Not suggesting any of them are 100% standalone reasons for better or worse current results but there will be combinations of factors that will help or hinder. As you’ve highlighted with HK strict lockdown, negating the high density, SK - looser lockdown but excellent (almost oppressive) tech track and track. Might be that different combos work better for different nations depending on various factors, cultures etc
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Not suggesting any of them are 100% standalone reasons for better or worse current results but there will be combinations of factors that will help or hinder. As you’ve highlighted with HK strict lockdown, negating the high density, SK - looser lockdown but excellent (almost oppressive) tech track and track. Might be that different combos work better for different nations depending on various factors, cultures etc
Astute
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Maybe the Tories were worried about how we would take it. The sensible would understand. But they are more interested in winning votes than what is best for us.
Grendel
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Grendel
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The issue with masks is it’s going to be used to create a sense of security regarding returning to work - as it is in the US - most are not going to be fitted correctly and are going to also potentially encourage people with symptoms to venture out under the misguided belief that they will be able to prevent infection to others.
Johnnythespider
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I had to return to to work Tuesday and you are correct, they have purchased 10,000 of the blue masks, we get one in the morning and one in the afternoon, i am not best pleased about it if I'm honest.
Social distancing is encouraged but if people want something it is a natural instinct to walk upto someone and ask, many are wearing their mask incorrectly as you say, as safety glasses can steam up some are just covering their mouth with them, one chap pulls it off his face completely if he wants to say something, but it's that or don't get paid.
chiefdave
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What an idiot. How much notice was there schools were closing, couple of days? Is he seriously suggesting that in that time they should have been able to transfer everything online?
Nick
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My daughter's school knew it was coming, probably had a couple of weeks where it was inevitable.
She came home with a big folder of work and some stuff on Microsoft teams.
Over the Easter holidays it has improved even more which I guess is that the teachers have got used to using it and are recording lessons and setting plans etc.
To be fair, there's more than enough free, interactive content online to keep kids busy if the parents have an issue with it.
SkyBlueDom26
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Why is he your display picture then
clint van damme
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Nick
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Probably going to need even more if they keep being allowed to do that every week.
clint van damme
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It won't matter. The government insisted we'd hit 100 thousand by today,we're nowhere near as they were told we wouldn't be.
That's the real issue. Never give Andy Turner a hard time again, you're doing exactly what he does.
Nick
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Yes because I'm making things up..
Yep, they have failed in their goals with testing. Doesn't make it ok for people to start socialising though does it?
It doesn't mean people are suddenly immune.
Maybe people can use that as a reason on a Wednesday gathering though? Not enough tests to see if we have Corona so we can all gather.
clint van damme
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But you only comment on the lesser issue.
If you were posting a continuing narrative of the situation fair enough but all you comment on is the tik tok videos, the London bridge gatherings and piers Morgan.
Very little about lack of PPE, missed testing targets act.
I can't understand why you think breaking social distancing guidelines is the more important issue.
SkyBlueDom26
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We really aren’t far off the capacity for 100k tests a day though are we? Your going on like we’re still at 20k a day which is embarrassing...I agree at the start we didn’t do enough but the last few days we’ve really ramped it up and long may it continue.... hopefully this month we’ll see track and trance and antibody tests
clint van damme
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We've missed a target that everyone knew we couldn't hit but ministers have been insisting for weeks we would hit when everyone else said there was no chance.
So they were either lying or they are incompetent- take your pick.
In the mean time look over there, there's some people clapping and not social distancing!
It's transparent as fuck.
Hello wasps,. This is the government, could you give us some tips on using the media to create a distraction?!
Nick
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Because I'm not pretending I know about graphs and curves, the same as I stated clear of the Brexit thread and the politics of it all. I'm not going to be scare mongered by a graph of tests every day, I can still think people are hypocritical dickheads who are virtue signalling though.
I'm clearly not trying to distract from anything and anybody who has read my posts on politics over the years will know I'm hardly driven by it and think they are all bullshitting cunts.
I posted today about delivery drivers rocking up with no ppe. I've posted plenty about it.
