Martin180
Well-Known Member
Planet cam is a weird place
Planet cam is a weird place"Intelligent pressing "
I'm actually confused at why you think that's so funny. Pressing for pressing's sake is pointless."Intelligent pressing "
Don't you think robins or adi would have pulled him to the side and told him to stop pointlessly pressing after 4 years ?I'm actually confused at why you think that's so funny. Pressing for pressing's sake is pointless.
Come on now , someone who sits 30-40 yards away from him for 90 minutes once a week surely has a better idea of what he's doing right or wrongDon't you think robins or adi would have pulled him to the side and told him to stop pointlessly pressing after 4 years ?
Weird seeing burden in the same sentence as O'Hare again!It will be a different story when everyone's fit, especially O'Hare but for now the burden is with the strikers.
It needs to be done, you can't let the opposition just have possesion but we can't press higher up the pitch in packs with the players we currently have available.
Don't you think robins or adi would have pulled him to the side and told him to stop pointlessly pressing after 4 years ?
Do you think our manager is thick ?
Adi 'he's pressing again gaffer, why don't you drop him?'
MR 'No Adi, I'm going to keep playing him until he learns not to do it'
Adi 'what about the gammon gaffer? They wont be happy when he stops'
MR ' I'll cross that bridge when I come to it'.
So you think Mark robins is not asking godden to press the back line and keeper as its pointless , he's doing it in vain to please the gammons
Warra logic
Robins clearly thinks it adds something which is why he keeps playing, but I don’t think it does.Don't you think robins or adi would have pulled him to the side and told him to stop pointlessly pressing after 4 years ?
Do you think our manager is thick ?
Completely agree; pressing in isolation is pointless.I don’t think he’s doing it to please anyone, and I agree he’s doing it because Robins has told him, but I don’t think it’s effective pressing with just one striker. The opposition simply pass the ball to an unmarked defender and then Godden just moves to that other defender, repeat over and over.
We should either press as a team or have our striker in a position ready to counter, waiting for that through ball to be played. Currently we’re doing neither, we’re chasing the ball rather than winning it and that means our strikers are never in a position to run onto a well timed through ball. We’re always standing in front of their defence rather than waiting on the shoulder ready to run onto a ball. A mix of both doesn’t work, you either press as a unit in 2’s or 3’s or you try to win the ball in midfield and have your strikers ready to run. It’s fine applying a bit of pressure here and there but to do it constantly whilst giving up that on-the-shoulder position doesn’t help us. Whatever Godden wants to do is clearly up to him, I just think he’s wasting a shit ton of energy running around like a headless chicken whilst never winning the ball.
I don’t think he’s doing it to please anyone, and I agree he’s doing it because Robins has told him, but I don’t think it’s effective pressing with just one striker. The opposition simply pass the ball to an unmarked defender and then Godden just moves to that other defender, repeat over and over.
We should either press as a team or have our striker in a position ready to counter, waiting for that through ball to be played. Currently we’re doing neither, we’re chasing the ball rather than winning it and that means our strikers are never in a position to run onto a well timed through ball. We’re always standing in front of their defence rather than waiting on the shoulder ready to run onto a ball. A mix of both doesn’t work, you either press as a unit in 2’s or 3’s or you try to win the ball in midfield and have your strikers ready to run. It’s fine applying a bit of pressure here and there but to do it constantly whilst giving up that on-the-shoulder position doesn’t help us.
Robins clearly thinks it adds something which is why he keeps playing, but I don’t think it does.
Not gonna bother continuing trying to explain.
I watch Mo salah chase and Harry defences all the time ..the objective is not always to win back the ball , we can choose to press to delay an attack or change the course of an oppositions next ball .. matty godden chasing down defenders to force a pass is basic striker press 101 .. Vik used to do exactly the same and I never saw anybody question the need for it ??
Again I ask the question , if godden wasn't pressing as required then wouldn't the manager have pulled him over and corrected him ?
Actually I will continue because you’ve just compared Matt Godden to Mo SalahI watch Mo salah chase and Harry defences all the time ..the objective is not always to win back the ball , we can choose to press to delay an attack or change the course of an oppositions next ball .. matty godden chasing down defenders to force a pass is basic striker press 101 .. Vik used to do exactly the same and I never saw anybody question the need for it ??
Again I ask the question , if godden wasn't pressing as required then wouldn't the manager have pulled him over and corrected him ?
We rarely press in isolation , godden often tries to press a keeper into hurrying his kick/ passCompletely agree; pressing in isolation is pointless.
Have you thought about emailing Robins expressing your concerns ?Robins clearly thinks it adds something which is why he keeps playing, but I don’t think it does.
Not gonna bother continuing trying to explain.
Actually I will continue because you’ve just compared Matt Godden to Mo Salah
Never mind the fact Liverpool play a completely different tactical system to us, or that we’re clearly playing slightly different to last year, it must be good for everyone because Salah does it!
I was told in my younger more stubborn days that there comes a time to stop diggingNot a single part of my statement is comparing mo salah and matty godden as players .. you have spoken alot of waffle today ..as per
Joking darling
I completely get that and I realise he’s only doing what Robins is asking of him but I don’t think pressing should be fruitless, if we did it as a team then fair enough but I don’t feel like we play that way. We sort of get close to the ball but never press in 2’s or 3’s, it’s a half-press, in which case we might as well not press at all.
Godden running around chasing the ball doesn’t add anything to our game, it just tires him out quicker. I’m not saying we shouldn’t press but if we do press then we should press as a team, not just Godden on his own. If we want to play that way then clearly Godden should keep his place as he’s good at pressing but if we don’t want to press then I feel Wright and Simms should start. I feel like it’s quite a mixed bag of pressing and not-pressing atm.
I know a lot of posters want to see Simms and Wright partnered together given the fees paid but both lack experience of the championship. Playing alongside Godden will help both adapt and while he's scoring goals will take the pressure off them from certain sections of our fanbaseMatty godden has to start right now and I’m a big critic of his
his work rate right now and knowledge of the system is priceless with a stretched squad
Is it though ? This forum is full of whoppers isn't itYou know I'm not Godden's biggest fan, but suggesting he presses too much is a new low for this forum!
It's like we don't train as well, so they never get a chance unless it's in a game!I know a lot of posters want to see Simms and Wright partnered together given the fees paid but both lack experience of the championship. Playing alongside Godden will help both adapt and while he's scoring goals will take the pressure off them from certain sections of our fanbase
James Madison was shit as wellI still laugh at my mate who argued black and blue with me in the car that biamou and bakayoko were better strikers .. both are having exceptional careers whilst one is scoring in the championship still ..
Coventry fans have always loved shit players
I'm sure Jacob murphy looks back at our fans that crucified him and laughs as he plays against AC Milan and PSG in the CL
Yeah I get that and I want to see them together sooner rather than later , I was just trying to be pragmatic as to them reason we haven't seen them together in a game yetIt's like we don't train as well, so they never get a chance unless it's in a game!
If it's exactly what he's being asked to do why isn't it happening all game? Would expect to see the keeper chased down multiple times in first half alone wouldn't you? In injury time when rest of team is falling back to park bus seems an odd time for robins to trigger it that's all.That's exactly what pressing is, it's often a fruitless task.
But he's doing exactly what Robins wants him to do.
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