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SkyBlueAussie

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,646
I fear the worst...Just like 1987 when the Liverpool fans f.cked us over and we weren't allowed into Europe. It doesn't look good...the snowflakes are panicking.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,647
theferret said:
Well, it has nothing to do with Bulldog Spirit to acknowledge that some of the world's leading virologists are based here.

Anyway, the key difference it seems is that our scientists are also referencing the behavioural science, saying that as we are up to 14 weeks away from the peak - imposing draconian measures now would be a mistake - because if you shut everything down now (which is a big step to take) people go with it for a few weeks, but may not have the stamina to continue with that for months potentially, and by the time the peak comes around (when the shutdowns might be needed) people will have had enough and might potentially ignore advice at that point. That is my understanding, but again, I defer to them on that because I cannot prove or disprove any of it. I'm not saying I am right, but I'm just trying to understand their position.
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Hmmm behavioural “science” isn’t exactly the hardest science. Seems like Cummings misplaced faith in data and woo again. I’d rather with something serious we went with hard science personally.

Whole bunch of medical doctors with decades of experience: shut this shit down

Dude in a hoodie with a laptop: hold on a second

Yeah I know who id trust to stop thousands of deaths.
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,648
shmmeee said:
Doesn't explain why our models are different to everyone else in the worlds. And spare me the Bulldog Spirit “they’re the best innit”.
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Our models aren't different, the admitted the modelled for an 80 percent infection rate. There will be many many models gamed
 
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EalingSB

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,649
Just received this from the EFL: “The EFL Board will meet this morning to make a decision on this weekend’s fixtures and beyond.”
 
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theferret

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,650
shmmeee said:
Hmmm behavioural “science” isn’t exactly the hardest science. Seems like Cummings misplaced faith in data and woo again. I’d rather with something serious we went with hard science personally.
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Well it's clearly a mixture of both. The Chief Medical Officer has probably forgotten more over breakfast this morning than the sum total of our combined knowledge on the matter.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,651
SeaSeeEffCee said:
Dan Roan from the BBC reporting that EFL will follow the Prem’s lead so expect the Shrewsbury game to be postponed later today.
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If it does happen it throws off the government's modelling as it takes people from low risk events and potentially moves them to higher risk activities
 
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itsabuzzard

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,652
theferret said:
Well it's clearly a mixture of both. The Chief Medical Officer has probably forgotten more over breakfast this morning than the sum total of our combined knowledge on the matter.
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It's a shame the epl and efl don't appear to be paying much attention to what he's saying. Too many people seem to think that it can somehow be avoided.

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Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,653
If games did go ahead tomorrow, how many knocks on the referee's door from managers whose team are losing, saying 'our centre half/goalkeeper feel unwell' - game abandoned (call me a cynic!). On a side note, particularly on behalf of the old and people with health conditions, I've shifted strongly in my feelings about where football tables etc stand in terms of importance (and I'm City through and through)
 
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shmmeee

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,654
theferret said:
Well it's clearly a mixture of both. The Chief Medical Officer has probably forgotten more over breakfast this morning than the sum total of our combined knowledge on the matter.
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I mean clearly we are planning to take the same measures (that’s the medical advice) but have decided to time them as late as possible (the dude in hoodie advice). That’s my worry. Get the man bun twats out the way for this and let the CMO lead.
 

SeaSeeEffCee

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,655
The Athletic are also reporting that games will be suspended later this morning.
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,656
shmmeee said:
I mean clearly we are planning to take the same measures (that’s the medical advice) but have decided to time them as late as possible (the dude in hoodie advice). That’s my worry. Get the man bun twats out the way for this and let the CMO lead.
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No the timing advise is from the medical advisers as well. Studies into previous pandemics note that forced measures implemented too early lead to fatigue in the measures and the possibility of more deaths.
 
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Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,657
itsabuzzard said:
Too many people seem to think that it can somehow be avoided.
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It's the almost impossible task of isolating old folk-particularly those who are sick or require help. My wife works in a school, I have a son at Secondary school. I am based at home; however I am the main support/lifeline to our 3 'parents'.. One of them has 2 different carers each day. I find it almost impossible to envisage them not getting it at some point. I am not a worrier by nature, but having revisited the scenario more than once, I'm not overoptimistic for their prospects (will just feel gutted if I'm the conduit in any way, shape or form)
 
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theferret

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,658
shmmeee said:
I mean clearly we are planning to take the same measures (that’s the medical advice) but have decided to time them as late as possible (the dude in hoodie advice). That’s my worry. Get the man bun twats out the way for this and let the CMO lead.
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Taking this back to football for a minute. My take from yesterday was that the peak is many weeks away. Therefore, if we cancel fixtures tomorrow - it's not as though we can suddenly starting playing again in two weeks. Same with closing schools etc. If we go this way now, we'd have to maintain this for 2-3 months - otherwise there's no point. Therefore, a cancellation of fixtures now effectively signals the end of the football season.

