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Grendel

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  • May 11, 2020
  • #22,051
hill83 said:
So just fucking say that then.

And for the record, I don't care, I won't be taking the risk with my son.
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But then this is irrational fear isn’t it? Statistically your child has more chance of dying going to school than being there. You are not stupid so surely this is irrational fear over logic and this is permeating they whole thread - it’s a bunker mentality with no solutions
 

hill83

Well-Known Member
  • May 11, 2020
  • #22,052
Grendel said:
But then this is irrational fear isn’t it? Statistically your child has more chance of dying going to school than being there. You are not stupid so surely this is irrational fear over logic and this is permeating they whole thread - it’s a bunker mentality with no solutions
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stupot07

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  • May 11, 2020
  • #22,053
By sending children to school you're increasing their R and therefore the R of the whole nation.

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hill83

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  • May 11, 2020
  • #22,054
Plus he won't be dying going to school if he's not going to school will he Sherlock
 

fernandopartridge

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  • May 11, 2020
  • #22,055
Grendel said:
How many school aged children have died if the virus?
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It isn't just about the children themselves, it's their superb virus spreading talents which are the bigger problem.
 
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wingy

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  • May 11, 2020
  • #22,056
Disappointing to hear Germany's R rate has increased from 0.6 last week to 1.13 this.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 11, 2020
  • #22,057
hill83 said:
Plus he won't be dying going to school if he's not going to school will he Sherlock
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G seems to think that teachers are doing what they can to avoid going back in. I don’t know about Ian or the others but I hate this way of working and want to get back in a classroom. But I don’t want to do that until my older or more vulnerable colleagues can do it safely
 
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Ian1779

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  • May 11, 2020
  • #22,058
Social distancing is in place for a reason. Whether they are kids or not is kind of irrelevant. Can their ‘workplace’ provide it? If not then they shouldn’t be going in.
 

Grendel

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  • May 11, 2020
  • #22,059
stupot07 said:
By sending children to school you're increasing their R and therefore the R of the whole nation.

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So we should close until a cure is found? This could take 5 years. So will we close for 5 years?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • May 11, 2020
  • #22,060
wingy said:
Disappointing to hear Germany's R rate has increased from 0.6 last week to 1.13 this.
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We have an opportunity, as we're behind just about everybody else in what's going on, to see what happens with them, and learn from it.

I'd like to think we'd take it!
 
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Grendel

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  • May 11, 2020
  • #22,061
Brighton Sky Blue said:
G seems to think that teachers are doing what they can to avoid going back in. I don’t know about Ian or the others but I hate this way of working and want to get back in a classroom. But I don’t want to do that until my older or more vulnerable colleagues can do it safely
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Dear me I’m not saying this at all. I’m trying to get some actual discussion on the way forward and not this hysterical nonsense.
 

hill83

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  • May 11, 2020
  • #22,062
I'm fully on board with critical thinking in all of it's forms. But I've got to draw the line at the safety of my son, irrational or not I genuinely don't give a fuck. Must be a built in thing.
Plus I don't trust the governments stance on any of this one bit.

As for actual discussion on the way forward? Not a clue.
Magic pixie dust? Ask him to stay alert? He coughed directly into my mouth this morning.

Edit: I'm sounding dangerously like some anti vax lunatic here. Fuck this whole situation.
 
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stupot07

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  • May 11, 2020
  • #22,063
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 11, 2020
  • #22,064
Grendel said:
So we should close until a cure is found? This could take 5 years. So will we close for 5 years?
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We should close until we have sufficient data on the virus and it’s transmission, in particular with regards to groups with minimal death rates. But half in half out at school is unworkable if combined with remote learning arrangements
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • May 11, 2020
  • #22,065
wingy said:
Disappointing to hear Germany's R rate has increased from 0.6 last week to 1.13 this.
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I find it laughab
Grendel said:
Dear me I’m not saying this at all. I’m trying to get some actual discussion on the way forward and not this hysterical nonsense.
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The way forward is not reopening schools when the infection data is so unreliable and the number of people infected so high.
 

stupot07

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  • May 11, 2020
  • #22,066
Grendel said:
So we should close until a cure is found? This could take 5 years. So will we close for 5 years?
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We should do whatever is required to minimise the number of unnecessary deaths.

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Grendel

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  • May 11, 2020
  • #22,067
Ian1779 said:
Social distancing is in place for a reason. Whether they are kids or not is kind of irrelevant. Can their ‘workplace’ provide it? If not then they shouldn’t be going in.
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Then we close schools until a vaccine and ban all contact sports?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 11, 2020
  • #22,068
Grendel said:
Dear me I’m not saying this at all. I’m trying to get some actual discussion on the way forward and not this hysterical nonsense.
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You’re suggesting that we’re being over cautious and to back it up you’ve just said that hardly any children have died while ignoring transmission or infection amongst the staff.

Actually come to think of it your denial of us topping the death table basically nullifies what you’ve got to say here
 

Grendel

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  • May 11, 2020
  • #22,069
stupot07 said:
We should do whatever is necessary to minimise the number of deaths.

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So until a vaccine then? That’s gross austerity isn’t it? So will that not create deaths through other means? Didn’t someone claim 200,000 deaths through austerity? So this will be a lot more severe if no one works or is educated for years? How many? A million?
 
