clint van damme
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My mates gym has inspectors round first week they reopened. Wonder if the pubs are getting that scrutiny?
Have you been in a gym?
My gym is cleaner than most hospitals.
I think for the most part gyms are ok, pubs try to be but you can't account for people's behaviour with booze at the best of times so they'd be first in my list
I'd count as having an underlying health condition, but would otherwise be seen as healthy. It's an underlying health condition that's not visible or obvious, wouldn't have me shielded or kept off work, but would otherwise be a tick in a box.
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That's what it's about.
Doubt it. Same as supermarkets again.My mates gym has inspectors round first week they reopened. Wonder if the pubs are getting that scrutiny?
Sorry. But they need to shut pubs and gyms again. And as a result of the main demographic that seems to be spreading it. Close the schools vs closing pubs and gyms doesn’t really need discussion. It’s ultimately our children that are the generation that’s going to have to pay the biggest price of this pandemic regardless so let’s at least give them the best possible education under the circumstances to do that.
With the Xmas thing I wonder if they'll be suggesting not to send cards/presents just in case. Certainly telling people not to lick the envelopes anyway.
Well there isn't that massive peak of excess deaths, there despite measures being brought in to combat it, too.What do you do every winter when the usual suspects are abundant?
Proper inspection of places could be the way forward, anyway. Certain places seem to be more cautious than others, so they should maybe be allowed to stay open ahead of those who aren't as bothered.Have you been in a gym?
My gym is cleaner than most hospitals. Bottles of spray and wipes next to everything and people cleaning after use as well as staff doing laps cleaning.
I don’t care how clean it is, it’s an air born virus too and people puffing and panting in close proximity too each other is a risk. If it’s a choice between you going to the gym and my children going to the school you ain’t going to the gym.Have you been in a gym?
My gym is cleaner than most hospitals. Bottles of spray and wipes next to everything and people cleaning after use as well as staff doing laps cleaning.
Well there isn't that massive peak of excess deaths, there despite measures being brought in to combat it, too.
Bit of a flippant reply really.
Same with pubs. All the ones around us seem to be laying bands on to get people in. You then get a load of people shouting in each other’s faces to have a conversation.
Can’t help but feel that some joined up thinking not just from the government but also local authorities and landlords too could have delayed us getting to this point again or at least so quickly.
tbf, both Ian and I among others have pointed out that the risk from schools is passing on to others less able to deal with it.The death rate always picks up every winter so it’s not flippant, there are other unpleasant viruses around as well every year which will cause symptoms in nearly everyone who catch them as opposed to this one that makes a very high % asymptomatic. I may also be ‘acting flippant’ as some here are proposing that schools of 2000 on site be allowed to remain open with loads of households mixing and then wonder why the rate is going up. I will almost certainly get it between now and Christmas but have no option to refuse to go in.
Then ADM has suggested making us go in under these conditions and have us all kept inside for half term. Forgive me for ‘acting flippant’ under such circumstances
tbf, both Ian and I among others have pointed out that the risk from schools is passing on to others less able to deal with it.
It is flippant when there was an obvious, discernable, large boost above the average death rate. It's flippant and slightly insulting not to me, but people I care about who I have to worry about, too. It may be survival of the fittest, and I've already pointed out it is nature's way of saying we're over--populated, that there is an argument to let it do its thing... but to reduce it to a 'who cares' (which is how it's coming out, altgough I'm sure you don't intend that) is not helping my mood... You're not, after all, the only person who has to go in to places, and has no option but to go, and can't refuse to go in. If they almost certainly get it between now and Christmas, I'd rather them not be reduced to 'well they had underlying health issues' if that's all the same.
I don’t care how clean it is, it’s an air born virus too and people puffing and panting in close proximity too each other is a risk. If it’s a choice between you going to the gym and my children going to the school you ain’t going to the gym.
The death rate always picks up every winter so it’s not flippant, there are other unpleasant viruses around as well every year which will cause symptoms in nearly everyone who catch them as opposed to this one that makes a very high % asymptomatic. I may also be ‘acting flippant’ as some here are proposing that schools of 2000 on site be allowed to remain open with loads of households mixing and then wonder why the rate is going up. I will almost certainly get it between now and Christmas but have no option to refuse to go in.
Then ADM has suggested making us go in under these conditions and have us all kept inside for half term. Forgive me for ‘acting flippant’ under such circumstances
I would. I can buy a nearly new suit there for £5.You wouldnt notice any difference if they closed the town centre anyway
I would. I can buy a nearly new suit there for £5.
I've just heard that Wolson Grange care home is now shutting to all visitors for a month as a member of staff has just tested positive. It's a big care home and they've gone out of their way in the last few months to protect everyone. I feel really sorry for all concerned.tbf, both Ian and I among others have pointed out that the risk from schools is passing on to others less able to deal with it.
It is flippant when there was an obvious, discernable, large boost above the average death rate. It's flippant and slightly insulting not to me, but people I care about who I have to worry about, too. It may be survival of the fittest, and I've already pointed out it is nature's way of saying we're over--populated, that there is an argument to let it do its thing... but to reduce it to a 'who cares' (which is how it's coming out, altgough I'm sure you don't intend that) is not helping my mood... You're not, after all, the only person who has to go in to places, and has no option but to go, and can't refuse to go in. If they almost certainly get it between now and Christmas, I'd rather them not be reduced to 'well they had underlying health issues' if that's all the same.
