Council funding for Ricoh Refurb (3 Viewers)

chiefdave · Aug 4, 2020

tisza said:
No. in these cases the argument is having the Commonwealth games in the Arena benefits local economy etc.
No-one likes it but if CCFC owned the Ricoh we would be thrilled with the grant and think it's not an issue.
It's a distraction from the real issues of what really went on with the rental talks etc. CCC quite happy for us to focus on this grant rather than the bigger picture.

What will be the benefit to the local economy? Think that argument gets pretty weak when you compare it to the economic benefit of a championship football club.

Looking at the history of the games judo plays such a big part this will only be the 4th times its been in the games. Last time was Glasgow and it was all over in 3 days and googling pictures from the event it doesn't exactly look like thousands of people were there.

Also the setup was a judo mat in the middle of an exhibition hall with a few rows of temporary seating around it, not going to cost millions surely? The funding document says its for a new convention centre and f&b improvements, neither really anything to do with the Commonwealth Games - seems like that has been chucked in as a convenient cover, as if they can mention games legacy and nobody will question it.

Guess we have our answer to why Wasps would be bothered about ensuring the council were happy.

chiefdave · Aug 4, 2020

win9nut said:
By May 2022 SISU will own ACL and Wasps Rugby anyway.

So ultimately CCFC might benefit a bit...

Council would probably ask for the money back if that happened!

Nick · Aug 4, 2020

Interesting.

shepardo01 · Aug 4, 2020

chiefdave said:
What will be the benefit to the local economy? Think that argument gets pretty weak when you compare it to the economic benefit of a championship football club.

Looking at the history of the games judo plays such a big part this will only be the 4th times its been in the games. Last time was Glasgow and it was all over in 3 days and googling pictures from the event it doesn't exactly look like thousands of people were there.

Also the setup was a judo mat in the middle of an exhibition hall with a few rows of temporary seating around it, not going to cost millions surely? The funding document says its for a new convention centre and f&b improvements, neither really anything to do with the Commonwealth Games - seems like that has been chucked in as a convenient cover, as if they can mention games legacy and nobody will question it.

Guess we have our answer to why Wasps would be bothered about ensuring the council were happy.

How will the public know how much of the money went into a "refurb"????
......and how much went into propping the playing side of things up??....
Didn't realise a couple of mats and some temporary seats were so expensive these days!

Nick · Aug 4, 2020

shepardo01 said:
How will the public know how much of the money went into a "refurb"????
......and how much went into propping the playing side of things up??....
Didn't realise a couple of mats and some temporary seats were so expensive these days!

Or a hotel.....

They already have the seating setup for the netball don't they?

Liquid Gold · Aug 4, 2020

shepardo01 said:
How will the public know how much of the money went into a "refurb"????
......and how much went into propping the playing side of things up??....
Didn't realise a couple of mats and some temporary seats were so expensive these days!

They already have the temporary seating for the netball team

djr8369 · Aug 4, 2020

What a waste of vital funding which could be used to do something useful.

Nick · Aug 4, 2020

Interesting too.

jordan210 · Aug 4, 2020

chiefdave said:
What will be the benefit to the local economy? Think that argument gets pretty weak when you compare it to the economic benefit of a championship football club.

Looking at the history of the games judo plays such a big part this will only be the 4th times its been in the games. Last time was Glasgow and it was all over in 3 days and googling pictures from the event it doesn't exactly look like thousands of people were there.

Also the setup was a judo mat in the middle of an exhibition hall with a few rows of temporary seating around it, not going to cost millions surely? The funding document says its for a new convention centre and f&b improvements, neither really anything to do with the Commonwealth Games - seems like that has been chucked in as a convenient cover, as if they can mention games legacy and nobody will question it.

Guess we have our answer to why Wasps would be bothered about ensuring the council were happy.

The excel in London had a capacity of 10k for floor events. Last Commonwealth dint seam to have Judo but wrestling had a capacity of 5k

So you would say 5k max

shepardo01 · Aug 4, 2020

Nick said:
Interesting too.

Just beat me to it Nick!

cc84cov · Aug 4, 2020

shepardo01 said:
Here we go....

Unbelievable

tisza · Aug 4, 2020

Nick said:
Interesting too.

that would be shocking. struggle for a commercial loan? what justification?

win9nut · Aug 4, 2020

CCC have been extremely generous towards Wasps to say the least.

Does anyone think that if the situation was slightly different CCFC would ever get the same support?

