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Ring Of Steel

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  • Apr 3, 2020
  • #11,831
Nick said:
I would crack a joke but it may offend so I won't.
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go on
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 3, 2020
  • #11,832
Grendel said:
No one across Europe has a clue when the mythical curve will be an no one offers an end solution
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They are trying to keep deaths low until the virus goes away seasonally or a treatment arrives
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 3, 2020
  • #11,833
hill83 said:
They would never meet anyway with Grendel throwing pelters from his incredibly high tower and Coventrian with the huge chip on his shoulder. Wouldn’t get past the outer gates.
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What a time to be alive
 

chiefdave

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  • Apr 3, 2020
  • #11,834
SkyBlueDom26 said:
What else have they done wrong? We locked down..... No Government could have predicted this happening
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Not to single you out as I've seen similar comments all over social media but this hasn't come out of nowhere.

There's been warnings for literally years about this kind of thing happening. There's even reports viewable online into the changes made to the NHS under the 2012 Health and Social Care Act which explicitly state the changes being made will leave us unable to cope with exactly what is happening now. As far back as 2009 there's a Department of Health report which states that in the event of a pandemic “there may be ten times as many patients requiring mechanical ventilatory support as the number of beds available”.

There's multiple news articles, documentaries etc that highlight the potential for a pandemic wiping out huge numbers. The governments own National Risk Register highlights a pandemic as having the same likelihood of occurring as severe weather (its actually listed as more likely than things like flooding or an outbreak of something similar to foot and mouth), the register also highlights it as the risk that would have by far the biggest impact.

All points to this being something the government knew was going to happen, just a case of when rather than if.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 3, 2020
  • #11,835
chiefdave said:
Not to single you out as I've seen similar comments all over social media but this hasn't come out of nowhere.

There's been warnings for literally years about this kind of thing happening. There's even reports viewable online into the changes made to the NHS under the 2012 Health and Social Care Act which explicitly state the changes being made will leave us unable to cope with exactly what is happening now. As far back as 2009 there's a Department of Health report which states that in the event of a pandemic “there may be ten times as many patients requiring mechanical ventilatory support as the number of beds available”.

There's multiple news articles, documentaries etc that highlight the potential for a pandemic wiping out huge numbers. The governments own National Risk Register highlights a pandemic as having the same likelihood of occurring as severe weather (its actually listed as more likely than things like flooding or an outbreak of something similar to foot and mouth), the register also highlights it as the risk that would have by far the biggest impact.

All points to this being something the government knew was going to happen, just a case of when rather than if.
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There’s strong hints that the US government were warned around the same time that they were overdue for a pandemic disease going on the patterns of the past. Then in 2018 Trump sacked pandemic disease specialists in the belief it wouldn’t happen during his term.

We knew we were due and proceeded to underfund the NHS and broader society for a decade. Now reaping a whirlwind
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Apr 3, 2020
  • #11,836
chiefdave said:
Not to single you out as I've seen similar comments all over social media but this hasn't come out of nowhere.

There's been warnings for literally years about this kind of thing happening. There's even reports viewable online into the changes made to the NHS under the 2012 Health and Social Care Act which explicitly state the changes being made will leave us unable to cope with exactly what is happening now. As far back as 2009 there's a Department of Health report which states that in the event of a pandemic “there may be ten times as many patients requiring mechanical ventilatory support as the number of beds available”.

There's multiple news articles, documentaries etc that highlight the potential for a pandemic wiping out huge numbers. The governments own National Risk Register highlights a pandemic as having the same likelihood of occurring as severe weather (its actually listed as more likely than things like flooding or an outbreak of something similar to foot and mouth), the register also highlights it as the risk that would have by far the biggest impact.

All points to this being something the government knew was going to happen, just a case of when rather than if.
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To say that "nobody could have prepared for this" is errant and wilful nonsense. And that includes the former Labour govt too, they were in the hotseat for SARS & Swine Flu.

We have downgraded Coronavirus from being a HCID, we don't even see it as being in the highest risk category of pandemics, in medical terms COVID is Championship standard, so you can imagine what would happen if a Premier League virus got loose. And even with it being the lower level risk, look what its done to us. Its jaw-droppingly stupid to have done nothing for years apart from strip down the NHS, and criminally negligent to again do nothing even months after the advice & warnings came in January. Its not even a matter of "if" this happens, it "will" happen, and it will keep happening.

