Didn't realise you could go down for that long with a charge of affray, did they have previous?
Ben stokes could be in more trouble than I thought!
I think the NT lad was the one who threw the glass and has the longest sentence, 16months I think.That's the thing isn't it, the people who arranged it and brought the trouble there won't be too popular either. Did they both get sent down?
However, you're not allowed to chase someone down and give them a kicking, even if they've just assaulted you or one of your friends. At that point you're clearly not under threat and therefore you don't need to defend yourself. Affray is a more serious offence than assault, as I recall, because it relates to the likely effect on innocent bystanders.
I'd be amazed if anyone who just pushed over someone who was clearly threatening them would even get to court, let alone be sent down, but the police do get it wrong. It would be interesting to know what the evidence in front of the court was...
I was inside when it happened.
I can't remember now, maybe.did that one go to a retrial first?
You can't miss him !!Wearing a Black jacket on the day?
should have downloaded some child porn, they'd have got a suspended sentence.
That's a belter,out of Otis' league here!!Blimey wingy, didn't know you'd done time....
If they want a fight fair enough but not in a social club.
Plenty of waste ground around and do what the Russians and Poles do, beat the crap out of each other on fields miles from anywhere. But the lads involved at the Buffs never knew anything about a prearranged scrap. I remember in the 70's many a scrap in the park next to the ground, but if you were there it was because you knew it was going to kick off, so that's the difference !
Nah. They're all dead!With your brothers mates by any chance ???
I’m always in two minds with stuff like this. On the one hand, don’t get involved as it’s a load of old nonsense. On the other hand if a glass come flying at me or anyone I’m with there is going to be a response. Easy to say don’t chase them down after and pile in, but in the moment it’s very likely to happen.
This seems as though it’s a classic making an example of football supporters. As has been said, if this happened exactly the same in town I highly doubt time would have been as harsh, if at all.
Used to see it every weekend in town and people would hardly ever got arrested for it let alone sent down.
I dont tend to get hammered at football but things like this are a bit offputting. Could potentially end up going out for a couple of beers, somebody else kicks off and you end up being sent down for it.
If you were sent down Nick, one things for sure, it would reduce the arguments on here by at least 90%...
Trust me mate, it happens. As I say, my mate was in court for the Portsmouth trouble and I was in court watching. Some lad got put down for pushing someone, he didn't push them over, he just pushed them with one hand!
You can't miss him !!
This pisses me off so much. The summer before this one me and a couple of mates got jumped out of nowhere on the way home from a night out. I was knocked unconscious instantly as I didn't even see them coming before one bloke smashed me in the face. I was stamped on the head when I was on the floor and the next thing I know I am in Walsgrave.
One of my mates got the reg plate of the van they drove off in, and we had two witnesses, but it still took the police one month to track them down and then asked them to make a voluntary statement. They got their story together and 24hours later came into the cop shop and told them that we started it. The police then dropped the case.
Here someone pushed someone over who was going to bottle someone and they are the ones that get sent down. What the fuck??
It makes you lose all faith, it really does.
I'm sorry to hear what happened to you mate, genuinely, but I wouldn't assume that anyone involved here got sent down for just pushing someone over who was threatening them with a bottle....
Much appreciated mate.
Sure, I don't actually really know what happened in all honesty. Just heard soundbites and it sounds a little bit off to me.
C'mon Houch, don't leave us hanging - few more details needed. Win, lose or draw?I'm coming up to 65 and still love a good scrap! Had three in the last year!
Hooligan! :smuggrin:I'm coming up to 65 and still love a good scrap! Had three in the last year!
This pisses me off so much. The summer before this one me and a couple of mates got jumped out of nowhere on the way home from a night out. I was knocked unconscious instantly as I didn't even see them coming before one bloke smashed me in the face. I was stamped on the head when I was on the floor and the next thing I know I am in Walsgrave.
One of my mates got the reg plate of the van they drove off in, and we had two witnesses, but it still took the police one month to track them down and then asked them to make a voluntary statement. They got their story together and 24hours later came into the cop shop and told them that we started it. The police then dropped the case.
Here someone pushed someone over who was going to bottle someone and they are the ones that get sent down. What the fuck??
It makes you lose all faith, it really does.
Not conkers! :emoji_laughing:C'mon Houch, don't leave us hanging - few more details needed. Win, lose or draw?
And did it really take three fights before you finally got clarity on the rules of conkers?
I just stand up for myself Malaka! :emoji_grin:Hooligan! :smuggrin:
Not conkers! :emoji_laughing:
The first two were with cyclists that ride along the pavement near where I live. There's a ferkin' "No Cycling" sign as well but they still abuse the law. I've almost been mown down on a number of occasions and now when these lycra-clad twats come along, I get in their way and shout "Use the f**kin' ROAD!!" (or similar pleasantries!) Two occasions, these twats got off their bikes to "have a go" at me, but both times, they ended up on the paving slabs! One even said to me as he tried to get up, "Jesus mate, I didn't expect that!" He actually apologised and took his bike to the road and road off. The last time was just after Christmas (a couple of months ago). A new neighbour's "boyfriend" was allowing their Staffy to shit under my front room window, so when I caught the bloke just leaving it, I went after him. He was a big c**t and he thought that as he was younger than me, he'd scare me away! Ha! Wrong! He went down like a sack of spuds and I told him to his face as he was lying on the ground, that if he allows his dog to shit again, I'd rub it in his face after I'd posted it through his letter box. His Staffy was just wagging his tail all the time! I've not seen any more dog shit since, either!
Well I wouldn't want to be the one who arranged it if facebook is anything to go by.That's the thing isn't it, the people who arranged it and brought the trouble there won't be too popular either. Did they both get sent down?
Not conkers! :emoji_laughing:
The first two were with cyclists that ride along the pavement near where I live. There's a ferkin' "No Cycling" sign as well but they still abuse the law. I've almost been mown down on a number of occasions and now when these lycra-clad twats come along, I get in their way and shout "Use the f**kin' ROAD!!" (or similar pleasantries!) Two occasions, these twats got off their bikes to "have a go" at me, but both times, they ended up on the paving slabs! One even said to me as he tried to get up, "Jesus mate, I didn't expect that!" He actually apologised and took his bike to the road and road off. The last time was just after Christmas (a couple of months ago). A new neighbour's "boyfriend" was allowing their Staffy to shit under my front room window, so when I caught the bloke just leaving it, I went after him. He was a big c**t and he thought that as he was younger than me, he'd scare me away! Ha! Wrong! He went down like a sack of spuds and I told him to his face as he was lying on the ground, that if he allows his dog to shit again, I'd rub it in his face after I'd posted it through his letter box. His Staffy was just wagging his tail all the time! I've not seen any more dog shit since, either!
If he alone or as part a group used or threatened violence against another individual or group, then that might happen. That's pretty common in these situations when you think about it.
With all due respect though, the court balances the evidence presented so it's not just down to the police. Just pushing someone on its own wouldn't be likely to result in any offence serious enough to merit a custodial sentence, imho.
If he was threatening to do worse though, or was part of a group that was, then that might explain it. I'm not trying to make a call on the rights or wrong of this individual case here though mate, just working through how it can happen. Best advice I can give to anyone is don't get involved, no one gets arrested for walking away...
Nah. They're all dead!
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