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Ring Of Steel

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  • Apr 2, 2020
  • #11,306
Brighton Sky Blue said:
So let’s drop it with the hard left BS then and admit it’s just about who’s mates with the press barons
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lol- I never said anything about the hard left, I'm happy to proclaim my ignorance of that.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 2, 2020
  • #11,307
skybluesam66 said:
Boris appealed to some of the Labour vote, who couldnt vote for corbyn
he played the clown, and some of the Labour support liked it

to win an election, you have to win some of the opposition support - Corbyn could never to that, Boris could
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Corbyn had flaws but the media hounded him in a way I have never seen before and they did it for years. By Dec 2019 he had no chance
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 2, 2020
  • #11,308
It's annoying me about people who are stuck abroad.

Fair enough people who emigrated or have been there long term, dickheads who flew out having half an idea of what was going on can pipe down though.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Apr 2, 2020
  • #11,309
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Miliband?
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He's trickier. Cameron was pretty slick (little substance) to be fair. He/Tories played on the ‘give us a chance to govern on our own now we’ve done the dirty work’ (even though he probably didn’t want/expect to)

ps these are just guesses don’t be offended anyone !!!
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Apr 2, 2020
  • #11,310
SeaSeeEffCee said:
The classic Tory response of ‘I’d love to care about people not dying but a left wing person said a mean thing to me so now my entire moral and political viewpoint has shifted completely to the right’ boo fucking hoo
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Tories always get very moralistic when they accuse "the left" of swearing and arguing and being rude. Awful goings on.

The Tories themselves of course kill people & put them into poverty on a daily basis, but they just do it in a polite & professional manner.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 2, 2020
  • #11,311
Grendel said:
Blair won because he presented economic competence with Brown alongside him

The press conspiracy looks a bit silly when you consider only 3 years ago Corbyn defied all odds and achieved 40% of the vote
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He still lost
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 2, 2020
  • #11,312
CCFCSteve said:
He's trickier. Cameron was pretty slick (little substance) to be fair. He/Tories played on the ‘give us a chance to govern on our own now we’ve done the dirty work’ (even though he probably didn’t want/expect to)

ps these are just guesses don’t be offended anyone !!!
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It’s just I thought we had to not be far left to win and he still didn’t
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 2, 2020
  • #11,313
Brighton Sky Blue said:
He still lost
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He attracted 40% of the vote -,more than most leaders at elections
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 2, 2020
  • #11,314
Grendel said:
He attracted 40% of the vote -,more than most leaders at elections
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Weird that you are now using his result as evidence when before you dismissed it
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Apr 2, 2020
  • #11,315
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Weird that you are now using his result as evidence when before you dismissed it
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He lost. End of discussion.

Corbyn was a weird one, he was a cult. In 2017 the support for him in the media & in public was a bit cultish, and in 2019 the disgust & distaste for him was also a bit cultish.
 

David O'Day

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  • Apr 2, 2020
  • #11,316
TomRad85 said:
Everyone is. For example if you have other forms of social media and you present yourself in the same manner, you could put many people off voting your way.

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If you are basing your vote on what a scrote from Willenhall thinks you need help
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 2, 2020
  • #11,317
David O'Day said:
If you are basing your vote on what a scrote from Willenhall thinks you need help
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I’m in Leamington m8 only buy the essentials from Waitrose bruv
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 2, 2020
  • #11,318
Ring Of Steel said:
He lost. End of discussion.

Corbyn was a weird one, he was a cult. In 2017 the support for him in the media & in public was a bit cultish, and in 2019 the disgust & distaste for him was also a bit cultish.
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I also have little faith he’d have handled CV any better than the fatso
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Apr 2, 2020
  • #11,319
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It’s just I thought we had to not be far left to win and he still didn’t
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Yeah, it’s a fair point, but it’s sometimes timing (what’s happening in country/economy etc) and opponents, for example Brown and Milliband probably (almost certainly) beat May. Blair beats Cameron and probably Johnson (in previous years but unsure in 2019 due to Brexit)
 
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David O'Day

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  • Apr 2, 2020
  • #11,320
The face mask effectiveness issue is one that genuinely splits doctors a you have to remember correlation does not equal causation
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 2, 2020
  • #11,321
CCFCSteve said:
Yeah, it’s a fair point, but it’s sometimes timing (what’s happening in country/economy etc) and opponents, for example Brown and Milliband probably (almost certainly) beat May. Blair beats Cameron and probably Johnson (in previous years but maybe not in 2019 due to Brexit)
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What I’m getting at is that ‘you’ll get destroyed being far left’ is a default argument much like ‘he’s unelectable’ purely because the press have declared him so. Labour wouldn’t have won in 2019 with any of their available MPs because it was held on Johnson’s terms.

They wouldn’t have lost as badly though as even I had a hard time voting for Corbyn and I voted for him twice as leader
 

usskyblue

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  • Apr 2, 2020
  • #11,322
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Apr 2, 2020
  • #11,323
CCFCSteve said:
Yeah, it’s a fair point, but it’s sometimes timing (what’s happening in country/economy etc) and opponents, for example Brown and Milliband probably (almost certainly) beat May. Blair beats Cameron and probably Johnson (in previous years but unsure in 2019 due to Brexit)
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I think Blair beats anyone- I never saw support like he had. I'm not political but when he came along it was an unstoppable force. Not getting into talking about policies & all that as I don't know enough about it, but he was the most unbeatable PM certainly of my lifetime.