Here's the "most wanted" list if you like of infectious diseases, this virus- that has essentially stopped all of the human race in its tracks- not even at the top table.
High consequence infectious diseases (HCID)
 
Last edited: Apr 3, 2020

Grendel

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  • Apr 3, 2020
  • #11,837
Brighton Sky Blue said:
They are trying to keep deaths low until the virus goes away seasonally or a treatment arrives
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They are trying to keep moral up and that’s all they have to offer
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 3, 2020
  • #11,838
chiefdave said:
Not to single you out as I've seen similar comments all over social media but this hasn't come out of nowhere.

There's been warnings for literally years about this kind of thing happening. There's even reports viewable online into the changes made to the NHS under the 2012 Health and Social Care Act which explicitly state the changes being made will leave us unable to cope with exactly what is happening now. As far back as 2009 there's a Department of Health report which states that in the event of a pandemic “there may be ten times as many patients requiring mechanical ventilatory support as the number of beds available”.

There's multiple news articles, documentaries etc that highlight the potential for a pandemic wiping out huge numbers. The governments own National Risk Register highlights a pandemic as having the same likelihood of occurring as severe weather (its actually listed as more likely than things like flooding or an outbreak of something similar to foot and mouth), the register also highlights it as the risk that would have by far the biggest impact.

All points to this being something the government knew was going to happen, just a case of when rather than if.
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How Dave with freedom of movement across Europe and open borders would you have controlled it? The EU has a pandemic committee which folded as every country adopted its own strategies
 
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Grendel

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  • Apr 3, 2020
  • #11,839
Ring Of Steel said:
To say that "nobody could have prepared for this" is errant and wilful nonsense. And that includes the former Labour govt too, they were in the hotseat for SARS & Swine Flu.

We have downgraded Coronavirus from being a HCID, we don't even see it as being in the highest risk category of pandemics, in medical terms COVID is Championship standard, so you can imagine what would happen if a Premier League virus got loose. And even with it being the lower level risk, look what its done to us. Its jaw-droppingly stupid to have done nothing for years apart from strip down the NHS, and criminally negligent to again do nothing even months after the advice & warnings came in January. Its not even a matter of "if" this happens, it "will" happen, and it will keep happening.

Here's the "most wanted" list if you like of infectious diseases, this virus that has essentially stopped all of the human race in its tracks not even at the top table.
High consequence infectious diseases (HCID)
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We are still part of Europe and how can it have been controlled?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 3, 2020
  • #11,840
Grendel said:
They are trying to keep moral up and that’s all they have to offer
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What would you be doing in their position G?
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Apr 3, 2020
  • #11,841
Grendel said:
No one across Europe has a clue when the mythical curve will be an no one offers an end solution
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When do you think it could be G? By looking at Spain and Italy it looks like they are right at the peak
 

Wyken Sky Blue

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  • Apr 3, 2020
  • #11,842
The coventrian said:
Snowflake? Your the leftie crybaby not me. I'm sure they'll be a few oap Brexit voters passing away today so you raise another glass.
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You fucking wanker.
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Apr 3, 2020
  • #11,843
SkyBlueDom26 said:
When do you think it could be G? By looking at Spain and Italy it looks like they are right at the peak
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Italy likely is coming to it, but need a bit more time to see that with confidence. Spain I think much too early to say.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Apr 3, 2020
  • #11,844
The coventrian said:
Your about asfunny as Johnathan ross.
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Ross should have a capital “r”.
 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Apr 3, 2020
  • #11,845
Brighton Sky Blue said:
They are trying to keep deaths low until the virus goes away seasonally or a treatment arrives
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...which, as far as plans go.....is lifted stright out of the "wing & a prayer" play book....

Grendel said:
They are trying to keep moral up and that’s all they have to offer
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Yep....The whole world has rushed down this blind alley to hide from the virus.......what happens next?

People are getting angry.....They're gonna need to make the most of this lockdown cos I can see any future attempts being ignored en masse...
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 3, 2020
  • #11,846
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
...which, as far as plans go.....is lifted stright out of the "wing & a prayer" play book....



Yep....The whole world has rushed down this blind alley to hide from the virus.......what happens next?

People are getting angry.....They're gonna need to make the most of this lockdown cos I can see any future attempts being ignored en masse...
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Yep because it’s now over to the ‘so called scientists’ and ‘so called experts’ to develop treatments and quick testing kits. I’d be one of them had any jobs been going when I graduated
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Apr 3, 2020
  • #11,847
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
...which, as far as plans go.....is lifted stright out of the "wing & a prayer" play book....



Yep....The whole world has rushed down this blind alley to hide from the virus.......what happens next?

