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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 30, 2020
  • #29,191
Deleted member 5849 said:
What's the difference between pillar one and pillar two?
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  • Pillar 1: swab testing in Public Health England (PHE) labs and NHS hospitals for those with a clinical need, and health and care workers
  • Pillar 2: swab testing for the wider population, as set out in government guidance
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 30, 2020
  • #29,192
Brighton Sky Blue said:
  • Pillar 1: swab testing in Public Health England (PHE) labs and NHS hospitals for those with a clinical need, and health and care workers
  • Pillar 2: swab testing for the wider population, as set out in government guidance
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OK. I'd like to think that even our government wouldn't be mental enough to not report the latter.
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 30, 2020
  • #29,193
shmmeee said:
On cases, maybe maybe not:


Do we know if they’re reporting Pillar 1,2 or both in the briefings?

Also one more death than this time last week. Concerning.

Edit: yep looks like they’re only reporting around 20% of cases now. Of course they are.
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Full article.

Subscribe to read | Financial Times

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stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 30, 2020
  • #29,194
Deleted member 5849 said:
OK. I'd like to think that even our government wouldn't be mental enough to not report the latter.
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Unfortunately not

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chiefdave

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  • Jun 30, 2020
  • #29,195
shmmeee said:
Do we know if they’re reporting Pillar 1,2 or both in the briefings?
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Just reading about it. They've only been passing on full data on pillar 1 which is ridiculous as pillar 1 and 2 are exactly the same test, only difference is pillar 1 is carried out by the NHS and pillar 2 by private companies.

Of course no daily briefings anymore so they can't be questioned on this.
Central government could be sitting on data that masks the real number of coronavirus infections at a local level, a Financial Times investigation has revealed.

The number of new cases in the regions only includes pillar 1 data from hospitals and not pillar 2 from commercial labs and home tests.

It means that in places like Leicester, which has been forced back into lockdown this week, up to 90 per cent of new cases could have been missed by the local authorities, leading to a delayed response.

Local leaders have criticised the slow response from the Government and Public Health England (PHE) in sharing case and testing data for the city.

Leicester mayor Sir Peter Soulsby said he had been trying “for weeks” to access data on the level of testing in the city and was only given access last Thursday.

According to the most recent data, published on Monday, there have been 1,056 cases in Leicester since the outbreak began.

But Leicester City Council said that the latest figures it has received show there have been 3,216 Covid-19 cases confirmed in the city since the start of the pandemic.

A Public Health England official, who declined to be named, said non-publication was a ministerial decision.

“The Department for Health and Social Care need to make the decision to publish — and they should — but we can’t push them because we are their arms-length body.”

Kate Ardern, who leads health protection and emergency planning for Greater Manchester, said the information being sent to local authorities from tests conducted under pillar two lacked the granularity or timeliness needed to pre-empt an outbreak.

For the past two months she and colleagues had been making their concerns known to officials and ministers, she said.

“If I don’t know who is being tested, and getting positive tests, in the community because one of the major elements of the testing system isn’t currently sending me complete and reliable intelligence . . . it actually hampers our ability to get ahead of the curve on outbreak management,” said Ms Ardern.
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chiefdave

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  • Jun 30, 2020
  • #29,196
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The figure of 690 includes both pillars:

Number of coronavirus (COVID-19) cases in the UK
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But that's only for the national total. If you want to drill down into regional data it seems they're only providing data from pillar 1.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Jun 30, 2020
  • #29,197
Brighton Sky Blue said:
155 deaths today, 690 new infections.
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So deaths are relatively stagnant but infections are going down a bit... do you think this is because a drop in testing? Or conversely more people are dying in proportion to positive tests (and I know there is a time lag to factor in terms of positive test to death) - I wonder why?
 

chiefdave

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  • Jun 30, 2020
  • #29,198
Some good news for a change:
Death rate 'back to normal' in UK
 

Tommo1993

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  • Jun 30, 2020
  • #29,199
Such a bizarre headline
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 30, 2020
  • #29,200
Ian1779 said:
So deaths are relatively stagnant but infections are going down a bit... do you think this is because a drop in testing? Or conversely more people are dying in proportion to positive tests (and I know there is a time lag to factor in terms of positive test to death) - I wonder why?
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All things being equal you’d expect mortality to drop as time goes on and we learn to deal with the symptoms better. I can only assume it’s a change in testing. This is generally why I always go for deaths over cases.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 30, 2020
  • #29,201
chiefdave said:
But that's only for the national total. If you want to drill down into regional data it seems they're only providing data from pillar 1.
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Oh I agree, I was just commenting on the national data.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Jun 30, 2020
  • #29,202
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Oh I agree, I was just commenting on the national data.
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It seems a very odd thing to refuse to hand over. Going by the fact the Leicester mayor has said they have been trying to get hold of the data for weeks it seems unlikely its just an oversight and more that it has been withheld but what possible benefit can there be in doing that?
 

chiefdave

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  • Jun 30, 2020
  • #29,203
shmmeee said:
All things being equal you’d expect mortality to drop as time goes on and we learn to deal with the symptoms better. I can only assume it’s a change in testing. This is generally why I always go for deaths over cases.
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Definitely right to go with deaths. The testing data seems to be all over the place and when they won't release the number of people actually tested its virtually impossible to draw any reliable conclusions from the data they do publish.

