skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
Chill Steve. It’s just gallows humour. As the people who started the “would you rather live in Italy” line would tell you. I’m sure.
Chill Steve. It’s just gallows humour. As the people who started the “would you rather live in Italy” line would tell you. I’m sure.Shmmeee, whoever brought up the original comparison with Italy was wrong, this isn’t some kind of competition. The fact that it’s consistently brought up every time there is bad news about the UK figures is just as bad though in my book.
The fact is all countries will end up suffering badly from this, possibly at different times (different waves etc). If asked though, would I rather be here than Italy, Spain, France etc (as it keeps being sarcastically mentioned by various posters - appreciate this is probably aimed at whoever made the comparison to start with) my answer would be yes. Both for fact that we have remained within our hospital bed and ICU capacities (so far) and the lockdown, which whilst difficult, is no doubt more relaxed than various other countries which will have ultimately have benefited the wider population in unquantifiable ways. In addition I am hoping the furlough scheme will save many businesses from going bust and many hundreds of thousands losing their jobs. Fingers crossed anyway.
Yes, we might have higher spikes of case and death figures but until we know the proportions of the populations that’s had it, whether it can be caught again and until the virus has been dealt with (or better controlled internationally), comparisons are almost irrelevant.
Have we breached ICU capacities which would have caused additional unnecessary deaths ? no. In actual fact we’ve run at a high spare capacity throughout and there are plenty of countries/regions that haven’t been as lucky (outside of Europe I’ve read of japan turning patients away and New York has consistently reached if not breached, capacity)
Finally, and in answer to the earlier, ‘look how bad our actual deaths are’ post, people are forgetting that this is likely to be the same problem across pretty much every badly hit country ie figures will be initially understated everywhere. An example of this was reflected in the WSJ earlier in the month. I didn’t feel it was appropriate to post at the time for the reasons given above but as there appears to be more focus on our inaccurate (understated) numbers I thought it would be useful to share something to show that every badly hit country will be facing exactly the same problem as ourselves.
Italy’s Coronavirus Death Toll Is Far Higher Than Reported
Anyway, this isn’t a ‘look at how great we are’ post, more a ‘we’re all in this same shit situation together’. We know there have been many issues and challenges, some of which we have not dealt with well, however, this is the early stages of a worldwide pandemic of a totally new virus and I expect a majority of countries will unfortunately have similar challenges/issues either now or in the future. Let’s just hope we can find a vaccine or at least all find a way to deal with it as well as possible
ps I hope everyone can enjoy at least some of the last good weather for a few days (suppose were were due some dodgy days). It’s certainly kept the spirits up over the last few weeks
Chill Steve. It’s just gallows humour. As the people who started the “would you rather live in Italy” line would tell you. I’m sure.
Shmmeee, whoever brought up the original comparison with Italy was wrong, this isn’t some kind of competition. The fact that it’s consistently brought up every time there is bad news about the UK figures is just as bad though in my book.
The fact is all countries will end up suffering badly from this, possibly at different times (different waves etc). If asked though, would I rather be here than Italy, Spain, France etc (as it keeps being sarcastically mentioned by various posters - appreciate this is probably aimed at whoever made the comparison to start with) my answer would be yes. Both for fact that we have remained within our hospital bed and ICU capacities (so far) and the lockdown, which whilst difficult, is no doubt more relaxed than various other countries which will have ultimately have benefited the wider population in unquantifiable ways. In addition I am hoping the furlough scheme will save many businesses from going bust and many hundreds of thousands losing their jobs. Fingers crossed anyway.
Yes, we might have higher spikes of case and death figures but until we know the proportions of the populations that’s had it, whether it can be caught again and until the virus has been dealt with (or better controlled internationally), comparisons are almost irrelevant.
Have we breached ICU capacities which would have caused additional unnecessary deaths ? no. In actual fact we’ve run at a high spare capacity throughout and there are plenty of countries/regions that haven’t been as lucky (outside of Europe I’ve read of japan turning patients away and New York has consistently reached if not breached, capacity)
Finally, and in answer to the earlier, ‘look how bad our actual deaths are’ post, people are forgetting that this is likely to be the same problem across pretty much every badly hit country ie figures will be initially understated everywhere. An example of this was reflected in the WSJ earlier in the month. I didn’t feel it was appropriate to post at the time for the reasons given above but as there appears to be more focus on our inaccurate (understated) numbers I thought it would be useful to share something to show that every badly hit country will be facing exactly the same problem as ourselves.
Italy’s Coronavirus Death Toll Is Far Higher Than Reported
Anyway, this isn’t a ‘look at how great we are’ post, more a ‘we’re all in this same shit situation together’. We know there have been many issues and challenges, some of which we have not dealt with well, however, this is the early stages of a worldwide pandemic of a totally new virus and I expect a majority of countries will unfortunately have similar challenges/issues either now or in the future. Let’s just hope we can find a vaccine or at least all find a way to deal with it as well as possible
ps I hope everyone can enjoy at least some of the last good weather for a few days (suppose were were due some dodgy days). It’s certainly kept the spirits up over the last few weeks
Chill out, I just thought it was funny. I wasn’t trying to make some wider point.
This is appalling, I believe the rest of the world is looking on in horror whilst our media worry about that utter fucking c**t Johnson
It doesn't make sense.
I'm not sure he's thought it through.
What concerns me is seeing some countries start to reopen when we have no effective treatment or vaccine and the virus remains active with question marks over immunity for those who’ve had it.