People are getting angry.....They're gonna need to make the most of this lockdown cos I can see any future attempts being ignored en masse...
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I think that keeping hundreds of thousands of people alive as opposed to having them die might count as "making the most of it".
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 3, 2020
  • #11,848
SkyBlueDom26 said:
When do you think it could be G? By looking at Spain and Italy it looks like they are right at the peak
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Have you seen my link in Italy? They havent a clue about the death toll
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Apr 3, 2020
  • #11,849
Grendel said:
How Dave with freedom of movement across Europe and open borders would you have controlled it? The EU has a pandemic committee which folded as every country adopted its own strategies
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The world doesn’t have freedom of movement and the worlds got it. Freedom of movement is just another of your tin hat, tin pot theories. You’re talking bollocks as usual while ignoring the facts Dave has made.
 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Apr 3, 2020
  • #11,850
Ring Of Steel said:
I think that keeping hundreds of thousands of people alive as opposed to having them die might count as "making the most of it".
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Indeed.....and there appeared to be no real immediate alternative action......just expressing my bewilderment at the fact the the whole world is stumped as to how to move forward....
 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Apr 3, 2020
  • #11,851
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Yep because it’s now over to the ‘so called scientists’ and ‘so called experts’ to develop treatments and quick testing kits. I’d be one of them had any jobs been going when I graduated
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Have you got a degree Brighton? you should have mentioned it sooner
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 3, 2020
  • #11,852
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Have you got a degree Brighton? you should have mentioned it sooner
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Hilarious-again only mentioned when directly relevant
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Apr 3, 2020
  • #11,853
skybluetony176 said:
The world doesn’t have freedom of movement and the worlds got it. Freedom of movement is just another of your tin hat, tin pot theories. You’re talking bollocks as usual while ignoring the facts Dave has made.
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When you've got every single thing wrong from day one, you don't really have anywhere to go apart from trying to deflect by making out that all the info coming from every country in the world is false and made up, thus pretending that you weren't actually wrong but its the data that was wrong, same old gameplan really.
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Apr 3, 2020
  • #11,854
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Hilarious-again only mentioned when directly relevant
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What course did you do, and where? ... if you don't mind me asking
 

hill83

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  • Apr 3, 2020
  • #11,855
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Have you got a degree Brighton? you should have mentioned it sooner
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 3, 2020
  • #11,856
Ring Of Steel said:
What course did you do, and where? ... if you don't mind me asking
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Will PM that as students will identify me otherwise!
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Apr 3, 2020
  • #11,857
SkyBlueDom26 said:
When do you think it could be G? By looking at Spain and Italy it looks like they are right at the peak
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He’ll know it’s over when the Russian soldiers stop patrolling the streets of Italy and go home
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Apr 3, 2020
  • #11,858
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Will PM that as students will identify me otherwise!
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Ah yeah- good point, sorry
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Apr 3, 2020
  • #11,859
EDIT: removed post cos I'm an idiot....answered a question for someone else
 
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Grendel

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  • Apr 3, 2020
  • #11,860
Ring Of Steel said:
When you've got every single thing wrong from day one, you don't really have anywhere to go apart from trying to deflect by making out that all the info coming from every country in the world is false and made up, thus pretending that you weren't actually wrong but its the data that was wrong, same old gameplan really.
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So now you are dismissing the Financial Times article but keep posting a graph from a Financial Times correspondent- and still no answers to the questions posed

Whr to you believe the FT article is false? I know you will not answer but I will try
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 3, 2020
  • #11,861
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
EDIT: removed post cos I'm an idiot....answered a question for someone else
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To be fair I’ve mentioned a qualification 5 times in 8 years so I’m obsessed
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Apr 3, 2020
  • #11,862
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
BEng (Hons) Engineering. Graduated 1992.....straight into the tail-wind of the early 90s recession, 11% unemployment, double digit inflation & black wednesday.....

The pills were top notch tho.....
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Liverpool '98, Psychology, then Warwick '99 for Masters in something vastly different to Psychology.. Liverpool was like one big never ending party, I absolutely adore the place
 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Apr 3, 2020
  • #11,863
Ring Of Steel said:
Liverpool was like one big never ending party,
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Still is lar....still is.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 3, 2020
  • #11,864
Announced that teachers are indeed going to decide the GCSE and A level grades. We have been asked to put the students in rank order and to do that we are using mock exams and topic test results.
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 3, 2020
  • #11,865
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Announced that teachers are indeed going to decide the GCSE and A level grades. We have been asked to put the students in rank order and to do that we are using mock exams and topic test results.
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Are mocks externality evaluated?
 
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