We've no idea how someone who has had Covid will be if they pick up colds and flu over the winter as their lung capacity may have been affected and they struggle to get enough oxygen due to damaged lungs. And that may not be just the vulnerable - plenty of young, healthy people are saying that even months later they're still struggling with physical exertion. It could be argued those that have had Covid are now part of the vulnerable sector because they may have lung damage.
So even though Covid itself may not be strong enough to kill a young healthy person it could massively increase their susceptibility to other complications further on, or even premature death.
We seem to have a lot of people being blase about a situation we have no idea what the long term effects will be.
I haggled and got it down from £8. I thought I'd got a bargain.Youve been ripped off - must have seen you coming
Can anyone imagine the clamour for tests when the normal winter coughs and colds kick in ? It'll make the present lottery look thoroughly organised .We've no idea how someone who has had Covid will be if they pick up colds and flu over the winter as their lung capacity may have been affected and they struggle to get enough oxygen due to damaged lungs. And that may not be just the vulnerable - plenty of young, healthy people are saying that even months later they're still struggling with physical exertion. It could be argued those that have had Covid are now part of the vulnerable sector because they may have lung damage.
So even though Covid itself may not be strong enough to kill a young healthy person it could massively increase their susceptibility to other complications further on, or even premature death.
We seem to have a lot of people being blase about a situation we have no idea what the long term effects will be.
Can anyone imagine the clamour for tests when the normal winter coughs and colds kick in ? It'll make the present lottery look thoroughly organised .
Im thinking that as we are in unprecedented times the govt should just change the half term holidays to coincide with a lockdown, rather than the other way round. It might be impossible to put into action but what we don't need is a situation where we might have a short, sharp lockdown, the kids then go back to school for one week and then are off on holidays for another week. That would be stupid.Then let me teach them properly rather than in random rooms confined to a box
Im thinking that as we are in unprecedented times the govt should just change the half term holidays to coincide with a lockdown, rather than the other way round. It might be impossible to put into action but what we don't need is a situation where we might have a short, sharp lockdown, the kids then go back to school for one week and then are off on holidays for another week. That would be stupid.
No doubt it would fuck up people's holiday plans etc but anyone who books a holiday now is asking for it !
Having thought about the idea I'm dismissing it as unworkable, what with childcare planning etc. It seemed a good idea for about 15 minutes.You could but we've only been back for a few weeks and we would then be left with an enormous time between the earlier half term and Christmas. My view is if you want to do that, lock everything else down but let schools run under normal conditions. I would then mind less having to simultaneously teach remotely if in the classroom I was giving normal lessons.
Having thought about the idea I'm dismissing it as unworkable, what with childcare planning etc. It seemed a good idea for about 15 minutes.
Indeed. It's an indoor setting where the exertion will lead to heavy breathing and thus a far larger potential range of infection and viral load.
Surely that could be easily solved by having another week off in early November, take a week of the other holidays if you're worried about losing a week.You could but we've only been back for a few weeks and we would then be left with an enormous time between the earlier half term and Christmas. My view is if you want to do that, lock everything else down but let schools run under normal conditions. I would then mind less having to simultaneously teach remotely if in the classroom I was giving normal lessons.
Is that not an issue anyway with years, or even entire schools, being sent home for 2 weeks with no notice?Having thought about the idea I'm dismissing it as unworkable, what with childcare planning etc. It seemed a good idea for about 15 minutes.
Surely that could be easily solved by having another week off in early November, take a week of the other holidays if you're worried about losing a week.
It seems odd to me how the goalposts get moved so regularly without much mention. We had months of experts saying that to open schools up for the new term would need something to be closed to compensate, even if the R was stable. Yet when we get to the start of term we open schools up despite the fact the R is rising and don't shut anything else down.Close the schools vs closing pubs and gyms doesn’t really need discussion.
Im thinking that as we are in unprecedented times the govt should just change the half term holidays to coincide with a lockdown, rather than the other way round. It might be impossible to put into action but what we don't need is a situation where we might have a short, sharp lockdown, the kids then go back to school for one week and then are off on holidays for another week. That would be stupid.
No doubt it would fuck up people's holiday plans etc but anyone who books a holiday now is asking for it !
I like the thinking behind this although the pitfalls within it are clear. If the rate is increasing massively and requires a lockdown earlier than holiday times it's not going to be as effective in keeping things under control. It would probably be a little bit of a help but maybe not long enough to make enough of a difference.
So the next thought is make the holidays more flexible so lockdown can be introduced when needed without affecting overall time in school, but this makes it impossible to plan for with parents needing time off etc at short notice (although if it were lockdown they may arguably be at home anyway but would depend on the job and would most likely be a disadvatage to poorer families) It adds strain onto teachers as kids start to learn something then have a few weeks off and the topic needs to be redone and you effectively need to teach the syllabus to them twice.
The initial idea was supposed to be shut things down to allow schools to open which would be sensible but unpopular and has the that once you knew the kids were going back to school there would be a massive rush to go to the pub etc before they shut, and if you opened them during half term or whatever again the rush to get there during that short window would be problematic.
Perhaps a sort of timeshare should have been considered to enable both to continue operating to some degree so schools and businesses like pubs open alternately, say three weeks in school, two weeks out with summer holidays shortened as a result to try and reduce this clamour. Kids continue to get an education but economic reality is also given consideration. It wouldn't be ideal for either but would be a compromise, but this would've needed enough time so teachers and parents could plan ahead for this, so isn't feasible now.
Have you been to the gym?I don’t care how clean it is, it’s an air born virus too and people puffing and panting in close proximity too each other is a risk. If it’s a choice between you going to the gym and my children going to the school you ain’t going to the gym.
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