Nick · Aug 4, 2020

Nick said:
Looking forward to Bobby Bridge to get the spin going.

Called it. It's fucking embarrassing.

All for Judo though obviously.

Grendel · Aug 4, 2020

Nick said:
Interesting.

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Upton does not adopt the line and will support anti council and wasps stuff on his twitter feed

win9nut · Aug 4, 2020

Where's Jimmy?

chiefdave · Aug 4, 2020

jordan210 said:
So you would say 5k max

And according to the specifications on the hire document for the Ricoh they can currently provided tiered seating for 7K so nothing additional needed there.

Nick · Aug 4, 2020

Grendel said:
Upton does not adopt the line and will support anti council and wasps stuff on his twitter feed

He didn't seem like it when him and Gilbert were trying to double team Pete about the indemnity though.

win9nut · Aug 4, 2020

win9nut said:
Where's Jimmy?

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just thought, that's probably the other side!

Liquid Gold · Aug 4, 2020

So it's going to look the same then?

jordan210 · Aug 4, 2020

chiefdave said:
And according to the specifications on the hire document for the Ricoh they can currently provided tiered seating for 7K so nothing additional needed there.

I wonder what it currently holds for netball.

jordan210 · Aug 4, 2020

win9nut said:
Where's Jimmy?

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Can tell thats not a wasps game. far to many fans

Grendel · Aug 4, 2020

Nick said:
He didn't seem like it when him and Gilbert were trying to double team Pete about the indemnity though.

He will adopt the line on the Radio as an impartial interviewer but he adopts the "views are my own" generally on twitter

Nick · Aug 4, 2020

Have asked Jim O'Boyle what legacy it is going to leave for the tax payer and why that is needed for a few days of Judo.

chiefdave · Aug 4, 2020

win9nut said:
just thought, that's probably the other side!

It is, looks like they're taking the stairs out. Might bid for the job, reckon I could knock a staircase down for a few million.

Although oddly in that sketch it looks like they've removed an entire floor. This is what that side looks like at the moment.

kg82 · Aug 4, 2020

chiefdave said:
It is, looks like they're taking the stairs out. Might bid for the job, reckon I could knock a staircase down for a few million.

Although oddly in that sketch it looks like they've removed an entire floor. This is what that side looks like at the moment.

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Think stairs are still there, it looks like they’re putting some kind of conservatory that covers it though! Goes from near enough where it says casino on the exhibition hall to the stadium.

Terry Gibson's perm · Aug 4, 2020

chiefdave said:
It is, looks like they're taking the stairs out. Might bid for the job, reckon I could knock a staircase down for a few million.

Although oddly in that sketch it looks like they've removed an entire floor. This is what that side looks like at the moment.

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i don’t think it would be worth bidding as they probably have a property developer in mind

Nick · Aug 4, 2020

It would be funny if the guy who was trying to get planning for a hotel put in an EU complaint.

covcity4life · Aug 4, 2020

This is infuriating

The only plus I can see is that more and more people are turning against wasps in this city

Their attendances coukd fall to 2-3k perhaps

MusicDating · Aug 4, 2020

Nick said:
It would be funny if the guy who was trying to get planning for a hotel put in an EU complaint.

Anyone can raise a complaint...

chiefdave · Aug 4, 2020

kg82 said:
Think stairs are still there, it looks like they’re putting some kind of conservatory that covers it though! Goes from near enough where it says casino on the exhibition hall to the stadium.

You're right, if you zoom in on the sketch you can see the stairs still there. Seems a bit of a waste of time to say the least.

Nick · Aug 4, 2020

How is it going to help the Judo? You would surely think they would have to up a business case forward for it?

Have the council got assurances that the money won't go into a hotel or a training ground?

Terry Gibson's perm · Aug 4, 2020

In these very tough times there are better things to spend money on, this is just ridiculous the comenwealth games may not even happen if things don’t settle down.

kg82 · Aug 4, 2020

chiefdave said:
You're right, if you zoom in on the sketch you can see the stairs still there. Seems a bit of a waste of time to say the least.

Yeah, I seriously can’t see the point. Like Nick says, what benefit will this have for the Judo?!

Nick · Aug 4, 2020

kg82 said:
Yeah, I seriously can’t see the point. Like Nick says, what benefit will this have for the Judo?!

Would be good to know the return it will give to Coventry in general after the Commonwealth games and how it was justified? Especially to take a decent chunk of the funding up too.

Any minutes from the council meeting where it was decided?

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