Ring Of Steel
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Nobody has any idea what the rate of climb is or isn't, you just said yourself that confirmed numbers are irrelevant?
No I’m saying the rate of climb here is very different due to better containment which has yielded much lower numbers. No one seems to acknowledge that most health experts are fairly consistent that containment is largely impossible and that all that can be done is to manage health services for those who need it and that 90% of those infected will not even be troubled by it. In the end global containment is impossible and people cannot build up immunity without significant infection - no one can answer why school closures is good it’s an horrendous strategy
I've made a decision to stop shaking hands with people. Nothing to do with Corona virus. It's that nobody has bog Rolls
This thing is escalating on a dairy basis ‘hourly even’ if Cheltenham were takingHow many people are at Cheltenham today crammed into Gazebos?
We're following the general trend very closely.
Hong Kong and Singapore put early stringent measures in and surprise surprise they're doing better than anyone else at containing it.
Stop being sensible. People wont like it
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This thing is escalating on a dairy basis ‘hourly even’ if Cheltenham were taking
Place next week it would be cancelled ‘no question.
If anyone had told me at the Ipswich game last Saturday that the league would
Be cancelled I’d have laughed in their face......and yet here we are.
Is he comparing the actions needed in 2 small city states to the actions needed in the uk?Have you ever been to either of these places?
How much is it the media / social media escalating everything? People fucking fighting over toilet paper because of panic.
The media have lost the plot. Take a look at this car-crash. Has there been a more alarmist, misleading newspaper headline in the last 10 years?
Just a few points for the several posters falling over themselves to try and sound smart by repeating what the government experts said last night or saying the whole thing is hyperbole.
Most of us saw the press conference last night and understand what the plan is so please stop condescendingly explaining it to everyone on the thread.
Look at the bigger picture. No country is following the strategy we are. Our strategy is unorthodox and high risk. They’re all listening to their own experts who are coming to different conclusions. Our plan may prove to be the best course of action in the long term, only time will tell, but even if that’s the case things aren’t that straight forward.
Firstly, the day after the government announced the new phase they’re already losing control as organisations are shutting things down anyway. You might consider that “hyperbole” but almost every other affected country is doing similar things, sports seasons cancelled etc. The league can’t function with teams having to go into self isolation. Delay fixtures for two weeks and you’ll just have other teams in isolation.
Secondly, there is going to be huge political pressure on this strategy. Journalists were already asking awkward questions last night. What do you think the public reaction will be when pensioners are dropping by the hundreds and the government are saying “herd immunity”?
The strategy might have been “war gamed” by a nerd with a PPE degree playing at being a tech entrepreneur but that doesn’t mean it’s going to survive contact with reality.
I actually think the broad idea is smart but it’s going to take balls of steel and the public reaction to it is going to be intense as people start dying in higher numbers.
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If that happened the nhs would be in a sticky situation
what are you comparing the NHS with, systems where access is by credit card only?Well in fairness you can hardly call out own NHS excellent though appreciate that experiences all differ.
I honestly don’t know is the answer, for most of us faced with a situation such as this,How much is it the media / social media escalating everything? People fucking fighting over toilet paper because of panic.
Is he comparing the actions needed in 2 small city states to the actions needed in the uk?
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But when it ends with folk having a basement full of uht milk that they'll never drink it's a bit muchI honestly don’t know is the answer, for most of us faced with a situation such as this,
We watch and listen and form opinions based on other people’s knowledge ‘but we
Tend to side with the experts whose opinions closely match our preference.
what are you comparing the NHS with, systems where access is by credit card only?
They are brain dead idiots though, you will always have them.But when it ends with folk having a basement full of uht milk that they'll never drink it's a bit much
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Uht though lasts forever and tastes like itThey are brain dead idiots though, you will always have them.
I just can’t help thinking that if our season wasn’t so dependent on the action being taken,
More people on here would be in favour of the cancellation of sporting events and the like.
You can’t say that until you know everything including whether the virus hits again. What we gonna do? Stop travel forever?We're following the general trend very closely.
Hong Kong and Singapore put early stringent measures in and surprise surprise they're doing better than anyone else at containing it.
What's your level of expertise to discount the theories of the medical experts at phe
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Trouble is there is only a handful of teams in each league that won’t want the season voided. The teams at the bottom will want it voided and the teams in the middle won’t care. I know for certain the comments on here would be different if we were down the bottom.
Whats amazing is you are actually suggesting blocking NHS beds and cannot see why
Even Tories are realising what they elected..
"A councillor in an English village where one of the first UK cases of coronavirus was confirmed has described the government’s strategy of tackling the disease as “a crime against our country”.
Samantha Flower, who is a member of the Conservative party and a social care manager for Sheffield City council, said: “I’m very concerned. They [the UK government] are saying they want as many people to get this disease to create a herd immunisation. But it won’t. My suspicion is that they don’t have the money for social care or NHS so that the weak and the old die.
“I’m saying that as a Conservative councillor and I don’t care if I get sacked. You judge a society by how they treat their vulnerable people. You judge leadership by how it treats its most vulnerable people.
“How do we care for them – by saying it would be better for pretty much everyone to get this disease when we know that our loved ones are going to die? It’s not OK.”
Flower is a Conservative councillor on High Peak borough council and represents the Derbyshire village of Burbage, where one of the first known UK cases of Coronavirus was confirmed. Burbage primary school and a nearby medical centre were temporarily closed after a parent tested positive for the virus on 27 February, when just 15 cases had been confirmed in the UK.
She added: “We could follow the World Health Organization’s advice and stop this now but the government’s chosen not to. Our prime minister has just said to us ‘your loved ones are going to die’ and that’s not OK. It’s abhorrent. It’s a crime against our country. We have the measures and capabilities to prevent this.
“I’m not trying to be an alarmist but the World Health Organization has set very comprehensive guidance and we’re not following it.”"
As an organisation that saved my life my experience of the NHS is its fucking brilliant. What was your experience?Well now that you ask I'm in particular comparing in with the lack of palliative care for heart patients in 89% of hospitals. I could provide details of what I have personally witnessed but that is not for this forum.
More generally I wouldn't describe my experience of the NHS as much more than 'meh'.
As an organisation that saved my life my experience of the NHS is its fucking brilliant. What was your experience?
My experience of it has been very good, calling it one of the worst in Europe is ridiculous, in Veneto it is every good as bit as the UK, go into Trentino and it's even better.Fair enough I respect your opinion, I have the opposite opinion though, as do many many members of my family who live there!
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