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stupot07

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  • Oct 17, 2020
  • #34,301

What exactly are the Conservatives conserving? It’s certainly not the union | Marina Hyde

With his ever-evolving ‘plans’, Boris Johnson has succeeded in alienating even those who were once his biggest fans, says Guardian columnist Marina Hyde
www.theguardian.com

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djr8369

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  • Oct 17, 2020
  • #34,302
clint van damme said:
Decent article

What lockdown sceptics get wrong

One of the more peculiar features of Covid is just how cleanly the crisis has split us down political lines. As a serving Tory councillor, you may assume that my views on masks, lockdown and the virus are predictable. But I’m also a microbiologist and I’m dismayed by the attitudes of some fellow...
www.spectator.co.uk
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Good read.
The optimism for a vaccine always seemed to be clutching at straws.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Oct 17, 2020
  • #34,303
Kieranp96 said:
The science he was told about herd immunity, he tried everyone moaned so he locked us down.
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No. He argued for herd immunity against the scientific experts. Experts would've locked down sooner and probably harder and if they had it wouldn't have got as bad as it did and we'd have been able to open up more quickly.

With no guarantee of immunity to reinfection, no vaccine forthcoming and even uncertainty at the time of the potency, infectiousness or longer term health implications of the virus herd immunity was never a viable option other than for someone who wants to put economics first (and even them it would've turned out to be a shit idea).
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 17, 2020
  • #34,304
Deleted member 5849 said:
Thing is, it is popular in the country, just not among his party.

The way we're going we're missing the slot anyway, and we need substantially longer locked down.
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I wouldn't call it 'popular', as in people actively want to do it. It's more a begrudging acceptance that it's what's needed. Like me having fruit and veg everyday doesn't mean I like or enjoy it - I'd love to be able to eat junk all the time - but I accept it's far better for me if I do.

Looking at it now it does look like with hindsight we should've locked down two weeks ago. With the lag between infection and serious problems it could get grim by the start of November.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Oct 17, 2020
  • #34,305
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Right, ok. Did we shield a lot of people who weren't vulnerable? Yes we did.
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Is a lot of people everyone, like you stated? No, it isn't.

And is sending confirmed cases into closed environments of very vulnerable people shielding them? No, it isn't.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 17, 2020
  • #34,306
Kieranp96 said:
Not saying it was but people didn't want lockdown so he tried herd immunity on the advice of his advisors, like 2 weeks later they l oked down as people were complaining about cases deaths ect, my point is you can't please everybody especially in todays day of age.
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Exactly. Advisors. Not experts. People who are there for political reasons, not the science.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Oct 17, 2020
  • #34,307
Ring Of Steel said:
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They've had a little time to think it over and now wish they could be in Rotterdam. The strategy to Brexit has been a perfect (minus) 10
 
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chiefdave

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  • Oct 17, 2020
  • #34,308
See the world beating app is working well.
 
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djr8369

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  • Oct 17, 2020
  • #34,309
Deleted member 5849 said:
And there I was thinking it was a sexy desperate woman, who got turned on by whingy gits moaning about a killer virus!
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You’d have to go to reddit to find those women.
 
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djr8369

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  • Oct 17, 2020
  • #34,310
chiefdave said:
See the world beating app is working well.
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Same happened to us. Seems you have to update the app for your alert level to change.
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 17, 2020
  • #34,311

Thousands of anti-mask protesters march on London hours after Tier 2 lockdown

THOUSANDS of anti-mask protesters descended on London today calling for “freedom” as the capital entered tougher lockdown rules. The group marched through Hyde Park and Oxford Street de…
www.thesun.co.uk
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Oct 17, 2020
  • #34,312
wingy said:

Thousands of anti-mask protesters march on London hours after Tier 2 lockdown

THOUSANDS of anti-mask protesters descended on London today calling for “freedom” as the capital entered tougher lockdown rules. The group marched through Hyde Park and Oxford Street de…
www.thesun.co.uk
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Get the London fire brigade to soak them all. They'll soon piss off home.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 17, 2020
  • #34,313
wingy said:

Thousands of anti-mask protesters march on London hours after Tier 2 lockdown

THOUSANDS of anti-mask protesters descended on London today calling for “freedom” as the capital entered tougher lockdown rules. The group marched through Hyde Park and Oxford Street de…
www.thesun.co.uk
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Such knobs
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Oct 17, 2020
  • #34,314
How many of them were clapping the NHS just a few months ago?
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Oct 18, 2020
  • #34,315
From 16.3.20 to 12.10.20.


 
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Skybluefaz

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  • Oct 18, 2020
  • #34,316

Haven't fact checked this but I don't think I'll need to
 
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Ian1779

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  • Oct 18, 2020
  • #34,317
Just had an email from my sons primary school - 2 cases of confirmed COV-ID in different bubbles, given the way they have set up with staff they have to now get too many staff to self-isolate so they have to close until 2nd Nov
 
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clint van damme

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  • Oct 18, 2020
  • #34,318
Skybluefaz said:

Haven't fact checked this but I don't think I'll need to
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Sweet Jesus
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 18, 2020
  • #34,319
Ian1779 said:
Just had an email from my sons primary school - 2 cases of confirmed COV-ID in different bubbles, given the way they have set up with staff they have to now get too many staff to self-isolate so they have to close until 2nd Nov
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Does that affect you working, and therefore your classes?
 

