Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (80 Viewers)

skybluetony176 · Oct 14, 2020

wingy said:
Honest question.
Would they have the scale to undertake at likely projected number's?
Son in law is far busier now and at least seems to get through to a lot more poeple .
I know they have the knowledge .

FP would be the best one to answer that but I’m sure I remember him making the point a long time ago that they already have the ability to do track and trace and have done for decades. A conservative MP made the point yesterday that localised track and trace is already more effective than serco track and trace. There really doesn’t seem a logical reason for not taking it of serco unless as the MP asked there’s financial implications for doing so. Doesn’t stack up.

CCFCSteve · Oct 14, 2020

skybluetony176 said:
FP would be the best one to answer that but I’m sure I remember him making the point a long time ago that they already have the ability to do track and trace and have done for decades. A conservative MP made the point yesterday that localised track and trace is already more effective than serco track and trace. There really doesn’t seem a logical reason for not taking it of serco unless as the MP asked there’s financial implications for doing so. Doesn’t stack up.

100% it should be localised and think it’s heading in that direction. Sure one of the greater Manc locations undertook more localised track and trace at very start of second wave. At worst they should be working closely in conjunction

shmmeee · Oct 14, 2020

Philosorapter said:
What left wing support..? He was just a little less right wing then his colleagues. You can see this to his opposition of going into the basic very-high category.

Him being less right wing by definition means he was the most left wing (until Corbyn became a serious prospect), Burnham was favourite precisely because he was expected to get the vote of the left, Kendall was the Blairite candidate and Cooper the right of the soft left and Burnham the left of the soft left. Corbyn was the token SCG candidate not expected to get more than a few percent.

wingy · Oct 14, 2020

So when the really extreme stuff comes along and has to be implemented will it come from LA/Mayor's, with them taking the heat and the Gov't not suffering the consequent costs?
Both political and the treasury?

David O'Day · Oct 14, 2020

skybluetony176 said:
FP would be the best one to answer that but I’m sure I remember him making the point a long time ago that they already have the ability to do track and trace and have done for decades. A conservative MP made the point yesterday that localised track and trace is already more effective than serco track and trace. There really doesn’t seem a logical reason for not taking it of serco unless as the MP asked there’s financial implications for doing so. Doesn’t stack up.

It's not so much do they have the scale but more why were they given the money to scale up given they already have the experience.

clint van damme · Oct 14, 2020

skybluetony176 · Oct 14, 2020

clint van damme said:

It get worse

Brighton Sky Blue · Oct 14, 2020

Northern Ireland had it right in closing the schools for a bit, Sinn Fein wanting 4 weeks rather than 2 perhaps a bit excessive but still ahead of what the idiots here are after.

clint van damme · Oct 14, 2020

skybluetony176 said:
It get worse

it's fucking gangsterism

shmmeee · Oct 14, 2020

clint van damme said:
it's fucking gangsterism

Banana republic. Honestly what are the odds that a group of people in with kleptocrats around the world aren’t kleptocrats themselves? Same as Trump, same as Putin. Just on a smaller, shitter scale.

skybluetony176 · Oct 14, 2020

clint van damme said:
it's fucking gangsterism

Oh come on. It’s not like Boston Consulting Group has a history of gifting free “technical support” to the Tories during elections. Do they?

Kieranp96 · Oct 14, 2020

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Northern Ireland had it right in closing the schools for a bit, Sinn Fein wanting 4 weeks rather than 2 perhaps a bit excessive but still ahead of what the idiots here are after.

Poi tless just gona spread when they reopen them again.

fernandopartridge · Oct 14, 2020

Kieranp96 said:
Poi tless just gona spread when they reopen them again.

Yes but spreading from a base of 500 cases is better than a base of 3000

Brighton Sky Blue · Oct 14, 2020

Kieranp96 said:
Poi tless just gona spread when they reopen them again.

If they're just going to act as super spreaders maybe they shouldn't be open. I'm already not allowed to teach my subject properly whereas the non-practical subjects would barely be affected.

Kieranp96 · Oct 14, 2020

fernandopartridge said:
Yes but spreading from a base of 500 cases is better than a base of 3000

But it will be 1000s of cases in a matter of days, you lot were complaining during lock down now your all complaining because he won't put a lock down in effect, make. Your fucking. Inds up.

Kieranp96 · Oct 14, 2020

Hospitalizations flying up now as well as ventilator beds, seems its got into. The elderly and those with other issues,

fernandopartridge · Oct 14, 2020

Kieranp96 said:
But it will be 1000s of cases in a matter of days, you lot were complaining during lock down now your all complaining because he won't put a lock down in effect, make. Your fucking. Inds up.

What are you talking about you clown?

Kieranp96 · Oct 14, 2020

fernandopartridge said:
What are you talking about you clown?

Scroll back to when lock down went I to effect and through April and May people were moaning about how the virus only has a minor death rate bla bla now everyones moaning about nothing being done.

fernandopartridge · Oct 14, 2020

Kieranp96 said:
Scroll back to when lock down went I to effect and through April and May people were moaning about how the virus only has a minor death rate bla bla now everyones moaning about nothing being done.

Find me a post from me saying that

djr8369 · Oct 14, 2020

Kieranp96 said:
Scroll back to when lock down went I to effect and through April and May people were moaning about how the virus only has a minor death rate bla bla now everyones moaning about nothing being done.

Well Grendel was.

Kieranp96 · Oct 14, 2020

fernandopartridge said:
Find me a post from me saying that

Just take a look yourself of your that bothered, I'm not going through nearly 1000 pages.