Ring Of Steel
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Fuck me- U.K. is easily going to be the worst hit country in Europe, we were double counting PPE, failing to hit every false claim on testing, telling lie after lie, there are thousands more new cases every day, there is genuinely no end yet in sight despite what the pricks in govt say, and you’re still repeating all the same old horseshit you’re fed every day, are you as thick as pigshit or just on the wind up? Anyway got to look on the bright side- at least we’re going to be number one in Europe for something now- the death count.
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clint van damme
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I'm of to bed. First post for a while ROS. Hope all is ok?
clint van damme
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I know you're not driven by politics which is why alarm bells ring when you obsess over people on s bridge!
Have a look at your posts on this subject and where the vast majority of your criticism is aimed.
It's not at the government whose performance is abject to say the least. That's weird.
Anyway, goodnight!
An
Ring Of Steel
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all good on my side of things thanks- very busy and now have a huge beard but a strange and concerning-looking patch of self-shaved hair on my head. What’s not so good is I know 3 people (pretty close) who now have this thing, and it ain’t nice, in fact it’s like a horror movie, so when I see the usual suspects still justifying & excusing what the govt have done and pretending it’s a success and we’re almost there, tends to get a bit under my skin. Hope you’re well
Astute
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Social distancing is about the best useful tool we have. Personally I would be stricter with it. If people stop getting close and the virus is halted thousands of lives will be saved.
Yes the Tories are giving us false information. But they might have been misled. It is OK having extra testing equipment but you need qualified people to run them and then you need the chemicals to be able to test. We have had a limited amount of both. And personally I put this as a lower priority than stopping the virus spreading.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Would be nice to know what the unspecified chemicals are to be fair
Astute
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The different kits need different chemicals.
skybluetony176
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Yes. Really. When you don’t refer to an article that’s nearly a month out of date. Will the rest of the UK follow Scotland on masks?
skybluetony176
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Dom. It’s May, we’re lagging behind badly. Countries that had their first deaths after us got up to speed quicker than us and are now coming out of lockdown, registering zero home grown cases, registered significantly less cases per capita and significantly less deaths per capita. Finally reaching testing capacity after months of failure is not a cause for celebration. Ask the grieving family of avoidable victims.
shmmeee
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tisza
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All these measures require cooperation from a large majority of the population. None work in isolation but as part of package.
Properly worn masks reduce the risk (but doesn't eliminate it) as does social distancing but there's nothing that guarantees 100% security once you're out of your home.
Going to be mini outbreaks where people haven't observed safer practices once restrictions eased.
Properly worn masks reduce the risk (but doesn't eliminate it) as does social distancing but there's nothing that guarantees 100% security once you're out of your home.
Going to be mini outbreaks where people haven't observed safer practices once restrictions eased.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Perhaps if I knew what they were I'd understand what the actual issue is
Grendel
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I have and I’ve read reports that say impact is minimal and can be counter productive as someone on this post agrees who actually is working not sitting at home clearly getting very agitated
Coronavirus: Public wearing masks is 'cosmetic, not effective' - UK doctor
SkyBlueCRJ
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There's been a huge debate on this so I think common sense is required. Whilst masks can help prevent the spread you can still very easily pick up the virus despite wearing one. E.g. If someone coughs in your proximity or when taking it off after going outside. The risk is lessened but it still remains.
So, the article Grendal posted is still valid and countless scientists have confirmed that face masks may spark a false sense of confidence if not used in conjunction with social distancing where possible.
skybluetony176
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Again best part of a month out of date. It’s also an opinion piece based on one man’s comments.
skybluetony176
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The articles Grendull has linked are the best part of a month out of date. It’s like arguing a leach placed under the tongue is the best cure for a headache and ignoring everything that’s followed.
SkyBlueCRJ
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Your argument isn't relevant - like I said use your common sense. Wearing masks won't guarantee you not catching the virus, they simply minimise the risk of transmission. If social distancing is not actioned where possible in conjunction with wearing them then you can see why some have claimed their use only goes so far. Especially as you can catch Covid through your eyes.
This is where they need to be careful when opening up public transport to all. As masks won't be enough to stop the spread on packed trains/tubes.
