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Nick

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  • Jun 7, 2020
  • #27,511
Grendel said:
Do you think if Mr Cummings had thrown acid over himself then others would copy as its clearly safe to do so? Your view of the lack of intelligence of people is very bewildering
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Aside from his eyesight bullshit story, he drove to his second house with his family and visited a castle.

In terms of the Corona stuff, it's not really on the same scale of thousands of people gathering.

That's not defending him, that's pointing out the obvious.
 

clint van damme

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  • Jun 7, 2020
  • #27,512
Grendel said:
Do you think if Mr Cummings had thrown acid over himself then others would copy as its clearly safe to do so? Your view of the lack of intelligence of people is very bewildering
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What would anyone get out of throwing acid on themself?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jun 7, 2020
  • #27,513
clint van damme said:
You can't look at this without the politics. It's a massive political issue.
And if the government had been clear and consistent throughout and people had ignored them then there'd be no debate, the members of the public ignoring them would be culpable.

And it's not about 5here being no protests it's about protests happening while obeying the guidelines. Ive given 3 examples of where this has happened. It's has been widely ignored in this country as we've all Seen
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You can look at it without politics. I couldn't give a shit about any political party.

Now if I compare something a city player did with something another teams player did I'd be massively biased.

I can look at how people need to be responsible for their own actions rather than trying to blame the government for them.

Who's fault is it if people gathering suddenly get Corona? I guess it depends on what party you vote for. It couldn't just be that people are acting like pricks themselves.

So you think people are ignoring the guidelines because of the government? I bet Boris Johnson made people throw bikes at police horses too.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jun 7, 2020
  • #27,514
Nick said:
You can look at it without politics. I couldn't give a shit about any political party.

Now if I compare something a city player did with something another teams player did I'd be massively biased.

I can look at how people need to be responsible for their own actions rather than trying to blame the government for them.
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You cannot look at it without politics. Politics is everywhere.
There are many high profile political issues in the mix of what has gone on in the last few months.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jun 7, 2020
  • #27,515
clint van damme said:
You cannot look at it without politics. Politics is everywhere.
There are many high profile political issues in the mix of what has gone on in the last few months.
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I can quite easily take a step back and not make it about politics and just make it about common sense.
 

clint van damme

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  • Jun 7, 2020
  • #27,516
Nick said:
I can quite easily take a step back and not make it about politics and just make it about common sense.
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If you look at individual instances maybe but 5his whole thing is highly political. It's just ridiculous to.pretend otherwise.

If we were in the same position.as New Zealand who do you think would be taking the credit?
Not the public or the scientists I can guarantee you
 
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Nick

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  • Jun 7, 2020
  • #27,517
clint van damme said:
If you look at individual instances maybe but 5his whole thing is highly political. It's just ridiculous to.pretend otherwise.

If we were in the same position.as New Zealand who do you think would be taking the credit?
Not the public or the scientists I can guarantee you
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I am not pretending otherwise, that's why I can easily take a step back.

I can't do that with ccfc but can quite easily with this.

It's common sense, not "everybody stay safe and keep away from others unless we can blame the government for it".

At this moment in time I don't care who takes the credit, I want Corona to fuck off. Then the changes can begin in the after math from everything we have seen during it.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 7, 2020
  • #27,518
clint van damme said:
If you look at individual instances maybe but 5his whole thing is highly political. It's just ridiculous to.pretend otherwise.

If we were in the same position.as New Zealand who do you think would be taking the credit?
Not the public or the scientists I can guarantee you
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Yep and it’s so lovely there is none of that from the New Zealand prime minister
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 7, 2020
  • #27,519
Ring Of Steel said:
I’m no expert, but I’d say those figures suggest that they’ll start turning on Boris soon enough, and the pro Gove factions will go in for the kill.
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Other than talking anecdotal nonsense you have displayed no expertise on politics or football since your entry on here

This poll is excellent for Johnson and Cummings. They have ridden a storm and lost only 4% points and that is also with a new Labour leader bounce. You seem to have no understanding at all on how politics actually operates. This has been a torrid time for Johnson and the Tory party and yet still across the whole country this poll puts them ahead. Also of course they will be far more interest in the marginal seats and the polling in these seats

You seem exited by this sort of thing. I would suggest you take a look at a person called Margaret Thatcher. She was a Prime Minister in the UK from 1979 through to beyond 1990. She scored popularity ratings at (60) at some points of her tenure and the party fared little better. I think her own popularity rating was around (11) averaged over the whole of her tenure.

