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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 23, 2020
  • #34,616
David O'Day said:
Not that simple, I know plenty of people who voted Brexit Party but would never vote Tory. It's a fallacy to say that if the were no BXP candidates those people who have directly voted tory.
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People who voted for Farage rather than Boris. Wow
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 23, 2020
  • #34,617
David O'Day said:
You can imagine whatever you want doesn't make it true
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You just imagined you know lots of people David
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 23, 2020
  • #34,618
David O'Day said:
You can imagine whatever you want doesn't make it true
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I don’t need to imagine when the polls show they were pulling more from the Tories fella. Indeed if it were no concern then Johnson wouldn’t have insisted on them standing down in most seats
 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 23, 2020
  • #34,619
Ian1779 said:
I think this is a much more accurate portrayal.
The second highest category could also be easily linked to Labour’s dithering of Brexit position.
Maybe his lack of energy/lethargy came from having to run with a policy that he didn’t believe in - that said he did allow the members of party to dictate that position, and should have known that party membership does not reflect voting demographics, especially in Northern leave constituencies.
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The case was there to make that a soft Brexit was best for all sides and for national unity. However I think by that time he’s become such a punchline that he personally didn’t have the gravitas to make that case. And we probably would’ve been caught between revoke and “proper Brexit” anyway. As Starmer is finding Brexit handed 40% to the Tories that literally won’t stop voting for them even if they start starving kids and blatantly stuffing their mates pockets full of cash while running a strategy seemingly designed to kill off their very demographic.

I was watching an Ian Dunt interview the other day and a good question was raised about Remains lack of a Farage type figure who fires up the base and keeps the major party in check and the best he could come up with was the Lib Dems. I think that says it all.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 23, 2020
  • #34,620
Sky Blue Pete said:
People who voted for Farage rather than Boris. Wow
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Anti Tory sentiment in areas they destroyed in the 80s is (rightly) very strong even today.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 23, 2020
  • #34,621
shmmeee said:
The case was there to make that a soft Brexit was best for all sides and for national unity. However I think by that time he’s become such a punchline that he personally didn’t have the gravitas to make that case. And we probably would’ve been caught between revoke and “proper Brexit” anyway. As Starmer is finding Brexit handed 40% to the Tories that literally won’t stop voting for them even if they start starving kids and blatantly stuffing their mates pockets full of cash while running a strategy seemingly designed to kill off their very demographic.

I was watching an Ian Dunt interview the other day and a good question was raised about Remains lack of a Farage type figure who fires up the base and keeps the major party in check and the best he could come up with was the Lib Dems. I think that says it all.
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You’d need the equivalent of Gordon Brown in the indyref. For some reason I’m thinking of Paddy Ashdown resurrected on crack
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 23, 2020
  • #34,622
shmmeee said:
Anti Tory sentiment in areas they destroyed in the 80s is (rightly) very strong even today.
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Didn’t stop swathes of County Durham voting for them, mind at least Newcastle held
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Oct 23, 2020
  • #34,623
........AAAAAAnnnyway.....this virus eh?
 

clint van damme

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  • Oct 23, 2020
  • #34,624
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
........AAAAAAnnnyway.....this virus eh?
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tory c**t. Would have voted down the free school meals bill if it were an MP.
Which it could be with Murdochs blessing. The public would forgive it with a few positive tabloid headlines.
 

David O'Day

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  • Oct 23, 2020
  • #34,625
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I don’t need to imagine when the polls show they were pulling more from the Tories fella. Indeed if it were no concern then Johnson wouldn’t have insisted on them standing down in most seats
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Only they didn't show that, they took votes from labour and the tories and they created new voters
 

David O'Day

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  • Oct 23, 2020
  • #34,626
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Didn’t stop swathes of County Durham voting for them, mind at least Newcastle held
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North West Durham (UK Parliament constituency) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Only 3000 more people voted Tory in the largest county durham seat. As with other places such as Blyth and Bishop Auckland it was the collapse of the Labour vote
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 23, 2020
  • #34,627
David O'Day said:
Only they didn't show that, they took votes from labour and the tories and they created new voters
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More were drawn from Tories than Labour by some distance.
 

David O'Day

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  • Oct 23, 2020
  • #34,628
Brighton Sky Blue said:
More were drawn from Tories than Labour by some distance.
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If you say so
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 23, 2020
  • #34,629
David O'Day said:

North West Durham (UK Parliament constituency) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Only 3000 more people voted Tory in the largest county durham seat. As with other places such as Blyth and Bishop Auckland it was the collapse of the Labour vote
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As share of the vote they and BXP took over 13 points from Labour. With connections to the area myself it’s more than a bit baffling to see those who helped wreck the region get rewarded. Covid isn’t going to bring these seats back
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 23, 2020
  • #34,630
David O'Day said:
If you say so
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Most Conservative and Brexit Party voters support a pact | YouGov

While the Conservatives don’t want to come to any agreement with Nigel Farage, their voters do
yougov.co.uk
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 23, 2020
  • #34,631
You might need to get your finger out of your arse then and do something to help you absolute bumbling fucktard....

Covid-19: Boris Johnson hopes families can have Christmas together
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Oct 23, 2020
  • #34,632
David O'Day said:
as someone who doorstepped in 2019 there is nothing wrong with that survey

Starmer was much more popular than Corbyn even then and many people said they'd vote for labour if he was leader
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How many of them were actually aware of Starmer and the way he campaigns? He's hardly high energy is he. I like his methodical calm approach but for many in this day and age he's not going to be the general to get you to charge the trenches is he.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Oct 23, 2020
  • #34,633
With the Rashford thing while it is affirming to see this kind of behaviour it's kind of playing into the Tory playbook.