Do they publish the number of people admitted to ICU and / or hospital? That might be a useful indicator, assuming the underlying data is solid so you can split out covid-19 cases from everything else.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 30, 2020
  • #29,204
The problem with the case data, particularly pillar 2 is how far it is lagged behind when somebody actually contracted the virus. They count a test sent out when it's sent, but it won't actually materialise as a positive until some weeks later, making the proportions look wrong.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jun 30, 2020
  • #29,205
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I bet you a pack of Tim Tams that you can!
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You buy proper Penguins like normal people! Not this foreign imitation shite.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jun 30, 2020
  • #29,206
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
We're still waiting for our new hospital in Liverpool......its only 3.5 years overdue, with the remedial works currently being undertaken to rectify the clusterfuck left by Carillion expected to cost nearly as much as the original budget.....

...Our governments have always been shit at infrastructure budgets & forecasts, but this current bunch of shysters are on a different level of incompetence.
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But all their mates are making a packet, so in their own eyes there doing a great job.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 30, 2020
  • #29,207
US buys up world stock of key Covid-19 drug

Arseholes.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jun 30, 2020
  • #29,208
Tommo1993 said:
Wish they’d stop cycling on the fucking road as well. No awareness.
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Terrible peripheral vision.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 30, 2020
  • #29,209
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
But all their mates are making a packet, so in their own eyes there doing a great job.
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Pork pies for the Yanks
Penguins for the Aussies
Bridges for the Paddies

Clowns for the Brits
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jun 30, 2020
  • #29,210
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #29,211
Sick Boy said:
US buys up world stock of key Covid-19 drug

Arseholes.
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Not even that key a drug, now evidence it actually saves lives. All they can say is it reduces the length of recovery on people who will recover anyway.

If there is an ebola issue now that will be much, much, much worse
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #29,212
Oh shit.

 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #29,213
shmmeee said:
Oh shit.

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More joy.
 
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Seamus1

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  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #29,214
David O'Day said:
Meanwhile back in Westminster we have tory on tory action
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Sounds like the worst porno ever!
 
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SkyBlueCRJ

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  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #29,215
shmmeee said:
Oh shit.

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Is this a new study? Researchers and clinicians in London discovered this weeks ago.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #29,216
SkyBlueCRJ said:
Is this a new study? Researchers and clinicians in London discovered this weeks ago.
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The linked article is dated 19th June so maybe not, I hadn’t heard of studies showing antibodies decreased. I think I got it at the start of lockdown which means my immunity is probably gone soon, just as lockdown ends. Concerning.
 
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SkyBlueCRJ

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  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #29,217
shmmeee said:
The linked article is dated 19th June so maybe not, I hadn’t heard of studies showing antibodies decreased. I think I got it at the start of lockdown which means my immunity is probably gone soon, just as lockdown ends. Concerning.
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Yeah it definitely is concerning. It's interesting as scientists/researchers/clinicians have hypothesising for months whether antibodies may not be long lasting or be the answer to squashing the virus. This was one of the reasons why the WHO were up in arms about the prospect of the UK pursuing the herd immunity tactic, as not only would it likely cause hundreds of thousands of preventable deaths but there was no evidence at the time to suggest that it would successfully muscle out the virus whatsoever.

Whilst the UK hasn't appropriately managed this crisis at all well, the latest findings show how devastating the situation could have gotten if our government's initial approach was left unchecked.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #29,218
SkyBlueCRJ said:
Yeah it definitely is concerning. It's interesting as scientists/researchers/clinicians have hypothesising for months whether antibodies may not be long lasting or be the answer to squashing the virus. This was one of the reasons why the WHO were up in arms about the prospect of the UK pursuing the herd immunity tactic, as not only would it likely cause hundreds of thousands of preventable deaths but there was no evidence at the time to suggest that it would successfully muscle out the virus whatsoever.

Whilst the UK hasn't appropriately managed this crisis at all well, the latest findings show how devastating the situation could have gotten if our government's initial approach was left unchecked.
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Oh goody praise Johnson and his cronies for saving us all
 
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SkyBlueCRJ

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  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #29,219
Sky Blue Pete said:
Oh goody praise Johnson and his cronies for saving us all
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Complete misinterpretation of the post, but okay.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #29,220
What a fuck up
still, so long as Dom can go on a bender, Boris ladddd!
 
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SkyBlueCRJ

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  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #29,221
skybluetony176 said:
What a fuck up
still, so long as Dom can go on a bender, Boris ladddd!
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This is the issue and why I think the re-opening of the pubs should've been postponed for another month. If the police can't enforce guidance, how does the government expect pub staff to ensure social distancing is adhered to after a few pints have been knocked back.
 
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Johnnythespider

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  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #29,222
SkyBlueCRJ said:
This is the issue and why I think the re-opening of the pubs should've been postponed for another month. If the police can't enforce guidance, how does the government expect pub staff to ensure social distancing is adhered to after a few pints have been knocked back.
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Not sure I'd want to be working in that environment, is it table srevice only or will there be screens up around the bar
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #29,223
SkyBlueCRJ said:
This is the issue and why I think the re-opening of the pubs should've been postponed for another month. If the police can't enforce guidance, how does the government expect pub staff to ensure social distancing is adhered to after a few pints have been knocked back.
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I guess they would say that as people are ordering through an app, staff can easily decline to serve people after a certain point. We’re giving it a try next week.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #29,224
Seamus1 said:
Sounds like the worst porno ever!
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Hasto be called Blue Movie
 

David O'Day

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  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #29,225
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Hasto be called Blue Movie
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Stop it, that's so disturbing that I may never be able to get an erection again. Just like Grendal.
 
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