Matty_CCFC
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So how many actually genuinely turned up for this protest, do we have any photos?
Council Protest (10 Viewers)
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chiefdave
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For me we have to put aside anything that happened prior to SISU taking over. We unfortunately can't go back in time and change anything and those involved are highly unlikely to be brought to account now or have any means of influencing our current situation.
When SISU took over they either did due diligence and took over knowing the situation or they didn't do due diligence (or didn't do it well enough), in either scenario from the day they took over they took responsibility and their share of the blame. Of course the council, Higgs and ACL are all currently involved and can shoulder there share of the blame but I don't see how going back and placing blame on the likes of Richardson is going to do us any good.
Grendel
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More than the number who went to fl headquarter that's for sure.
hill83
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There was an official looking photographer taking pictures of them on the steps. So it will probably be in the Coventry Bellylaugh tomorrow.
Please bare in mind my count was a quick glance and an estimate, so it could be anything from zero people to infinite people who were there.
But it was about 40, maximum.
I didn't take a photo because I was concentrating on my next bevvy.
Grendel
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And how is finger pointing and saying sisu didn't do due dillegence going to do us any good?
chiefdave
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I didn't say that, I said whatever they did at the point they took over from that point on they assumed responsibility.
skybluetony176
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How is that for sure? Were you at both?
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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He hasn't got a clue. Like 'limoncello' and his '3' people at the SISU HQ protest. Which I note is still unqualified. Just insults aimed in lieu of substantiation
Nick
Administrator
More than 3 to be fair at this one!
Although the only people making it a competition seem to be the ones opposing the Council protest.
Sky Blue Kid
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No good whatsoever Grenduffy....but if they had of done, we wouldn't be playing home games 35 miles away, would we???
torchomatic
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You of all people can't lecture anyone when it comes to insults.
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Mary_Mungo_Midge
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I agree, young Nick. So that's not his 'proof'. Wonder when I'll get it?
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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That's rubbish. Yes, I can be condescending, normally in response to others deserving it. However, you'll find more insults dished out in this one thread, than I'll dispense in a year. Difference being, you'll ignore it of others, and jump on anything that's mine. It's a skewed morality you often display
Skyblueweeman
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But you can't do that CD....if Richardson etc hadn't overspent, would SISU have needed to come in?
Otis summed it up nicely in another post...previous owners if anything, were worse that SISU...SISUs however have made the biggest mistake by taking us out of Cov. We were all 'sucked in' by previous regimes overspending and giving us what some could term 'front page' signings. Admittedly at the time, I was loving the fact that we were signing the likes of Hadji, Chippo, Keane etc and being linked with the likes of Lalas who had a great world cup for the US.
However, if we weren't so frivoulous with our spending in that era, SISU wouldn't be here. Fact. There's no way you can simply put that aside when it's one of the main factors in our demise.
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Mary_Mungo_Midge
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Whilst that's true, many clubs overspent. Many entered administration to shed themselves of that historical liability. In retrospect, we needed to enter administration to park historical debts and renegotiate the lease. Unpalatable though that might be, that's what was needed.
You can blame nobody other than our current owners for that not happening. If that would have happened when they arrived at the club, where would we be now? Not almost 40 miles away from our home, struggling at the bottom of the third division. That's my guess
Skyblueweeman
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2 points:
* I don't care about other clubs.
* So you can blame SISU for not putting us into administration but you cannot blame Richardson or McGinnity?? Why not?
Hypocrisy at it's clearist.....
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torchomatic
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Basically because it's not SISU and thinking someone else might have a portion of blame makes people like MMM uncomfortable.
Skyblueweeman
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Seems that way doesn't it...
stupot07
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Hinders footballing investment? Renting with no access to additional revenues hinders footballing investment as shown by our relegation season, our turnover being one of the lowest 3-4 despite having better attendances than 9 other clubs...
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Mary_Mungo_Midge
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It's not hypocritical. Firstly, other clubs performance is the way you judge whether our performance was been good enough. In comparison, it's obviously not. So, you may not care, but I do, as it's how we see if we're doing things right or not.
Previous owners have got it wrong. As they have at other clubs. The queston is, how have our owners compared in making a bad situation better or worse. That's not hypocrisy. It really isn't
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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I'm sorry. That's just rubbish. We should have entered administration and changed the lease. The fact we didn't is solely the decision making of our current owners.
I simply cannot see what you are trying to argue?
Nick
Administrator
Why didn't the past owners put us into admin and change the lease?
torchomatic
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As I've said in the past, the Club contacted ACL about renegotiation in December 2005. So it was an issue right from the get go.
Still, gold ole ACL. You gotta love 'em.
Still, gold ole ACL. You gotta love 'em.
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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That's a Grendelesque question. I don't know. But it's what was needed. To argue against that now simply doesn't hold water.
We wouldn't have our current debt level, and could have changed the business model of the club over 5 years ago
Skyblueweeman
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No, you said, our owners are the only group that can take criticism for not putting us into administration. The truth of the matter is different to that statement. Previous owners could also have put us into administration....therefore SISU shouldn't be the only ones castigated for not putting us into administration.
Out of curiosity, why do you feel that BR or MM'G shouldn't take blame for not putting us into admin? Why just Sisu?
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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Yup. Just remind me where the football club would have played football without them, can you?
Nick
Administrator
It isn't, you are saying it is solely SISU's fault we didn't do that. What was stopping past owners?
Surely that means both SISU and the past owners are at fault for not doing it?
This isn't me saying SISU are not guilty of anything either, just a bit confused.
torchomatic
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Mary_Mungo_Midge
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No one has ever claimed previous administrations were perfect. Of course they weren't. They made terrible decisions. There, stated it again.
However, once in a bad state, like other clubs, our current owners have to take sole responsibility for the trajectory since they arrived.
Administration, and changing the lease would have put us in a totally different situation to that which now prevails.
Argue about the morality of it, by all means. That's a fair debate. But trying to not face up to the consequences of the net effect we are now living with simply doesn't hold water
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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What happened pre-SISU as the sole responsibility of that regime. What happened post-SISU is their sole responsibility. In that context, yes, it's all a consequence of their decision making.
If the club wasn't right for them, they shouldn't have bought it. If the business model was as unworkable as we are now told it was, they should have changed it.
It's like buying a house cheap because it's got rising damp, not dealing with it using the money you saved when buying it cheap; and then blaming the previous occupants for the rising damp when it falls down
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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So much of a 'rip off' your mates at SISU didn't notice this glaring 'exploitation' in the due diligence process, eh? And you still can't bring yourself to criticise their take-over of the club?
How can you simultaneously hold both views?!?!?
Nick
Administrator
So you won't complain if the Higgs ever lose shit loads of money from investing in football as they shouldn't have got involved
Skyblueweeman
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All fair points but where have I done that? I'm as crticial of SISU as the next person. Taking us out of Cov, lack of interaction with fans, false promises etc etc, I could go on.
I just see the bigger picture and realise that whilst SISU have been awful for us in some aspects, previous regimes play as big a part for our current siutation, regardless of sh*t due dilligence.