The state still isn't paying for it and those paying more in terms of percentage are those on middle incomes rather than those well-off who should be (unless they feel there's something they can gain personally be doing so)
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 23, 2020
  • #34,634
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
With the Rashford thing while it is affirming to see this kind of behaviour it's kind of playing into the Tory playbook.

The state still isn't paying for it and those paying more in terms of percentage are those on middle incomes rather than those well-off who should be (unless they feel there's something they can gain personally be doing so)
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I guess the short term result of the kids being fed is more important but I see your point.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 23, 2020
  • #34,635
Ian1779 said:
You might need to get your finger out of your arse then and do something to help you absolute bumbling fucktard....

Covid-19: Boris Johnson hopes families can have Christmas together
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He does more harm than good. It's no wonder people don't follow guidance when he's so vague, useless, and utterly on another planet with wild unobtainable optimism.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 23, 2020
  • #34,636
I really don’t want someone talking up how things are gonna get better every day when it really isn’t! More evidence based decisive decision making to ensure we do get back to normal and less naive grandstanding.

That said the whole of Europe is up shit creek not least France
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 23, 2020
  • #34,637
Deleted member 5849 said:
He does more harm than good. It's no wonder people don't follow guidance when he's so vague, useless, and utterly on another planet with wild unobtainable optimism.
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Yep utter pointless wanker
 

chiefdave

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  • Oct 23, 2020
  • #34,638
Ian1779 said:
You might need to get your finger out of your arse then and do something to help you absolute bumbling fucktard....

Covid-19: Boris Johnson hopes families can have Christmas together
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Think this is the key sentence.
But a scientific adviser to the government warned without taking action a normal Christmas was "wishful thinking in the extreme".
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Kieranp96

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 23, 2020
  • #34,639
Sky Blue Pete said:
I really don’t want someone talking up how things are gonna get better every day when it really isn’t! More evidence based decisive decision making to ensure we do get back to normal and less naive grandstanding.

That said the whole of Europe is up shit creek not least France
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Italy are right in the brink of 20k cases per day now as well, Spain and UK hitting 20k and Germany flying up out asses, but Germany deaths will be low always due to the amount of icu beds they have.
 

chiefdave

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  • Oct 23, 2020
  • #34,640
Sky Blue Pete said:
I really don’t want someone talking up how things are gonna get better every day when it really isn’t! More evidence based decisive decision making to ensure we do get back to normal and less naive grandstanding.
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Agreed, vague its going to be over in a couple of months statements from Johnson aren't helping. Do they even have a plan for getting students home and then back to unis without it being the same disaster it was a few weeks ago?

The one thing I am finding a little encouraging is that I've noticed that various experts are increasingly talking about when, not if, we will be rolling out the vaccine. Have also seen several talk about it starting to be rolled out by Xmas. That's a big change from the way they were talking about a potential vaccine at some unspecified point in the future a few weeks ago. Is there something behind that? Probably just wishful thinking.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 23, 2020
  • #34,641
chiefdave said:
Agreed, vague its going to be over in a couple of months statements from Johnson aren't helping. Do they even have a plan for getting students home and then back to unis without it being the same disaster it was a few weeks ago?
The one thing I am finding a little encouraging is that I've noticed that various experts are increasingly talking about when, not if, we will be rolling out the vaccine. Have also seen several talk about it starting to be rolled out by Xmas. That's a big change from the way they were talking about a potential vaccine at some unspecified point in the future a few weeks ago. Is there something behind that? Probably just wishful thinking.
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The thing I’ve noticed Is how Chris Whitty has been benched
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 23, 2020
  • #34,642
chiefdave said:
Agreed, vague its going to be over in a couple of months statements from Johnson aren't helping. Do they even have a plan for getting students home and then back to unis without it being the same disaster it was a few weeks ago?

The one thing I am finding a little encouraging is that I've noticed that various experts are increasingly talking about when, not if, we will be rolling out the vaccine. Have also seen several talk about it starting to be rolled out by Xmas. That's a big change from the way they were talking about a potential vaccine at some unspecified point in the future a few weeks ago. Is there something behind that? Probably just wishful thinking.
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They're softening the public up to the vaccine being issued without a license
 

David O'Day

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  • Oct 23, 2020
  • #34,643
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
How many of them were actually aware of Starmer and the way he campaigns? He's hardly high energy is he. I like his methodical calm approach but for many in this day and age he's not going to be the general to get you to charge the trenches is he.
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people don't really care about that
 

David O'Day

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  • Oct 23, 2020
  • #34,644
they are trebling down on the we are scum messaging

 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 23, 2020
  • #34,645
David O'Day said:
they are trebling down on the we are scum messaging

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Notts scabs in Mansfield voting the stupid c**t in
 

Ian1779

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  • Oct 24, 2020
  • #34,646
 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 24, 2020
  • #34,647
David O'Day said:
they are trebling down on the we are scum messaging

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What nasty pricks. “Oh my governments intervention doesn’t work according to this anecdote from my ass, therefore kids should starve”. Always excuses never action with the Tories. Snivelling shits.

Ive been getting increasingly pissed Off with the left but shit like this puts it all in perspective.

Mood:

 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 24, 2020
  • #34,648
fernandopartridge said:
Notts scabs in Mansfield voting the stupid c**t in
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You know they will again
 

David O'Day

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  • Oct 24, 2020
  • #34,649

They are now claiming drug dealers will take food for drugs
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 24, 2020
  • #34,650
David O'Day said:

They are now claiming drug dealers will take food for drugs
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All the comments are full of doff cappers
 
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