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Grendel

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  • May 11, 2020
  • #22,070
Brighton Sky Blue said:
You’re suggesting that we’re being over cautious and to back it up you’ve just said that hardly any children have died while ignoring transmission or infection amongst the staff.

Actually come to think of it your denial of us topping the death table basically nullifies what you’ve got to say here
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I’m trying to have a sensible discussion. I assume then Coronavirus deaths will vanish at a point in time? When in your scientific view will this be? And when can a society have renewed freedom and no additional deaths with no cure?
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • May 11, 2020
  • #22,071
fernandopartridge said:
I find it laughab


The way forward is not reopening schools when the infection data is so unreliable and the number of people infected so high.
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You find the R number going up laughable? Wtf
 

stupot07

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  • May 11, 2020
  • #22,072
Grendel said:
So until a vaccine then? That’s gross austerity isn’t it? So will that not create deaths through other means? Didn’t someone claim 200,000 deaths through austerity? So this will be a lot more severe if no one works or is educated for years? How many? A million?
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Go on tell us the solution? You're wasted on here you should be on SAGE.

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fernandopartridge

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  • May 11, 2020
  • #22,073
SkyBlueDom26 said:
You find the R number going up laughable? Wtf
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I mixed up two draft posts. I find it laughable that the UK is estimating that the R rate is less than 1.
 
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hill83

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  • May 11, 2020
  • #22,074
fernandopartridge said:
I mixed up two draft posts. I find it laughable that the UK is estimating that the R rate is less than 1.
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Don't try and back out of it now. You maniac.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • May 11, 2020
  • #22,075
Grendel said:
So until a vaccine then? That’s gross austerity isn’t it? So will that not create deaths through other means? Didn’t someone claim 200,000 deaths through austerity? So this will be a lot more severe if no one works or is educated for years? How many? A million?
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Well that hysterical list is based on the premise of austerity being strictly necessary
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 11, 2020
  • #22,076
Grendel said:
I’m trying to have a sensible discussion. I assume then Coronavirus deaths will vanish at a point in time? When in your scientific view will this be? And when can a society have renewed freedom and no additional deaths with no cure?
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Well that may only happen either with a vaccine or anti viral drug. I don’t advocate indefinite lockdown but I am saying that if we can reliably work out just how many have been infected and establish which groups are at minimal risk then they could return to normality. I think that’s more realistic in the short-medium term.

What you are suggesting is unwise given we just don’t have the information on transmission or immunity post infection-but I think we could get there in good time
 

Grendel

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  • May 11, 2020
  • #22,077
stupot07 said:
Go on tell us the solution? You're wasted on here you should be on SAGE.

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That’s the point of making. Everyone on here is mindlessly ranting and not offering any thoughts on a way forward
 
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  • May 11, 2020
  • #22,078
Grendel said:
I’m trying to have a sensible discussion.
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First time for everything I guess...

Anyway, my alternative question would be why children have to go back *now*? Having been off, what difference would another few weeks make? Having taken them off, is there an argument for, if you must bring them back, taking the summer holidays now and giving time for a properly planned return?

If I was confident there were a worked plan, I'd be confident myself. Obviously there will always be some risk, that's the nature of life but, having shut us down, there needs some proper thought about what to do next rather than, as it seems, a desire to reopen as everybody else is doing it.
 
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clint van damme

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  • May 11, 2020
  • #22,079
Grendel said:
Then we close schools until a vaccine and ban all contact sports?
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There may come a point where we have to concede we have to live with this and all we can do is try to adapt to minimize the damage but we're a while away from that yet.
As NW said were a few weeks behind some countries. Let's wait and see how they get on.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 11, 2020
  • #22,080
Grendel said:
That’s the point of making. Everyone on here is mindlessly ranting and not offering any thoughts on a way forward
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I have done but you can’t seem to acknowledge just how badly this country has managed it. Until you can at least accept the figures then you won’t accept solutions based on those being correct
 
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Grendel

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  • May 11, 2020
  • #22,081
fernandopartridge said:
Well that hysterical list is based on the premise of austerity being strictly necessary
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Some reports say a third of pubs will go under. Many businesses relying on the tourist sector will be dead if they can’t open - the airline industry is screwed anyway I’d guess as if the travel industry in general. Debt will be as a % of GDP higher than ever and this is a best case scenario of recovering some semblance of normality in the relative near future across the whole of Europe. That’s austerity with a capital A
 
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  • May 11, 2020
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clint van damme said:
There may come a point where we have to concede we have to live with this and all we can do is try to adapt to minimize the damage but we're a while away from that yet.
As NW said were a few weeks behind some countries. Let's wait and see how they get on.
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This is what I don't really get. We were later closing and, tbh, I'm still sympathetic to that. Having bought into the same kind of pattern as other countries however, why rush to catch them up in the same stages? We actually, potentially, have an advantage over other countries in watching and learning.
 
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Skybluefaz

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  • May 11, 2020
  • #22,083
https://t.co/w6ptBdXgv6?amp=1

The plan
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 11, 2020
  • #22,084
Deleted member 5849 said:
This is what I don't really get. We were later closing and, tbh, I'm still sympathetic to that. Having bought into the same kind of pattern as other countries however, why rush to catch them up in the same stages? We actually, potentially, have an advantage over other countries in watching and learning.
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Because the new strategy is to copy everyone else
 
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  • May 11, 2020
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Because the new strategy is to copy everyone else
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Apart from when it comes to apps and other things!
 
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