Jamesimus · Oct 14, 2020

Kieranp96 said:
Scroll back to when lock down went I to effect and through April and May people were moaning about how the virus only has a minor death rate bla bla now everyones moaning about nothing being done.

I sincerely doubt many, if any, of the people criticising the governments objectively awful mismanagement of the situation, have also attempted to play down the severity of the virus.

People are moaning that not enough is being done, because it isn't. It wasn't before, it isn't now. And when they do get round to doing things, it's shite.

Ring Of Steel · Oct 14, 2020

djr8369 said:
Well Grendel was.

lol, that’s true actually, I forgot all that. I wonder if the Russian troops will be heading back to Italian streets if it keeps getting worse

Kieranp96 · Oct 14, 2020

Jamesimus said:
I sincerely doubt many, if any, of the people criticising the governments objectively awful mismanagement of the situation, have also attempted to play down the severity of the virus.

People are moaning that not enough is being done, because it isn't. It wasn't before, it isn't now. And when they do get round to doing things, it's shite.

What can be done then doffently. Please explain as I see every cou try in the world is fucked apart from China coincidentally.

djr8369 · Oct 14, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
lol, that’s true actually, I forgot all that. I wonder if the Russian troops will be heading back to Italian streets if it keeps getting worse

Remember when we were going to have a fraction of the cases Italy had?

Deleted member 5849 · Oct 14, 2020

Tell you what, if they kept the pubs open I wouldn't have to worry about next door coming back with some mates and keeping me up trying some hopeless karaoke.

Jamesimus · Oct 14, 2020

Kieranp96 said:
What can be done then doffently. Please explain as I see every cou try in the world is fucked apart from China coincidentally.

How about you start by having a look at the numerous other countries that have had more success dealing with this than we have? The ones who've had less deaths per 1 million of population, the ones who extended an appropriate amount of financial support and didn't miss millions of people out, the ones who had functional testing months before us? That's just a start.

Kieranp96 · Oct 14, 2020

Jamesimus said:
How about you start by having a look at the numerous other countries that have had more success dealing with this than we have? The ones who've had less deaths per 1 million of population, the ones who extended an appropriate amount of financial support and didn't miss millions of people out, the ones who had functional testing months before us? That's just a start.

We have been the most generous in support not one other cou try I can think has gave as much aid as our government, on the deaths how many of them cou trys have recorded deaths the same way we have? It's a non starter of a argument.

Jamesimus · Oct 14, 2020

Kieranp96 said:
We have been the most generous in support not one other cou try I can think has gave as much aid as our government, on the deaths how many of them cou trys have recorded deaths the same way we have? It's a non starter of a argument.

That's right, our country is doing okay because we record the deaths differently...

Have a look at the excess deaths so far. There are graphs that show it by country. If anything they show it's likely that our deaths and Spain's deaths have likely been under-reported in comparison to other European nations.

Also, it took months to roll out financial support for self employed and lots still missed out altogether, heard somewhere in the region of 3 million people who didn't fit in the correct boxes (that may not be correct, does anyone know?).

David O'Day · Oct 14, 2020

Kieranp96 said:
We have been the most generous in support not one other cou try I can think has gave as much aid as our government, on the deaths how many of them cou trys have recorded deaths the same way we have? It's a non starter of a argument.

the level support the uk government has given has been far below most european countries

you don't half talk some shit

Kieranp96 · Oct 14, 2020

David O'Day said:
the level support the uk government has given has been far below most european countries

you don't half talk some shit

Feel free to name them may as well drop. Proof why you are there, as far as I'm aware Germany were the closest and they have stopped most there support now

Jamesimus · Oct 14, 2020

Kieranp96 said:
Feel free to name them may as well drop. Proof why you are there, as far as I'm aware Germany were the closest and they have stopped most there support now

The Kurzarbeit (may have spelled that wrong) scheme? I'm pretty sure they extended that from one year to two years.

Kieranp96 · Oct 15, 2020

Jamesimus said:
That's right, our country is doing okay because we record the deaths differently...

Have a look at the excess deaths so far. There are graphs that show it by country. If anything they show it's likely that our deaths and Spain's deaths have likely been under-reported in comparison to other European nations.

Also, it took months to roll out financial support for self employed and lots still missed out altogether, heard somewhere in the region of 3 million people who didn't fit in the correct boxes (that may not be correct, does anyone know?).

Jamesimus said:
The Kurzarbeit (may have spelled that wrong) scheme? I'm pretty sure they extended that from one year to two years.

Our furlough scheme is better than that, I know it's ending, it shouldnt be but still. 60% wage if your business is forced to shit down is cracking, I've worked throughout the whole pandemic from home, for like 5 mo ths I was on 80% wage.

shmmeee · Oct 15, 2020

Kieranp96 said:
Poi tless just gona spread when they reopen them again.

Thats the point, you stop it overwhelming services and give them a chance to regroup.

Kieranp96 said:
We have been the most generous in support not one other cou try I can think has gave as much aid as our government, on the deaths how many of them cou trys have recorded deaths the same way we have? It's a non starter of a argument.

Delusional.

Politics Isn’t sport mate. It’s OK to criticise when your team fucks up. When you find yourself claiming every other country on earth is lying about deaths and ours are the only honest ones it’s probably time to step back and have a word with yourself.

skybluetony176 · Oct 15, 2020

djr8369 said:
Well Grendel was.

Grendull is an idiot.

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