So why on earth would you think this is an issue for a government with a massive majority and still a positive rating in the polls and 4 years left in office?

I hate to break this to you. I know this whole virus thing has been a great thrill for you and has bought you new found friends on social media but in 4 years time it will mean nothing. Absolutely nothing, The government will be measured on how its impacting every individual on an economic level. The irony here of course is that the big positive of this government - its economic response - could be its undoing in how it then attempts to deal with the financial payback. This will be the barometer.

Gove by the way cannot go in for the kill. Gove is a twerp who is favoured by the Murdoch press and very few others. I doubt he would even make a ballot of the members. He would be frozen out as were say Portillo and Heseltine in the past. What will probably happen is that Johnson will leave late in this term anyway as he is not in any shape or form a conviction politician. If Sunak retains his high ratings he will be the candidate of choice and will I think be a formidable opponent against a rather dull 60 plus year old white male with a title whose already endured 5 years in opposition and will just look - well - traditional and old.

Your "analysis" is absurd
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 7, 2020
  • #27,520
Grendel said:
Other than talking anecdotal nonsense you have displayed no expertise on politics or football since your entry on here

This poll is excellent for Johnson and Cummings. They have ridden a storm and lost only 4% points and that is also with a new Labour leader bounce. You seem to have no understanding at all on how politics actually operates. This has been a torrid time for Johnson and the Tory party and yet still across the whole country this poll puts them ahead. Also of course they will be far more interest in the marginal seats and the polling in these seats

You seem exited by this sort of thing. I would suggest you take a look at a person called Margaret Thatcher. She was a Prime Minister in the UK from 1979 through to beyond 1990. She scored popularity ratings at (60) at some points of her tenure and the party fared little better. I think her own popularity rating was around (11) averaged over the whole of her tenure.

So why on earth would you think this is an issue for a government with a massive majority and still a positive rating in the polls and 4 years left in office?

I hate to break this to you. I know this whole virus thing has been a great thrill for you and has bought you new found friends on social media but in 4 years time it will mean nothing. Absolutely nothing, The government will be measured on how its impacting every individual on an economic level. The irony here of course is that the big positive of this government - its economic response - could be its undoing in how it then attempts to deal with the financial payback. This will be the barometer.

Gove by the way cannot go in for the kill. Gove is a twerp who is favoured by the Murdoch press and very few others. I doubt he would even make a ballot of the members. He would be frozen out as were say Portillo and Heseltine in the past. What will probably happen is that Johnson will leave late in this term anyway as he is not in any shape or form a conviction politician. If Sunak retains his high ratings he will be the candidate of choice and will I think be a formidable opponent against a rather dull 60 plus year old white male with a title whose already endured 5 years in opposition and will just look - well - traditional and old.

Your "analysis" is absurd
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read a big article on Sunak earlier today. He comes across as very adaptable, (not adaptable in a Johnson way,. changing opinions to further himself), but as someone who can see the potential uncertainty ahead, (corona,Brexit), and who can change course to suit.
One of the very few Tories that actually impresses me.

edit - actually, one of the few politicians who impresses me.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 7, 2020
  • #27,521
Grendel said:
This poll is excellent for Johnson and Cummings. They have ridden a storm and lost only 4% points and that is also with a new Labour leader bounce.
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It may be 'excellent' for them but it's poor for the country and society as a whole. That people could fuck up so much and still garner enough support just because they're on the same side as them is a terrible indictment of where we stand. And I've no doubt it would be the same the other way round had Labour been in. If the same things had been done under a Labour govt do you think those same people would still be saying " it was the right thing to do"? No, they'd be demanding answers and calling the whole thing an absolute disaster. Stuff being criticised as idiocy by one side suddenly becomes a brilliant idea when adopted by the other.

