David O'Day
Well-Known Member
Cool lets not worry about anything then as some bloke on a cov city forum is looking for reasons why it's not that bad.
Im not saying it’s not increasing but it’s still a fraction of the population. I was just looking for the latest national sampling figures as that should give a reasonable indication, can’t see them at the moment and got some work to do. Will check
Cool lets not worry about anything then as some bloke on a cov city forum is looking for reasons why it's not that bad.
You’re figures are wrong though Steve. 1.2M tests is about 600K people. They count mouth and nasal swabs separately. Even then a number of people are having to do a second round of tests as the first were inconclusive/not properly swabbed/other reasons so the amount of people tested is probably lower still.Did I say that ?!! I’m fully aware of ‘how bad it is’...I’ve not seen my mum since March (as she’s asthmatic and in her 70s) and my ex wife hasn’t been able to see her mum who nearly died from a stroke a few weeks ago because of Covid restrictions in hospital. I’m just saying the proportion of people who have it is still very small (even those of thought they’d have who actually do is around 2%) and also the risk to most appears low.
Ive also said before that for me it’s keeping an eye on the hospital admissions and hoping they remain low/under control which can be done by shielding those most at risk.
You’re figures are wrong though Steve. 1.2M tests is about 600K people. They count mouth and nasal swabs separately. Even then a number of people are having to do a second round of tests as the first were inconclusive/not properly swabbed/other reasons so the amount of people tested is probably lower still.
This might be of interest.Im not saying it’s not increasing but it’s still a fraction of the population. I was just looking for the latest national sampling figures as that should give a reasonable indication, can’t see them at the moment and got some work to do. Will check
But isn't that because of the restrictions that have been in place? 41,628 deaths from 368,504 cases, that's more than 1 in 10 people who test positive dying. Are we really going back to the suggestion that we let it work its way through the population until we hit herd immunity?Understand. But the point remains the same Tony ie only a fraction of the population have got it. The sampling that’s carried out should provide a more accurate number
I think the actual case numbers are estimated anywhere around 3-4m. It will certainly not be anywhere near 10% death rate from the various studies around the world.But isn't that because of the restrictions that have been in place? 41,628 deaths from 368,504 cases, that's more than 1 in 10 people who test positive dying. Are we really going back to the suggestion that we let it work its way through the population until we hit herd immunity?
Buying 5 years worth of toilet paper in one shop is widespread panic. Being concerned about the number of cases rising is not a panic, being concerned that the spread is already breaking out of the young people demographic and finding its way back into care homes, which it is, is not a panic, it’s common sense.Understand. But the point remains the same Tony ie only a fraction of the population have got it. The sampling that’s carried out should provide a more accurate number
Edit - just trying to bring some perspective and stop widespread panic !!
But isn't that because of the restrictions that have been in place? 41,628 deaths from 368,504 cases, that's more than 1 in 10 people who test positive dying. Are we really going back to the suggestion that we let it work its way through the population until we hit herd immunity?
This of course illustrates the issue with not collecting enough data but lets go with 3.4m from the Imperial College recent study. Even if you take the bottom end figure for herd immunity to kick in at 60% you're still looking at half a million deaths. Now it may be the mortality rate changes if the most vulnerable caught it in the first wave but its a hell of a risk to take.I think the actual case numbers are estimated anywhere around 3-4m. It will certainly not be anywhere near 10% death rate from the various studies around the world.
You can't take lightly a rise in cases just because the death rate is relatively low. The death rate of course is a product of a healthcare system that is not overwhelmed. If cases rise to such a level that the healthcare system is overwhelmed then we really are screwed.
You can't take lightly a rise in cases just because the death rate is relatively low.
That's what happened in France but now the hospitalisations and deaths have started to rise there.
Didn't the 2nd waves in France and Spain start in the young and then spread to other parts of society?
Here's some more good news.
Imagine this life we have now for 4 years... Fuck that
Not entirely sure how it works. Presumably if the Cambridge University one comes off we're at the front of the queue. If its another vaccine that is the one we need are the pharma companies going to be dicks about who owns the rights or just let every country manufacture it themselves?Imagine this life we have now for 4 years... Fuck that
Imagine this life we have now for 4 years... Fuck that
I think alot of the population believe we will be vaccinated by next year... It's not going to go down well when they realise it could be upto 4 yearsThe FT story about vaccines was taking into account some of the large pre orders from Europe and the USA. I think it is just highlighting that those with the means to pay will get first service.
TBH I was never anticipating personally being able to get vaccinated in the next year or two, rightly the priority should be given to the highest risk. I think it'll end up like the flu vaccination programme. There might be commercially available vaccines for the rest.
Not entirely sure how it works. Presumably if the Cambridge University one comes off we're at the front of the queue. If its another vaccine that is the one we need are the pharma companies going to be dicks about who owns the rights or just let every country manufacture it themselves?
Couldn't read the story as the FT have it behind a paywall but I've found an Indian report which seems to come from the same interview. He works for the Serum Institute of India and seems to be suggesting that India doesn't have the infrastructure or manufacturing capacity to delver vaccines to 1.4bn people.The FT story about vaccines was taking into account some of the large pre orders from Europe and the USA. I think it is just highlighting that those with the means to pay will get first service.
TBH I was never anticipating personally being able to get vaccinated in the next year or two, rightly the priority should be given to the highest risk. I think it'll end up like the flu vaccination programme. There might be commercially available vaccines for the rest.
Seems to be making news now.
A national problem ffs
Is nobody 'in power' talking about this or has anybody been asked about it? Its a monumental fuckup even by our standards
Seems this is a country wide problem. How the hell is it not front page news?
All the hallmarks of a second wave and no one can get a test
Wife's just been told by GP to get tested.
On line booking system giving the m- the on live service is currently very busy, can't get through on the phone.
I've a feeling we're about to find out first hand what you've been talking about.
Good news about the exemption for grouse shooting though
That can’t come as a surprise really. People need to watch Contagion if things like this are really coming as a surprise.Here's some more good news.
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