Sky Blue Pete
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Also I feel bad that some countries have no vaccines and we are celebrating 15m this and that. I’m pleased but also feel a little guilty
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clint van damme
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from what I've read there have been no short cuts taken.
NorthernWisdom
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That'll be confirmed when the rest of the world agrees with us.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Unfortunately it looks like it comes down to who you believe again, but below is about the most impartial I can find (Not the BBC, Guardian, Daily Mail, or Express)
Will the EU's threat to limit Covid vaccine exports impact the UK's supply? | ITV News
The EU has threatened to limit its exports of vaccines produced within their borders after AstraZeneca said it would be unable to meet its promised delivery. | ITV National News
www.itv.com
They haven't even approved it yet, and the UK had an agreement in place three months before they did. Considering how we have handled the virus being a complete shambles, it is impressive that we have done this and I think there is a little bit of bitterness from the EU. That last bit is my personal opinion of course, but the EU certainly don't come out of this looking good, and people that try to defend them are losing credibility at this point.
fernandopartridge
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My view on the EU is
1. They’ve every right to chase AZ to meet their contractual obligations
2. They would be completely wrong to enact any ban of exports from the EU to third countries (not just the UK but this includes a lot of very poor 3rd world countries)
3. Aggregated buying at EU level possibly didn’t make much sense
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1. They’ve every right to chase AZ to meet their contractual obligations
2. They would be completely wrong to enact any ban of exports from the EU to third countries (not just the UK but this includes a lot of very poor 3rd world countries)
3. Aggregated buying at EU level possibly didn’t make much sense
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clint van damme
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Unfortunately it looks like it comes down to who you believe again, but below is about the most impartial I can find (Not the BBC, Guardian, Daily Mail, or Express)
Will the EU's threat to limit Covid vaccine exports impact the UK's supply? | ITV News
The EU has threatened to limit its exports of vaccines produced within their borders after AstraZeneca said it would be unable to meet its promised delivery. | ITV National News
They haven't even approved it yet, and the UK had an agreement in place three months before they did. Considering how we have handled the virus being a complete shambles, it is impressive that we have done this and I think there is a little bit of bitterness from the EU. That last bit is my personal opinion of course, but the EU certainly don't come out of this looking good, and people that try to defend them are losing credibility at this point.
in every article I've read there is this quote:
" “In the future, all companies producing vaccines against Covid-19 in the EU will have to provide early notification whenever they want to export vaccines to third countries,” she said. "
That doesn't explicitly say they would stop supply and Nadhim Zahawi didn't think so either though I appreciate it wouldn't be wise of him not to ramp up the rhetoric.
100% NW ! Little fanfare about it today but read that we’ve offered to assist with other countries genomics to help them spot new variants (helps us as well but by helping the wider world)
Whilst we may have made a mess with some of the decisions taken to better protect the country, in relation to some of the science related stuff; discovering drugs that better treat Covid, funding Oxfords not for profit vaccine development and also the above, we should be proud that we have been doing our bit for the greater good.
Brighton Sky Blue
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You shouldn't. Over 1,000 deaths a day, top death toll in Europe, we aren't at the front of the queue without some moral justification
Sky Blue Pete
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David O'Day
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They paid up front we fucking didn't so sorry that doesn't wash
David O'Day
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That's the first step in being to stop the export
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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If the EU murdered your family you would still have your cock out wanking for them.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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I've seen that quote many times too, but it is clear to me what it means. The EU are putting in new rules to tighten the export of vaccines to countries not in it, aka The UK.
It is a deliberate attempt to jump in front and it is fuelled by a vindictive streak, absolutely no question. If it was the other way round you would have a lot of people who voted remain screaming about it. I think this will harm the block going forwards.
shmmeee
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Maths checks out above 47.5% efficacy at one dose though:
100 ppl one dose: 47.5 infections prevented
50 ppl two doses: 47.5 infections prevented
only real question is can we get supply of the second dose on time (whatever that time may be)
Philosorapter
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Does anyone know the mortality rates for the top priority groups compared with the rest of the groups?
Philosorapter
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Over 25,000 deaths in care homes.
From 60% effective for the first dose to 90% for the second dose. I can't remember the exact figures. surely you would want to vaccinate this group of people with a second dose as fast as possible?
The chances of survival grow enormously with the second jab.
It is more than 'just a top-up'.
These are figures from the first two waves.
From 60% effective for the first dose to 90% for the second dose. I can't remember the exact figures. surely you would want to vaccinate this group of people with a second dose as fast as possible?
The chances of survival grow enormously with the second jab.
It is more than 'just a top-up'.
These are figures from the first two waves.