For all you politics buffs- was that at least partly the 'centrist' effect?
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Apr 2, 2020
  • #11,324
The coventrian said:
Oh look,the tolerant left in action.
Go and kick some war memorials over or something.
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You do know that in WW2 when the black shirts were marching on London and Londoners turned on them you would be one of the black shirts and the Londoners who attacked them were the ones who went on to fight the war and who said memorials were raised for?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 2, 2020
  • #11,325
usskyblue said:
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Socialism for the rich and rugged individualism for the poor
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 2, 2020
  • #11,326
Ring Of Steel said:
I think Blair beats anyone- I never saw support like he had. I'm not political but when he came along it was an unstoppable force. Not getting into talking about policies & all that as I don't know enough about it, but he was the most unbeatable PM certainly of my lifetime.
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He won even after committing war crimes it’s one hell of an accomplishment
 
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David O'Day

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  • Apr 2, 2020
  • #11,327
TomRad85 said:
I'm not, but other scrotes from Willenhall on your Facebook feed might.

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The voting Willenhall scrote demographic isn't as big as you think
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Apr 2, 2020
  • #11,328
Brighton Sky Blue said:
He won even after committing war crimes it’s one hell of an accomplishment
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And thats why I think Boris rides out the Coronavirus.
 

David O'Day

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  • Apr 2, 2020
  • #11,329
skybluetony176 said:
You do know that in WW2 when the black shirts were marching on London and Londoners turned on them you would be one of the black shirts and the Londoners who attacked them were the ones who went on to fight the war and who said memorials were raised for?
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My grandad didn't vote for fascists, he shot em.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 2, 2020
  • #11,330
Ring Of Steel said:
And thats why I think Boris rides out the Coronavirus.
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He’ll crack a few jokes about having had it himself, wave a flag and praise the great British effort to beat the virus. If he holds a pint at the same time he might get 600 MPs
 
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Grendel

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  • Apr 2, 2020
  • #11,331
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Weird that you are now using his result as evidence when before you dismissed it
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labour are just rubbish at developing strategy to win an election
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Apr 2, 2020
  • #11,332
Brighton Sky Blue said:
He’ll crack a few jokes about having had it himself, wave a flag and praise the great British effort to beat the virus. If he holds a pint at the same time he might get 600 MPs
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I don't really follow it here but from what I can tell nobody actually knows who PM is- Varadkar doing all the briefings (and he's pretty good actually, I have been impressed with his demeanour), but its all very complicated to work out who is actually going to be in charge.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 2, 2020
  • #11,333
David O'Day said:
My grandad didn't vote for fascists, he shot em.
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By his own admission mine spent it ‘chasing skirt around Portsmouth docks’ and then ‘fucking about at my controls on the ship’
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 2, 2020
  • #11,334
Grendel said:
labour are just rubbish at developing strategy to win an election
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But yet also got over 40% of the vote make your mind up
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 2, 2020
  • #11,335
Ring Of Steel said:
I don't really follow it here but from what I can tell nobody actually knows who PM is- Varadkar doing all the briefings (and he's pretty good actually, I have been impressed with his demeanour), but its all very complicated to work out who is actually going to be in charge.
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Is he Taoiseach by default until this is over?
 

David O'Day

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  • Apr 2, 2020
  • #11,336
Brighton Sky Blue said:
By his own admission mine spent it ‘chasing skirt around Portsmouth docks’ and then ‘fucking about at my controls on the ship’
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Mine as an aircraft mechanic so the stories of him actually shooting fascists maybe over egged some what.
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Apr 2, 2020
  • #11,337
Brighton Sky Blue said:
By his own admission mine spent it ‘chasing skirt around Portsmouth docks’ and then ‘fucking about at my controls on the ship’
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Mine spent a while being chased across Burma by the Japanese- incredibly harrowing. I have his medals in the living room. Almost killed him when I showed up at his house in a Mazda
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 2, 2020
  • #11,338
David O'Day said:
Mine as an aircraft mechanic so the stories of him actually shooting fascists maybe over egged some what.
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I don’t think mine harmed any fascists, was in the merchant navy and his boat got mined
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Apr 2, 2020
  • #11,339
Ring Of Steel said:
For all you politics buffs- was that at least partly the 'centrist' effect?
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I'm no politics buff....but I think 18 fucking years of tory rule may have had an impact.....

Shame Blair turned out to be arguably a bigger c**t than most of them...
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Apr 2, 2020
  • #11,340
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Is he Taoiseach by default until this is over?
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First off thank you for typing that, I can now copy and paste "Taoiseach"

Yes I think thats right- there are meetings going in between Fianna Fail, Fine Gael (sorry if spelled wrong) and Sinn Fein to thrash out a deal but according to the news there is a lot of gameplaying, bargaining etc going on and obvioulsy the Coronavirus thing means its taking longer anyway.

In fact scrap that- just googled and my adopted country is apparently going for a "Shilton/ Clemence" type arrangement where they rotate power, Sinn Fein out of the picture. Clearly as an Englishman in Ireland that instinctively makes me happy, although they are the growing force to be honest.

Micheal Martin to get first go as Taoiseach as Fianna Fail and Fine Gael 'agree' to rotating powers | The Irish Post

The best comparison I could give to what parties we've had in UK is the original 'New Labour'.
 
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