Matty_CCFC
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So how many actually genuinely turned up for this protest, do we have any photos?
FFS! This is why people are so vitriolic on this place! Are you saying that Bryan Richardson is a max, 0.01% responsible for where we are???? Man alive....
So how many actually genuinely turned up for this protest, do we have any photos?
So how many actually genuinely turned up for this protest, do we have any photos?
For me we have to put aside anything that happened prior to SISU taking over. We unfortunately can't go back in time and change anything and those involved are highly unlikely to be brought to account now or have any means of influencing our current situation.
When SISU took over they either did due diligence and took over knowing the situation or they didn't do due diligence (or didn't do it well enough), in either scenario from the day they took over they took responsibility and their share of the blame. Of course the council, Higgs and ACL are all currently involved and can shoulder there share of the blame but I don't see how going back and placing blame on the likes of Richardson is going to do us any good.
And how is finger pointing and saying sisu didn't do due dillegence going to do us any good?
More than the number who went to fl headquarter that's for sure.
How is that for sure? Were you at both?
He hasn't got a clue. Like 'limoncello' and his '3' people at the SISU HQ protest. Which I note is still unqualified. Just insults aimed in lieu of substantiation
No good whatsoever Grenduffy....but if they had of done, we wouldn't be playing home games 35 miles away, would we???And how is finger pointing and saying sisu didn't do due dillegence going to do us any good?
He hasn't got a clue. Like 'limoncello' and his '3' people at the SISU HQ protest. Which I note is still unqualified. Just insults aimed in lieu of substantiation
You of all people can't lecture anyone when it comes to insults.
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For me we have to put aside anything that happened prior to SISU taking over. We unfortunately can't go back in time and change anything and those involved are highly unlikely to be brought to account now or have any means of influencing our current situation.
When SISU took over they either did due diligence and took over knowing the situation or they didn't do due diligence (or didn't do it well enough), in either scenario from the day they took over they took responsibility and their share of the blame. Of course the council, Higgs and ACL are all currently involved and can shoulder there share of the blame but I don't see how going back and placing blame on the likes of Richardson is going to do us any good.
But you can't do that CD....if Richardson etc hadn't overspent, would SISU have needed to come in?
Otis summed it up nicely in another post...previous owners if anything, were worse that SISU...SISUs however have made the biggest mistake by taking us out of Cov. We were all 'sucked in' by previous regimes overspending and giving us what some could term 'front page' signings. Admittedly at the time, I was loving the fact that we were signing the likes of Hadji, Chippo, Keane etc and being linked with the likes of Lalas who had a great world cup for the US.
However, if we weren't so frivoulous with our spending in that era, SISU wouldn't be here. Fact. There's no way you can simply put that aside when it's one of the main factors in our demise.
WM
Whilst that's true, many clubs overspent. Many entered administration to shed themselves of that historical liability. In retrospect, we needed to enter administration to park historical debts and renegotiate the lease. Unpalatable though that might be, that's what was needed.
You can blame nobody other than our current owners for that not happening. If that would have happened when they arrived at the club, where would we be now? Not almost 40 miles away from our home, struggling at the bottom of the third division. That's my guess
2 points:
* I don't care about other clubs.
* So you can blame SISU for not putting us into administration but you cannot blame Richardson or McGinnity?? Why not?
Hypocrisy at it's clearist.....
WM
Basically because it's not SISU and thinking someone else might have a portion of blame makes people like MMM uncomfortable.
This may well still saddle the club with a long term debt that hinders the footballing investments.
2 points:
* I don't care about other clubs.
* So you can blame SISU for not putting us into administration but you cannot blame Richardson or McGinnity?? Why not?
Hypocrisy at it's clearist.....
WM
Basically because it's not SISU and thinking someone else might have a portion of blame makes people like MMM uncomfortable.
I'm sorry. That's just rubbish. We should have entered administration and changed the lease. The fact we didn't is solely the decision making of our current owners.
I simply cannot see what you are trying to argue?
Why didn't the past owners put us into admin and change the lease?
Why didn't the past owners put us into admin and change the lease?
It's not hypocritical. Firstly, other clubs performance is the way you judge whether our performance was been good enough. In comparison, it's obviously not. So, you may not care, but I do, as it's how we see if we're doing things right or not.
Previous owners have got it wrong. As they have at other clubs. The queston is, how have our owners compared in making a bad situation better or worse. That's not hypocrisy. It really isn't
As I've said in the past, the Club contacted ACL about renegotiation in December 2005. So it was an issue right from the get go.
Still, gold ole ACL. You gotta love 'em.
That's a Grendelesque question. I don't know. But it's what was needed. To argue against that now simply doesn't hold water.
We wouldn't have our current debt level, and could have changed the business model of the club over 5 years ago
Yup. Just remind me where the football club would have played football without them, can you?
No, you said, our owners are the only group that can take criticism for not putting us into administration. The truth of the matter is different to that statement. Previous owners could also have put us into administration....therefore SISU shouldn't be the only ones castigated for not putting us into administration.
Out of curiosity, why do you feel that BR or MM'G shouldn't take blame for not putting us into admin? Why just Sisu?
It isn't, you are saying it is solely SISU's fault we didn't do that. What was stopping past owners?
Surely that means both SISU and the past owners are at fault for not doing it?
This isn't me saying SISU are not guilty of anything either, just a bit confused.
And? That gave them a right to rip us off, did it?
What happened pre-SISU as the sole responsibility of that regime. What happened post-SISU is their sole responsibility. In that context, yes, it's all a consequence of their decision making.
If the club wasn't right for them, they shouldn't have bought it. If the business model was as unworkable as we are now told it was, they should have changed it.
It's like buying a house cheap because it's got rising damp, not dealing with it using the money you saved when buying it cheap; and then blaming the previous occupants for the rising damp when it falls down
No one has ever claimed previous administrations were perfect. Of course they weren't. They made terrible decisions. There, stated it again.
However, once in a bad state, like other clubs, our current owners have to take sole responsibility for the trajectory since they arrived.
Administration, and changing the lease would have put us in a totally different situation to that which now prevails.
Argue about the morality of it, by all means. That's a fair debate. But trying to not face up to the consequences of the net effect we are now living with simply doesn't hold water
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