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David O'Day

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  • Oct 13, 2020
  • #33,881
Philosorapter said:
Whilst I dont disagree with what Starmer has said there is not a cat in hells chance of Labour winning the next election with him.
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As you are usually wrong it's time to lump on Starmer
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Oct 13, 2020
  • #33,882
wingy said:
Who would you pick.
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I think most of the Labour MPs have been rejected by people who vote Labour.

It seems very few people now have anything to do with political parties. The MPs have brought about their own demise with the policies they have forwarded over the last twenty or thirty years.

I think it is getting to a point now where we need to move from representational democracy to direct democracy.
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 13, 2020
  • #33,883
chiefdave said:
This is obviously a very small sample size but my 72 year old Mum, who has voted Conservative all her life, was raving about Andy Burnham a couple of days ago.
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Can’t be PM if you aren’t an MP
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 13, 2020
  • #33,884
Philosorapter said:
I think most of the Labour MPs have been rejected by people who vote Labour.

It seems very few people now have anything to do with political parties. The MPs have brought about their own demise with the policies they have forwarded over the last twenty or thirty years.

I think it is getting to a point now where we need to move from representational democracy to direct democracy.
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I think by definition none of the Labour MPs have been rejected by people who vote Labour

Direct democracy is a terrible idea. You want the country run by your Facebook feed? Running a country isn’t a job for part timers and amateurs.
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 13, 2020
  • #33,885
Who would set the agenda's here?
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Oct 13, 2020
  • #33,886
Deleted member 5849 said:
143 deaths today. Not exactly weakening...
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I'm thinking that now there are more cases again not only are people more likely to get it but they're likely to be exposed to it by more than one source, increasing the overall viral load and thus making it harder to fight off. Plus as it inevitably seeps back into those more vulnerable groups it's going to start going up more sharply in the coming weeks. I hope I'm wrong and we don't get to the levels before but I'm preparing for some potential horrible numbers in the coming weeks and months.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 13, 2020
  • #33,887
Where has this myth about Sunak being competent come from? It is an incredibly superficial. From what I can see he's got no original thought, just wedded to the same orthodoxy that saw the country in a mess before Covid.
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Oct 13, 2020
  • #33,888
wingy said:
Who would set the agenda's here?
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A good question. Just for starters I would look at the petitions for Govt and choose the one which increases Utility but des not come into conflict with ECHR.

This would be better then the Blair/Brown years straight away.
 

David O'Day

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  • Oct 13, 2020
  • #33,889
fernandopartridge said:
Where has this myth about Sunak being competent come from? It is an incredibly superficial. From what I can see he's got no original thought, just wedded to the same orthodoxy that saw the country in a mess before Covid.
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Sunak is only seen as competent as he is compared to the other clowns in the cabinet. He's a lightweight. Sadly for the Tories they got rid of any one with an once of ability.
 
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  • Oct 13, 2020
  • #33,890
David O'Day said:
Sunak is only seen as competent as he is compared to the other clowns in the cabinet. He's a lightweight. Sadly for the Tories they got rid of any one with an once of ability.
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I get very worried that every time I see Jeremy Hunt, I think now there's a leader.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Oct 13, 2020
  • #33,891
Deleted member 5849 said:
I get very worried that every time I see Jeremy Hunt, I think now there's a leader.
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This the thing, in the kingdom of the blind the one eyed man with that eye hanging out of his head and with serious cataracts is king.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 13, 2020
  • #33,892
Big fall in Pillar 2 tests processed. This might be the fallout from them running out of reagents etc,
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 13, 2020
  • #33,893
fernandopartridge said:
Where has this myth about Sunak being competent come from? It is an incredibly superficial. From what I can see he's got no original thought, just wedded to the same orthodoxy that saw the country in a mess before Covid.
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Do you think the shadow chancellor looks competent - she’s hardly Nigel Lawson or Gordon Brown and between Sunak and her I’d know who I’d choose
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Oct 13, 2020
  • #33,894
I read somewhere that deaths were increasing by 6% a day over last month. Very steady figure. Seems local lockdowns have done nothing to push this figure down but just try to hold the virus at bay for as long as possible.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Oct 13, 2020
  • #33,895
fernandopartridge said:
Where has this myth about Sunak being competent come from? It is an incredibly superficial. From what I can see he's got no original thought, just wedded to the same orthodoxy that saw the country in a mess before Covid.
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In comparison to the PM and the rest of the cabinet it can’t be a difficult task to look competent.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 13, 2020
  • #33,896
Grendel said:
Do you think the shadow chancellor looks competent - she’s hardly Nigel Lawson or Gordon Brown and between Sunak and her I’d know who I’d choose
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Classic whataboutery. The answer is no I don't, as I've said before. I was talking about Sunak
 
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David O'Day

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  • Oct 13, 2020
  • #33,897
fernandopartridge said:
Classic whataboutery. The answer is no I don't, as I've said before. I was talking about Sunak
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Don't talk politics with Grenners, he's utterly clueless.
 

chiefdave

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  • Oct 13, 2020
  • #33,898
This seems back to front to me. Shouldn't the numbers dictate what tier an area is in, or at the very least shouldn't this be centrally controlled and not something thats up for discussion? Council's shouldn't be having to approach the government to be moved to the most suitable tier.
 