The CMO and CSO I believe are taking the lead. It was striking how Boris continually deferred to them yesterday and at no point attempted to bluff his was through it. The CMO does not strike me as somebody who would be swayed by political influence, I think he'd rather resign than do that. I believe the UK position is being steered entirely by the scientists.
 
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Winny the Bish

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,659
We all know the EFL are just going to copy the Premier League.

I'm guessing all games postponed until April 4th, after the international break. Would mean 4 City games needing moving (Shrewsbury, Lincoln, Wycombe, Accy).
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,660
theferret said:
Taking this back to football for a minute. My take from yesterday was that the peak is many weeks away. Therefore, if we cancel fixtures tomorrow - it's not as though we can suddenly starting playing again in two weeks. Same with closing schools etc. If we go this way now, we'd have to maintain this for 2-3 months - otherwise there's no point. Therefore, a cancellation of fixtures now effectively signals the end of the football season.

The CMO and CSO I believe are taking the lead. It was striking how Boris continually deferred to them yesterday and at no point attempted to bluff his was through it. The CMO does not strike me as somebody who would be swayed by political influence, I think he'd rather resign than do that. I believe the UK position is being steered entirely by the scientists.
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Luckily the current CSO is also a medical doctor
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,661
skyblue93 said:
We all know the EFL are just going to copy the Premier League.

I'm guessing all games postponed until April 4th, after the international break. Would mean 4 City games needing moving (Shrewsbury, Lincoln, Wycombe, Accy).
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Impossible mate, its not peaking until 10-14 weeks so it will be worse then
 
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Otis

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,662
Yup. Do feel the end of the season is looking imminent.
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,663
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Impossible mate, its not peaking until 10-14 weeks so it will be worse then
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The 4th of April is the rumoured pl date but yes you are right you couldn't restart the season then.

It does worry me that the pl and efl are going to take a knee jerk reaction against medical advice and governmental wishes.

If you stop all games you then have to factor in the displacement factor
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,664
Coronavirus: Millions of Britons will need to contract COVID-19 for 'herd immunity'
 
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theferret

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,665
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Impossible mate, its not peaking until 10-14 weeks so it will be worse then
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Exactly the point people are missing. If the EFL go against government advice now, I cannot see how the season can be completed. It then becomes a straight choice between write-off the whole season or finish it now based on leagues postion/ppg. Either way, let the legal action begin.
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,666
theferret said:
Exactly the point people are missing. If the EFL go against government advice now, I cannot see how the season can be completed. It then becomes a straight choice between write-off the whole season or finish it now based on leagues postion/ppg. Either way, let the legal action begin.
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I can't see how legal action would be taken if they based it on Form
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,667
SkyBlueDom26 said:
I can't see how legal action would be taken if they based it on Form
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Because some will argue it is mathematically possible for them to go up

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Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,668
no_loyalty said:
I hope I'm wrong but I think this season is going to be written off, as more players and staff will confirm they have the virus.
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There is far too much on the line for it to be written off at this late stage.

If we had played 5 games then maybe we could.

I can't see any other way without playing the games in some shape or form without the EFL getting absolutely hammered by lawyers.

Relegated teams who argue they could still survive
Teams outside the playoffs who say they could have got promoted

There's billions of pounds involved here, players will be on promotion bonuses, people will lose their jobs due to relegation etc. What about all of the wages paid to players over the last year? Contracts that are due etc.
 

Otis

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,669
Nick said:
There is far too much on the line for it to be written off at this late stage.

If we had played 5 games then maybe we could.
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Can't see it, Nick. Players are contracting it now. Some clubs are in lockdown.

If we hold games tomorrow, I think that could be the last of them. It's only going to get worse.
 
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ccfchoi87

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,670
Surely the season will just resume when ready. You can’t start another season without ending the last one.

The major issues will be contracts and wages.
 
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theferret

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,671
SkyBlueDom26 said:
I can't see how legal action would be taken if they based it on Form
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I'd like to think the EFL have something in the small print that covers this kind of scenario, but if they have I think we'd know about it by now. Could get very messy this.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,672
theferret said:
Taking this back to football for a minute. My take from yesterday was that the peak is many weeks away. Therefore, if we cancel fixtures tomorrow - it's not as though we can suddenly starting playing again in two weeks. Same with closing schools etc. If we go this way now, we'd have to maintain this for 2-3 months - otherwise there's no point. Therefore, a cancellation of fixtures now effectively signals the end of the football season.