It's showing that this is no longer a democracy based on rational thought and critical analysis of policy- it's a gang war bordering on cult. The actions are irrelvant - it's who's doing the actions.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jun 7, 2020
  • #27,522
clint van damme said:
read a big article on Sunak earlier today. He comes across as very adaptable, (not adaptable in a Johnson way,. changing opinions to further himself), but as someone who can see the potential uncertainty ahead, (corona,Brexit), and who can change course to suit.
One of the very few Tories that actually impresses me.
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He's still hard-right economically and follows the mantra of economy before everything. He'll be cuts/austerity to balance the books when this is over I guarantee it.

He'd be more on the ball than Johnson, but he'd in no way be progressive.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jun 7, 2020
  • #27,523
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
He's still hard-right economically and follows the mantra of economy before everything. He'll be cuts/austerity to balance the books when this is over I guarantee it.

He'd be more on the ball than Johnson, but he'd in no way be progressive.
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well I can only go on what I read and in no way would I take the word of a (tory) politician but it doesn't sound like hes going to go down a hard austerity route.
Personally, this time around I can stomach a certain amount of cuts given why the government has had to borrow and who has benefited, (easy to say when you're not at the sharp end I know).

Going through it and the misery it caused to undo the mess made by the banks was unforgivable.
 

chiefdave

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  • Jun 7, 2020
  • #27,524
Great news from Scotland. Obviously only 1 day and the weekend reporting issue to take into account but can't really see this as anything but a positive.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 7, 2020
  • #27,525
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
It may be 'excellent' for them but it's poor for the country and society as a whole. That people could fuck up so much and still garner enough support just because they're on the same side as them is a terrible indictment of where we stand. And I've no doubt it would be the same the other way round had Labour been in. If the same things had been done under a Labour govt do you think those same people would still be saying " it was the right thing to do"? No, they'd be demanding answers and calling the whole thing an absolute disaster. Stuff being criticised as idiocy by one side suddenly because a brilliant idea when adopted by the other.

It's showing that this is no longer a democracy based on rational thought and critical analysis of policy- it's a gang war bordering on cult. The actions are irrelvant - it's who's doing the actions.
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It's why the US and UK are the embarrassments of the developed world when it comes to Covid and other things
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jun 7, 2020
  • #27,526
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Conservatives still ahead though ennit
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It was 15 points 2 weeks ago Dim

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 7, 2020
  • #27,527
I know it's a Sunday etc but to see deaths in double figures does feel like a small bright point. Although the thought of seeing less than a hundred people die in a day as a bright point is itself a bit depressing. It's still a lot of grief stricken family and friends who's lives have changed forever.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 7, 2020
  • #27,528
That is good and 1300 infections

I think when that is in three figures and Em deaths in 2 figures we will be getting there
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 7, 2020
  • #27,529
clint van damme said:
read a big article on Sunak earlier today. He comes across as very adaptable, (not adaptable in a Johnson way,. changing opinions to further himself), but as someone who can see the potential uncertainty ahead, (corona,Brexit), and who can change course to suit.
One of the very few Tories that actually impresses me.

edit - actually, one of the few politicians who impresses me.
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I'm really really not sure why he's impressed you. Let's wait and see how he behaves in the post covid world, the signs are not good.
The furlough scheme and self employed support were / are to stop absolute economic collapse.

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jun 7, 2020
  • #27,530
fernandopartridge said:
I'm really really not sure why he's impressed you. Let's wait and see how he behaves in the post covid world, the signs are not good.
The furlough scheme and self employed support were / are to stop absolute economic collapse.

Sent from my ELE-L29 using Tapatalk
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He also jumped on the "save Cummings" bandwagon so hardly a model of integrity.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 7, 2020
  • #27,531
Sunak has no ideas for helping with demand either

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Skybluefaz

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  • Jun 7, 2020
  • #27,532
Good to see deaths below 3 figures. Really ready for this thing to fuck off now
 
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BackRoomRummermill

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  • Jun 7, 2020
  • #27,533
Let’s hope it don’t go back up R over 1 , I see Cov is one of the less effected areas
 

SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 7, 2020
  • #27,534

Couldn’t be more true, can’t see why most things can’t be open by the start of July now let’s hope they are
 

clint van damme

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  • Jun 7, 2020
  • #27,535
SkyBlueDom26 said:

Couldn’t be more true, can’t see why most things can’t be open by the start of July now let’s hope they are
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most things are going to be but that won't include pubs I'm fairly sure.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 7, 2020
  • #27,536
clint van damme said:
most things are going to be but that won't include pubs I'm fairly sure.
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Would be very useful to know if hotels will be or if we're going to follow Northern Ireland's date for them
 

chiefdave

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  • Jun 7, 2020
  • #27,537
clint van damme said:
most things are going to be but that won't include pubs I'm fairly sure.
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From speaking with owners of smaller music venues, which are essentially pubs, seems they've been told to be ready for July 4th. They've been told social distancing measures need to be in place but can't get any detail of what that actually means.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jun 7, 2020
  • #27,538
chiefdave said:
From speaking with owners of smaller music venues, which are essentially pubs, seems they've been told to be ready for July 4th. They've been told social distancing measures need to be in place but can't get any detail of what that actually means.
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that would be good news.
I think a lot of small businesses will still struggle if they have to enforce social distancing but at least it gives them half a chance.
 

chiefdave

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  • Jun 7, 2020
  • #27,539
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Would be very useful to know if hotels will be or if we're going to follow Northern Ireland's date for them
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clint van damme said:
that would be good news.
I think a lot of small businesses will still struggle if they have to enforce social distancing but at least it gives them half a chance.
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Some hotels are working to July 4th as well. Already seen a report that all the hotels in Cornwall that have started taking bookings are sold out.

Biggest issue seems to be lack of communication. The businesses aren't being given detail on what they can or can't do which makes it near impossible to plan ahead. Judging by what's happened with other businesses they will find out when its announced at the daily briefing with virtually no time to prepare.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 7, 2020
  • #27,540
chiefdave said:
Some hotels are working to July 4th as well. Already seen a report that all the hotels in Cornwall that have started taking bookings are sold out.

Biggest issue seems to be lack of communication. The businesses aren't being given detail on what they can or can't do which makes it near impossible to plan ahead. Judging by what's happened with other businesses they will find out when its announced at the daily briefing with virtually no time to prepare.
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I had them booked either side of going abroad, and have pretty late free cancellation. If they're not open we'll have to spend a small fortune on taxis to and from the airport due to the flight times.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 7, 2020
  • #27,541
chiefdave said:
Some hotels are working to July 4th as well. Already seen a report that all the hotels in Cornwall that have started taking bookings are sold out.

Biggest issue seems to be lack of communication. The businesses aren't being given detail on what they can or can't do which makes it near impossible to plan ahead. Judging by what's happened with other businesses they will find out when its announced at the daily briefing with virtually no time to prepare.
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I bet large businesses owned by Tory donors will know what’s coming.
 
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robbiekeane

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  • Jun 8, 2020
  • #27,542
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
It's showing that this is no longer a democracy based on rational thought and critical analysis of policy- it's a gang war bordering on cult. The actions are irrelvant - it's who's doing the actions.
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This is what pisses me off more than anything and I think people are unaware of how much credibility it takes away from their arguments. For some, no matter what is done it’s wrong because it’s not their party doing it.

Funnily enough, come to think of it on here it’s the same people who cry about anyone criticizing a city team performance. Unable to be objective or think exercise any form of critical thinking.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 8, 2020
  • #27,543
robbiekeane said:
This is what pisses me off more than anything and I think people are unaware of how much credibility it takes away from their arguments. For some, no matter what is done it’s wrong because it’s not their party doing it.

Funnily enough, come to think of it on here it’s the same people who cry about anyone criticizing a city team performance. Unable to be objective or think exercise any form of critical thinking.
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“I hate it when people make it all about teams, it’s all those people on the other teams fault!”

 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Jun 8, 2020
  • #27,544
Seems like the virus is dying out in lots of places, I think come August It will be like SARS and just disappear...... can’t see a second wave as it’s becoming weaker and weaker
 

ajsccfc

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  • Jun 8, 2020
  • #27,545
Where have you seen this? I'd love this to be the case
 
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