Have job actually listened to what he says ?!
what do you mean shown up ? The premier league (with EFL following) has made a decision for themselves not the fans. Do you believe if arteta, Hudson-odoi and others that aren’t available and teams werent in self isolation, they would’ve suspended fixtures ?!
By shown up I mean they've basically ignored the government's advice and taken a decision themselves, that will cost them tens/hundreds of millions of pounds, because they clearly don't trust the government's recommendations and think it's safer for everyone to cancel/postpone.
You don’t agree that herd immunity is what’s necessary? Why? What do you know? Seems to make sense to me. Have you seen the death toll in Italy and China? We don’t know. You don’t know.What? I'm not just reading the headlines. I have done plenty of reading on the subject and my opinion was, and has been for a while, that we haven't been doing anywhere near enough. And my opinion on the latest news is that it's too late and has been an appalling response to this crisis.
I say again, almost every other country on the planet has put in stricter measures than we have. We've had the 'benefit' of seeing what's happened in Italy and Spain and our government's response was literally: 'let everyone catch it.'
I mean come on, that is just disgusting.
No way that’s not why they’ve done it at all.By shown up I mean they've basically ignored the government's advice and taken a decision themselves, that will cost them tens/hundreds of millions of pounds, because they clearly don't trust the government's recommendations and think it's safer for everyone (players, fans, whoever) to cancel/postpone.
65 pages for the flu
this could beat the Conor Chaplin thread
You don’t agree that herd immunity is what’s necessary? Why? What do you know? Seems to make sense to me. Have you seen the death toll in Italy and China? We don’t know. You don’t know.
You don’t agree that herd immunity is what’s necessary? Why? What do you know? Seems to make sense to me. Have you seen the death toll in Italy and China? We don’t know. You don’t know.
Really? Well I think we may find out in the longer term and I mean years rather than today or tomorrow or even this month. Is your success criteria taking obvious action or number of deaths being limited?I’m going for the Brexit thread record.
As it turns out the experts and the government don’t really have much idea either.
I only know about France as my wife and younger kids live there. Got back Sunday night after nearly 3 weeks there.Kind of is. Ok, they are wheeling out experts and following their advice, but we don’t know what parameters those experts have been asked to work under. And before I get shot down I’m not claiming they are deliberately killing people, just that every country has a balance to strike between the economy and public health (the two are not mutually exclusive tbf). Other countries appear from some perspectives to be swinging more towards the public health aspect of this situation than we do.
Night sirNo I don't know, you're correct. But pretty much everything I have read suggests that it is not the best way to deal with such a virus hence why, and I keep repeating myself here, every other country put strict measures in place. Nobody did less than us.
Are we total maverick geniuses and every other country on earth has got it wrong? Seems unlikely. Seems even less likely now they are starting to backtrack...
Anyway, I'm off to bed. Night all.
Really? Well I think we may find out in the longer term and I mean years rather than today or tomorrow or even this month. Is your success criteria taking obvious action or number of deaths being limited?
What? I'm not just reading the headlines. I have done plenty of reading on the subject and my opinion was, and has been for a while, that we haven't been doing anywhere near enough. And my opinion on the latest news is that it's too late and has been an appalling response to this crisis.
I say again, almost every other country on the planet has put in stricter measures than we have. We've had the 'benefit' of seeing what's happened in Italy and Spain and our government's response was literally: 'let everyone catch it.'
I mean come on, that is just disgusting.
No indignation. Genuine question. And if you think you no better than them explain why. No one has been shown up by the premier league taking a decision that had nothing to do with public health and everything to do with molly coddling highly paid athletes who are upset about things. I just wonder what your success criteria is?Listen- you don’t get to question me, you don’t get to make out I need to have all the answers, there are people whose job it is to make these decisions, and so far they’ve ignored everything elsewhere in the world, been shown up by the Premier League and sporting events, and now been forced to do an about face. That’s not my issue, it’s theirs, so cut the indignation at me and aim it where it needs to go.
SameAnd apologies if I came off rude to anyone.
It was not my intention, but these are worrying times and it's easy to get a bit fraught.
But Boris is still a c**t
You mean the mollycoddled highly paid athletes who were tested positive and who come into close contact with lots of others on a daily basis?No indignation. Genome question. And if you think you no better than them explain why. No one has been shown up by the premier league taking a decision that had nothing to do with public health and everything to do with molly coddling highly paid athletes who are upset about things. I just wonder what your success criteria is?
the government is wanting to limit the number of deaths, seems pretty reasonable as an aim doesn’t it?