The CMO and CSO I believe are taking the lead. It was striking how Boris continually deferred to them yesterday and at no point attempted to bluff his was through it. The CMO does not strike me as somebody who would be swayed by political influence, I think he'd rather resign than do that. I believe the UK position is being steered entirely by the scientists.
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Yep gove must have been annoyed deferring to experts. Bojo was no clown yesterday
 

Otis

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,673
ccfchoi87 said:
Surely the season will just resume when ready. You can’t start another season without ending the last one.

The major issues will be contracts and wages.
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Could be two months until the virus hits its peak though.

Suspend games now and try to complete them later, you are talking about maybe June before you could even resume.
 

Winny the Bish

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,674
Would be hilarious if the EFL just decided that if you have less than 3 first-team players quarantined you keep playing.
 
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covboy1987

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,675
Paxman II said:
It won't scupperour season but looks likely the next month could be played behind closed doors. Hopefully we will be back in the stadium to celebrate our promotion.
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Otis said:
Yup. Do feel the end of the season is looking imminent.
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I think there is a possibly the game will go ahead tomorrow possibly even behimnd closed door - I fear this will be the last game for some time and basicaly the end of the season
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,676
Now I’m (obviously !) no expert and can’t say whether policies/plans by ours or other governments are right or wrong. What is crazy is people saying we are doing nothing. We have said from day one we would respond based on scientific evidence, if we are still following that then I won’t argue with the approach. For those that think the government is complacent or just can’t be arsed there are various things that they could do which I’ve included below -

Social gatherings (in particular outside) - outside - limited effect as virus doesnt cope as well outside so unlikely to be transmitted widely. Government has already asked those with any symptoms to self isolate so hopefully a majority/all going to these events should be in good health. Ultimately if people feel they are at greater risk or have symptoms, don’t go.

Close schools - this may be required for a long period (and advice has been to maximise the benefit of this is to do this at its peak). As soon as this kicks in what happens to health/social care sectors when parents who work in these industries are at home looking after their kids (who are at minimal risk) ? What about the elderly and infirm that need care ? Food and supplies that still needs to be delivered and sold ?

Close borders - what, like trumps done and is crazy as the virus is already wide spread in pretty much every major country ? Also if you close borders to every country what about transport of goods, supplies etc ? What about repatriating brits from around the globe who are in these travel banned countries ? (And are as likely to bring it back into the U.K. as foreign nationals)

Total lock down - unless you stop everyone going to work as well, I’m guessing it will still stay in circulation albeit at a lower level, probably until lock down ends. What about all the businesses closing and staff who won’t get paid ? What about getting food/supplies and care for those that need help ?

Finally, and this is what I’m guessing is key behind the governments longer term strategy in comparison with other nations, what happens if the virus is suppressed for a few months after taking some of the above actions and then reappears on the lead up to next winter....when the nhs is at its busiest and elderly and people with respiratory illnesses are at greater risk of serious illness ?

I’ve read numerous experts agreeing and disagreeing with our approach, I haven’t got a clue personally but these are massively tough decisions and to suggest we aren’t taking this as seriously (if not more so) than most countries is quite frankly ridiculous. What I would say is that it appears that the actions on day one (tracing and tracking individual /requesting immediate self isolation/ stay away from doctors surgeries)may have already had some positive impact as we are running behind most other major European nations in terms of cases etc.

This will need a massive effort from the whole of the country over I’m guessing a number of months (better hygiene, selflessness etc).

Ps just to highlight the point regarding statement politics, I heard yesterday that apparently one of the first recorded persons in US passed airport screening for the virus. Also Italy were also one of the first to ban flights from China.

Promise, final comment, those that are politicising it, I heard mayor khan on the radio earlier in the week who is taking advice regarding London from exactly the same government medical advisors (directly) and agrees with the governments approach. He is dealing with the most highly populated area of the country by far
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,677
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Coronavirus: Millions of Britons will need to contract COVID-19 for 'herd immunity'
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That’s what I was saying and why I think the experts are correct. So sad that the reality will be premature deaths and hope the numbers are in line with normal flu each year. Although still sad for each family of course
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,678
theferret said:
I'd like to think the EFL have something in the small print that covers this kind of scenario, but if they have I think we'd know about it by now. Could get very messy this.
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They don’t on line someone should ask
 
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theferret

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,679
ccfchoi87 said:
Surely the season will just resume when ready. You can’t start another season without ending the last one.

The major issues will be contracts and wages.
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This big question is 'when'. From what we are advised, this would likely be the end of April - and even that's no guarantee. This would push the season into the summer (assuming the Euros are cancelled). This would then seriously delay the start of next season, which would also be a problem as the Euros would be put back to the following summer. Germany are seriously considering just cancelling the whole season. It could happen here.
 

jordan210

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,680
Thinking about it average points is the best way.

divide current points by games played. Times that by games left. Round up or down depending on decimal.

job done
 
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