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Kieranp96

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  • Oct 13, 2020
  • #33,899
chiefdave said:
This seems back to front to me. Shouldn't the numbers dictate what tier an area is in, or at the very least shouldn't this be centrally controlled and not something thats up for discussion? Council's shouldn't be having to approach the government to be moved to the most suitable tier.
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Clearly want to. Act sooner rather than later but as per any decision gets hate good bad or what ever just stupid fucking politics.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 13, 2020
  • #33,900
chiefdave said:
This seems back to front to me. Shouldn't the numbers dictate what tier an area is in, or at the very least shouldn't this be centrally controlled and not something thats up for discussion? Council's shouldn't be having to approach the government to be moved to the most suitable tier.
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Disagree, it should always have been a local decision made locally. All central government should do is enable these decisions and provide resources for them to be enacted.
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Oct 14, 2020
  • #33,901
This is from the BBC a day ago.

"We're on track to have 100 deaths a day in next week or so, that's very much tracing some of those worst case scenarios, if the outbreak's increasing it doesn't bode well for November/December," said Dr Adam Kucharski, from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine and the modelling group that feeds advice to Sage, told me.

Covid-19: Are we still listening to the science?

Sage and Prof Chris Whitty appear at odds with the political decisions made by government.
www.bbc.co.uk

Today (Tuesday), we had 143 deaths...

According to the statistics, the worst case scenarios involve the deaths of over 120 000

Winter wave of coronavirus 'could be worse than first'

Modelling suggests there could be a deadly second peak, killing more than 100,000 people in the UK.
www.bbc.co.uk

The person who chaired the report said:

"This is not a prediction - but it is a possibility.

"The modelling suggests that deaths could be higher with a new wave of Covid-19 this winter.

"But the risk of this happening could be reduced if we take action immediately."

I know a few weeks back this report was being followed slightly mocked by some people on Twiter filling out the difference between the predicted and actual information.

I'm going to have a look around Twitter to see if this information is still being done.
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Oct 14, 2020
  • #33,902
I can't find what I am looking for but it does look like Greater Manchester and Lancashire will be going into Level 3 Lockdown tomorrow (Wednesday) as well.

It does make it sound like the government is doing stuff whilst the virus is growing to a point where people are dropping like flies all over the country.
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Oct 14, 2020
  • #33,903
Oh, this is back on the TV.

 
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wingy

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  • Oct 14, 2020
  • #33,904
Northern Ireland, not surprised .
Autonomy.
 

Skybluefaz

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  • Oct 14, 2020
  • #33,905

Ffs
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 14, 2020
  • #33,906
Skybluefaz said:

Ffs
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Makes no sense. Probably safer outside that inside
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 14, 2020
  • #33,907
Skybluefaz said:

Ffs
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They can still get slaughtered anyway, they just need to buy a pasty and chips!
 
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chiefdave

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  • Oct 14, 2020
  • #33,908
Skybluefaz said:

Ffs
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It was impossible to predict something like that would happen if you give people 48 hours lockdown notice,
 
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Skybluefaz

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  • Oct 14, 2020
  • #33,909
chiefdave said:
It was impossible to predict something like that would happen if you give people 48 hours lockdown notice,
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And force them all out at the same time? Yeah who could see it coming.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Oct 14, 2020
  • #33,910
Skybluefaz said:
And force them all out at the same time? Yeah who could see it coming.
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And throwing in a non staggered early closing time? Yeah who could of foreseen them all out on the streets at the same time.
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Oct 14, 2020
  • #33,911
Oh for fuck sake Northern Ireland, close all non-essential businesses before closing schools. Bunch of right wing assholes.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 14, 2020
  • #33,912
Philosorapter said:
Oh for fuck sake Northern Ireland, close all non-essential businesses before closing schools. Bunch of right wing assholes.
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tbf, schools seem the major centre of transmission.
 

chiefdave

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  • Oct 14, 2020
  • #33,913
Comical listening to Jenrick on LBC trying to explain what counts as a meal. Going to a pub and having a pasty and pint is out, going to the pub and having a pasty that comes with salad and a pint absolutely fine.
 
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Skybluefaz

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  • Oct 14, 2020
  • #33,914
chiefdave said:
Comical listening to Jenrick on LBC trying to explain what counts as a meal. Going to a pub and having a pasty and pint is out, going to the pub and having a pasty that comes with salad and a pint absolutely fine.
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Fucking hell
 
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djr8369

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  • Oct 14, 2020
  • #33,915
Some info here on how different activities affect the R rate, may be of interest.


 
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