If they were following advice to the letter why were the rest of the world’sSomehow this makes sense to you. I'm lost.
Just clarify. What do you want them to do? Follow the advice? You didn't like that. Bow to pressure and ignore the advice? You don't like that either.
Why are national league games on?You mean the mollycoddled highly paid athletes who were tested positive and who come into close contact with lots of others on a daily basis?
That’s such a weird thing to say, you’re making no sense.
That's clearly the aim. This is a graphic published in the Lancet. The policy was all about avoiding the blue line and the second wave.View attachment 14411
It seems that some want what is best for themselves but also want to use it to bash politicians they don't like/from a different party they vote for.Somehow this makes sense to you. I'm lost.
Just clarify. What do you want them to do? Follow the advice? You didn't like that. Bow to pressure and ignore the advice? You don't like that either.
Looks like Italy will be worst than China, let's hope not but Spain Germany and France are all climbing with cases now. Herd immunity is a excellent idea they should possibly start helping it infecting healthy people on porpoiseYou don’t agree that herd immunity is what’s necessary? Why? What do you know? Seems to make sense to me. Have you seen the death toll in Italy and China? We don’t know. You don’t know.
Why are national league games on?
Looks like Italy will be worst than China, let's hope not but Spain Germany and France are all climbing with cases now. Herd immunity is a excellent idea they should possibly start helping it infecting healthy people on porpoise
Surley makes sense, if there just going to let it run its course.talk about sanity slipping, from what I can glean from that we’re now promoting infecting people and sticking them on dolphins.
I can’t deal with your posts right nowSurley makes sense, if there just going to let it run its course.
Why because I'm speaking facts? I'm assuming you didn't listen to the guys on TV yesterday saying they want 60% of the UK immuneI can’t deal with your posts right now
The editor of the Lancet was actually one of the ones who was criticising the UKs approach, Richard Horton I think he’s called.
I’m almost at coronavirus saturation point.
Porpoises won't catch it I don't thinkLooks like Italy will be worst than China, let's hope not but Spain Germany and France are all climbing with cases now. Herd immunity is a excellent idea they should possibly start helping it infecting healthy people on porpoise
"purpose", no idea how I spelt it but my auto correct changed it to that.Porpoises won't catch it I don't think
So you are saying that we should have shut down life as we know it when we hardly had any cases of the virus in the UK because it had spread around the globe?What? I'm not just reading the headlines. I have done plenty of reading on the subject and my opinion was, and has been for a while, that we haven't been doing anywhere near enough. And my opinion on the latest news is that it's too late and has been an appalling response to this crisis.
I say again, almost every other country on the planet has put in stricter measures than we have. We've had the 'benefit' of seeing what's happened in Italy and Spain and our government's response was literally: 'let everyone catch it.'
I mean come on, that is just disgusting.
200 something cases today, number will only grow and grow.So you are saying that we should have shut down life as we know it when we hardly had any cases of the virus in the UK because it had spread around the globe?
Should we have banned flights from any country that has had cases of the virus? Should we ban people travelling?
As has been said previously if it was so far out other political parties would have been Tory bashing by now. As we all know they bash each other for the slightest reason when they can.
But step outside your front door. Look at anything you want. Someone makes a living out of everything you can see. Should we all just sit inside where we live until it is all over? Should we stop people making a living? Or should we let people continue for as long as we can as safely as we can?
If we hide totally from it how long will we have to hide away? If it isn't just shut ourselves away what would we be allowed to do? Would we still be allowed to go shopping? If not hiw about those who couldn't afford to buy everything needed for a long quarantine?
The whole thing is unprecedented in modern times. Everyone has their own idea what should happen. Can you imagine being the person to make all the final decisions? Millions will be unhappy whatever you decide. Life v saving life. Not an easy call.
There is no panic, worry yea for the elder people the backbone that this country was built on but other than that I will continue with my life unless I run out of shit roll.The mortality rate is estimated at 1 percent, why the panic?
1% of 100 million is 100k NHS would collapse. I know 100k wouldn't get infected but just a example.The mortality rate is estimated at 1 percent, why the panic?
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