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David O'Day
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Get a job
hill83
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We got in there first so the contract should be honoured. End of story as far as I'm concerned.
www.theguardian.com
Head of AstraZeneca rejects calls for UK vaccine to be diverted to EU
Chief executive of pharmaceutical giant says the firm will honour UK’s earlier contract despite EU anger over shortfall
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Skybluefaz
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I suppose fair play to them for being careful, you're not gonna lose out on pay because of it are you? Cos that would be shit.
Evo1883
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I am... Sadly.
But I agree in principle thy have done the correct thing.. It is Coventry Council so you'd expect it.
I felt hot when I got out the car, heating was on full whack didn't think but these forehead readers are just taking skin temp and it's clear to me the heating has knackered me up
clint van damme
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The main driver for my opinion is the interview i saw yesterday with Zahawi who didn't think it was a big deal.
But to flip the argument there are suddenly people appearing on this thread who haven't commented on any of the following:
The PPE debacle
The track and trace debacle
The cronyism surrounding the awarding of contracts for both of the above.
The failure to close our borders
The decision to leave London in tier 2 before Christmas
And ultimately the highest deaths per capita in the world
Yet there's some perceived aggression from the EU and they're on here!!
Skybluefaz
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Fair play for doing the right thing, not that you have much choice. Not right that people are losing out on money because of a potentially dodgy temp reading though.I am... Sadly.
But I agree in principle thy have done the correct thing.. It is Coventry Council so you'd expect it.
I felt hot when I got out the car, heating was on full whack didn't think but these forehead readers are just taking skin temp and it's clear to me the heating has knackered me up
clint van damme
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I am... Sadly.
But I agree in principle thy have done the correct thing.. It is Coventry Council so you'd expect it.
I felt hot when I got out the car, heating was on full whack didn't think but these forehead readers are just taking skin temp and it's clear to me the heating has knackered me up
go and get a lateral flow test, you'll have the results in under an hour.
Sky Blue Pete
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Boris Johnson says government did everything it could to limit Covid deaths
PM says it is ‘hard to compute the sorrow’ after number of deaths passes 100,000
glad Boris takes full responsibility but as for keeping a straight face when he says the government did everything they could to minimise loss of life I say yeah right
I wonder what taking full responsibility means? I also wonder if tragedy had touched any of the cabinet their response would have been different
clint van damme
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Boris Johnson says government did everything it could to limit Covid deaths
PM says it is ‘hard to compute the sorrow’ after number of deaths passes 100,000
glad Boris takes full responsibility but as for keeping a straight face when he says the government did everything they could to minimise loss of life I say yeah right
I wonder what taking full responsibility means? I also wonder if tragedy had touched any of the cabinet their response would have been different
I remember when politicians would resign because they'd had an affair. Now they can get away with the deaths of 100k people. Even in his apology he told a lie, he can't help himself.
Sky Blue Pete
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If an interviewee gave the answer I’d have done nothing differently they rarely get the job but that’s what we’re to believe in this. Nothing could have been done differently, we've just been unlucky in the UK. Just insane utter denial and I’m really very angry about it this morning. In fact I’m so pissed off
Good radio 4 interview lady so good at asking specifics when the answer is we’ve done everything honourably and the future is really important ffs
Brighton Sky Blue
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I get the feeling he wants to say ‘well they’re dead now what do you want me to do about it’
NorthernWisdom
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Don't they have a policy that if you're isolating it doesn't count as sick, and you get paid anyway?
Evo1883
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I'm not on a contract yet
NorthernWisdom
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Ah. That just formalities, or type of role? If the former, politely tell them about their policies, as it's not fair if you miss out because they're taking their time!
clint van damme
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Potential bit of good news
news.sky.com
COVID-19: Breakthrough treatment claims to stop 100% of symptomatic infections
Makers say early tests of the experimental drug indicate it may "break the chain" of rising coronavirus infections.
news.sky.com
hill83
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Potential bit of good news
COVID-19: Breakthrough treatment claims to stop 100% of symptomatic infections
Makers say early tests of the experimental drug indicate it may "break the chain" of rising coronavirus infections.
That's the one Trump said was a cure a couple of months ago.
Edit: Just seen it's in the article
David O'Day
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We got in there first so the contract should be honoured. End of story as far as I'm concerned.
Head of AstraZeneca rejects calls for UK vaccine to be diverted to EU
Chief executive of pharmaceutical giant says the firm will honour UK’s earlier contract despite EU anger over shortfall
The EU's argument is they paid in full up front and thus partly funded the research of the vaccine.
Sadly this isn't going to go away and AZ will need to sort something out as the EU isn't going to sit back and accept only 605 ofg the vaccines it needs.