If that really is the case though - no immunity - then what realistically are the options
If that really is the case though - no immunity - then what realistically are the options
Interesting comment I overheard on the radio earlier was that standard Covid virus immunity is around 79% (I think this what was said) for around 3 years for most people. So I presume it will need quite a bit of testing in relation to re-contagion to understand if there is immunity for at least some (hopefully most) people
Is somebody sponsoring @CCFCSteve per word? :smuggrin:
Is there any reliable data on what percentage of people who get it actually experiencing symptoms and to what level of severity? Would have thought that was a fairly important thing to establish when working out how to move forward.We just don’t know enough at this point it seems. A quick diagnostic test must be close I’d think
Is there any reliable data on what percentage of people who get it actually experiencing symptoms and to what level of severity? Would have thought that was a fairly important thing to establish when working out how to move forward.
I have a strong feeling that % is quite low but without an effective ‘who’s had it’ test we can only speculate.
It’s bound to be very low and though I’m not in anyway a conspiracy theorist I do think the deaths versus lockdown actions do not match up and you do wonder if the immunity issue is causing these actions
Shmmeee, whoever brought up the original comparison with Italy was wrong, this isn’t some kind of competition. The fact that it’s consistently brought up every time there is bad news about the UK figures is just as bad though in my book.
The fact is all countries will end up suffering badly from this, possibly at different times (different waves etc). If asked though, would I rather be here than Italy, Spain, France etc (as it keeps being sarcastically mentioned by various posters - appreciate this is probably aimed at whoever made the comparison to start with) my answer would be yes. Both for fact that we have remained within our hospital bed and ICU capacities (so far) and the lockdown, which whilst difficult, is no doubt more relaxed than various other countries which will have ultimately have benefited the wider population in unquantifiable ways. In addition I am hoping the furlough scheme will save many businesses from going bust and many hundreds of thousands losing their jobs. Fingers crossed anyway.
Yes, we might have higher spikes of case and death figures but until we know the proportions of the populations that’s had it, whether it can be caught again and until the virus has been dealt with (or better controlled internationally), comparisons are almost irrelevant.
Have we breached ICU capacities which would have caused additional unnecessary deaths ? no. In actual fact we’ve run at a high spare capacity throughout and there are plenty of countries/regions that haven’t been as lucky (outside of Europe I’ve read of japan turning patients away and New York has consistently reached if not breached, capacity)
Finally, and in answer to the earlier, ‘look how bad our actual deaths are’ post, people are forgetting that this is likely to be the same problem across pretty much every badly hit country ie figures will be initially understated everywhere. An example of this was reflected in the WSJ earlier in the month. I didn’t feel it was appropriate to post at the time for the reasons given above but as there appears to be more focus on our inaccurate (understated) numbers I thought it would be useful to share something to show that every badly hit country will be facing exactly the same problem as ourselves.
Italy’s Coronavirus Death Toll Is Far Higher Than Reported
Anyway, this isn’t a ‘look at how great we are’ post, more a ‘we’re all in this same shit situation together’. We know there have been many issues and challenges, some of which we have not dealt with well, however, this is the early stages of a worldwide pandemic of a totally new virus and I expect a majority of countries will unfortunately have similar challenges/issues either now or in the future. Let’s just hope we can find a vaccine or at least all find a way to deal with it as well as possible
ps I hope everyone can enjoy at least some of the last good weather for a few days (suppose were were due some dodgy days). It’s certainly kept the spirits up over the last few weeks
Interested to know what those who were defending the government saying it was pointless quarantining anyone flying into the UK think of this news?
All passengers flying into UK airports set for 14 days of quarantine | Metro News
One attendee of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) said they felt Cummings’ interventions had sometimes inappropriately influenced what is supposed to be an impartial scientific process.
A second Sage attendee said they were shocked when Cummings first began participating in Sage discussions, in February, because they believed the group should be providing “unadulterated scientific data” without any political input.
If him influencing it were the case, that would put a very different slant on thingsAnyone still not concerned? Its gone from Cummings wasn't attending to he was attending but observing to he was an active participant and now other members of SAGE expressing concern about his presence and the impact it had on SAGE's ability to advise impartially.
Attendees of Sage meetings worried by presence of Cummings
There's no mention of BAME in the article?good to see the BAME are following the guidelines like the rest of us. Updates – Police and medics seal off street after man 'stabbed in chest'
Medics and police have blocked off a Smethwick street after unconfirmed reports a man was stabbed in the chest.
Emergency crews – including the Midlands Air ambulance – are currently working in Mallin Street after the unconfirmed reports of the knifing on Sunday, April 26.
Saeed Shamedami, owner of Formula One Pizza, said the drama unfolded following an altercation outside the store at around 4.30pm.
"There were two groups of men arguing just outside the store," he told BlackCountryLive. "And when I got outside one of them was lying on the ground - he had blood pouring from his chest.
"I rang the ambulance straight away but it took 20 minutes for them to arrive."
West Midlands Police has been contacted for more information.
There's no mention of BAME in the article?
there is videos on social media of the actual stabbing. i wont put the link on here as its horrible and not nice for the victim or his family but it is BAME
He’s both black and minority ethnic?
? the perpetrators were black and he was of minority ethnicity. your point?
He’s both black and minority ethnic?
What’s yours?
What is it about melanin levels you think makes someone stabby exactly?
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