Ian1779

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  • Oct 18, 2020
  • #34,320
Deleted member 5849 said:
Does that affect you working, and therefore your classes?
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Yeah, the primary school don’t even have enough staff to be able to open to vulnerable/key workers.
My wife and I are both teachers, so just worked out how we’ll split the week. 2 days out, 2 days in each - haven’t sorted the last day of the week yet. Maybe Johnson will come to the rescue and close them all by then.. safe to say I’ll be making contingency plans.
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Oct 19, 2020
  • #34,321
My youngest is off for another fucking 2 weeks..........such a dumb & damaging system.

The bubbles are virtually pointless....siblings still in school, parents still working, the virus is rife in the school & the local community so whats the fucking point exactly?

Just isolate symptomatic kids who test positive & keep the schools open, or close them down completely until xmas....but this fucking okey-cokey approach is ludicrous.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 19, 2020
  • #34,322
Ian1779 said:
Yeah, the primary school don’t even have enough staff to be able to open to vulnerable/key workers.
My wife and I are both teachers, so just worked out how we’ll split the week. 2 days out, 2 days in each - haven’t sorted the last day of the week yet. Maybe Johnson will come to the rescue and close them all by then.. safe to say I’ll be making contingency plans.
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You know he won’t. Our profession matters the least to him
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 19, 2020
  • #34,323
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
How many of them were clapping the NHS just a few months ago?
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Probably stood on the bridge next to Paramedics doing it.
 
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Seamus1

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  • Oct 19, 2020
  • #34,324
clint van damme said:
Sweet Jesus
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In the news section of the ZOE Covid App, there is an update to say that the masks were donated. Tim Spector has apologised for the ‘mishandling’ of the issue
 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 19, 2020
  • #34,325
Seamus1 said:
In the news section of the ZOE Covid App, there is an update to say that the masks were donated. Tim Spector has apologised for the ‘mishandling’ of the issue
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Donated in exchange for nationwide advertising from a trusted source. Which would’ve cost millions to purchase on the open market.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Oct 19, 2020
  • #34,326
Wales following Northern Ireland into lockdown. Odds on Scotland doing the same and Johnson being left the odd one out again?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 19, 2020
  • #34,327
Ian1779 said:
Yeah, the primary school don’t even have enough staff to be able to open to vulnerable/key workers.
My wife and I are both teachers, so just worked out how we’ll split the week. 2 days out, 2 days in each - haven’t sorted the last day of the week yet. Maybe Johnson will come to the rescue and close them all by then.. safe to say I’ll be making contingency plans.
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Avon Valley in Rugby now closing because of too many cases.

If this is a trend that's starting up, may as well formalise it around the country!
 

David O'Day

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  • Oct 19, 2020
  • #34,328
shmmeee said:
Donated in exchange for nationwide advertising from a trusted source. Which would’ve cost millions to purchase on the open market.
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To be fair the zoe app is a privately created and maintained app. It's not run by any public bodies so while distasteful I can't see what is wrong there? Apart from silk is a poor material for a mask.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 19, 2020
  • #34,329
David O'Day said:
To be fair the zoe app is a privately created and maintained app. It's not run by any public bodies so while distasteful I can't see what is wrong there? Apart from silk is a poor material for a mask.
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Ah my mistake I read it as the COVID app
 

David O'Day

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  • Oct 19, 2020
  • #34,330
shmmeee said:
Ah my mistake I read it as the COVID app
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i did at the start, if the covid app was advertising former tory mps wives comapnies clobber then that would be proper scandal to far.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 19, 2020
  • #34,331
Getting to the virtually 1k hospital admissions a day now, this needs to slow down and quick.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 19, 2020
  • #34,332
fernandopartridge said:
Getting to the virtually 1k hospital admissions a day now, this needs to slow down and quick.
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It’s changed it’s no longer as strong it only affects those who are already dead etc etc etc
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 19, 2020
  • #34,333
Sky Blue Pete said:
It’s changed it’s no longer as strong it only affects those who are already dead etc etc etc
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Hmmm.I did wonder about putting something similar, but it did seem in poor taste really.

That said, FFS can't we just acknowledge experts are there because of actual training, internet conspiracists are there because they're nutters.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Oct 19, 2020
  • #34,334
173 per 100k in cov adn yet we are tier 1. They must be looking at the demographics of cases as the heat map still indicates the vast majority of cov cases are students.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 19, 2020
  • #34,335
David O'Day said:
173 per 100k in cov adn yet we are tier 1. They must be looking at the demographics of cases as the heat map still indicates the vast majority of cov cases are students.
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Wouldn't it be a cunning plan to anticipate what's coming, and pre-empt...?
 
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