeper harder than us.

We will go down if he persists in believing a player whose only ever achieved in a poor Scottish league needs a formation building around him.

I think 4-2-3-1 is Robins’ preferred formation - don’t think it is anything to do with Andreu. He played it when he was here first time around and it was also his preferred formation last season before we signed Andreu and after we got injured, until he realised we were better with Biamou and McNulty up front


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cc84cov

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I think 4-2-3-1 is Robins’ preferred formation - don’t think it is anything to do with Andreu. He played it when he was here first time around and it was also his preferred formation last season before we signed Andreu and after we got injured, until he realised we were better with Biamou and McNulty up front


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Who was his front 4 back then ?
 

thekidfromstrettoncamp

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Irish Sky Blue I must admit Saturday first half was the best I've seen so far this season but once they sorted themselves out at half time I think they were in control we did not counter their move "no plan B".The wayward shot and headers is a recurring theme Saturday 16 2 on target Blackpool 8 0 on target are the 2 worst examples . Any blame I put on the manager for this is he oversees the team and if you watch the warm up's the shooting is no better in them and there is no pressure then . At least 1 header from J C H on Saturday was far easier to score than , the keeper had committed himself all he had to do was a straight head it in the direction he was facing instead he tried to flick it. As for apologies too polite by half.
 

Irish Sky Blue

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Irish Sky Blue I must admit Saturday first half was the best I've seen so far this season but once they sorted themselves out at half time I think they were in control we did not counter their move "no plan B".The wayward shot and headers is a recurring theme Saturday 16 2 on target Blackpool 8 0 on target are the 2 worst examples . Any blame I put on the manager for this is he oversees the team and if you watch the warm up's the shooting is no better in them and there is no pressure then . At least 1 header from J C H on Saturday was far easier to score than , the keeper had committed himself all he had to do was a straight head it in the direction he was facing instead he tried to flick it. As for apologies too polite by half.
I just think that the fact we conceded in the first minute of the second half changed things completely. We looked shell shocked for ten minutes when they created another couple of chances. It also allowed them to sit back, frustrate, time waste etc.We never had the fluency second half that we did in the first but the fact that we still made three or four good chances still gives me hope. It is true that even last season, once we went behind we found it hard to come back, often because other teams would sit back and frustrate. It is something that needs to improve.
 

thekidfromstrettoncamp

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The goal a certain player switched off causing that. He should be dropped for that alone. Unprofessional he is paid good money and should concentrate for all the game sorry but that's the way I see it We never had the fluency because they stopped Grimmer's runs but the management didn't seem to see that and react themselves . The sitting back all teams do that " what we have we hold" simply play out or waste time . Watch Burge when we have the lead taking his time over a goal kick . I'm not without hope myself but things need to change quick as far as I am concerned.
 

TewkesburySkyBlue

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Why has no one else but me mentioned Saturdays appalling referee in all this?
Yes we blew if after losing concentration to allow them to score but what followed from the man in black was truly abysmal.
 

NortonSkyBlue

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Why has no one else but me mentioned Saturdays appalling referee in all this?
Yes we blew if after losing concentration to allow them to score but what followed from the man in black was truly abysmal.
The referee was giving strange decisions, mainly against Allasani, but he was not the reason we were beaten.
Thomas, JCH and Andreu were profligate and Rochdale started each half wide awake.
 

Otis

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Yep, Clive Eakin on CWR was totally baffled by the freekicks given against Allassani.
 

lifeskyblue

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I wasn’t surprised by some of the ref’s decisions against allisani. Too often he went into challenges with his hands raised ( in a defensive manner) and appeared to push the defender. Although he made minimal contact he must learn to keep his arms and hands down when challenging for the ball.


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Hullinho87

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He’s a conservative manager.
You either have to back him as that or not.
Backing him requires a great deal of patience, a really great deal!
It was the same for the first 10 to 15 games last season.

The two biggest issues with this style, is as you point out, that it is very hard to adapt mid game as it’s not built around fluidity & that if you play like that and lose games narrowly then patience gets in shorter and shorter supply ... about where we are now!

Personally, I think tactically it will come good against many other managers in this league as the longer MR persist’s with the style, the more the players will get used to it .. 442 maybe our best option in this style though as well as taking our chances of course ...

.. my main view is that we will be hard to beat once we get in front - before you shout at me on this point, as it’s it not what we have done this season at all, I am reasonably confident that the full backs pushing on will make us hard to play against. We do need to get used to this as an approach though, more crosses, less long balls.
I do not think MR is specifically directing the long ball scenario’s, I think this is bi-product of over forcing the conservatism in trying to force the game(s).
Building a team around Andreu though is a no go right now, I agree with you on that.

Either way, I am completely aware that this style, without results will cause frustrating reactions.

I will however, again personally, stick with this style and MR for a little longer yet.

My pre-season expectation was mid-table and I still think we will achieve that under my mate Robins.

*Just a quick bump as a reminder to keep cool
 

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