Ring Of Steel
Well-Known Member
Correct, and it wasn't the Conservatives in power for SARS & Swine Flu... was it? No can't have been.
I think the main takeaway so far, other than the general incompetence of our government and them spending all their energy spinning rather than acting, has been to take the risk seriously. Successive U.K. governments have had warnings and not acted.
You mean like Madrid, New York, Seattle, Rome? Arrivals | Heathrow
But don't worry, I'm sure its just all "cargo"
The virus is slightly different. Australia was taking the same steps as Asian countries during SARS according to numerous Aussies I socialised with in Thailand and were astounded that the U.K. was not talking the same measures at least with traffic from Asia. A more serious strain of the virus requires more serious action and that’s what Australia has very simply done. I don’t think it’s asking too much of our government to follow known examples with a history of proving to work. The reality is it’s actually the least they should be doing. Yet...Slightly different to quarantining every retuning flight though. Which is what I was responding to.
Even if you do take temperatures on individuals returning, if someone’s got it you’d have to quarantine whole flight, staff etc as you don’t know who’ve they been in contact with. Also it appears that there are potentially large quantities of asymptomatic or mild symptoms cases, in which case temperature taking will be irrelevant for those individuals
Probably the bigger, potentially more useful decision would’ve been surrounding stopping flights altogether from highly infected regions prior to our full outbreak/lockdown here
The virus is slightly different. Australia was taking the same steps as Asian countries during SARS according to numerous Aussies I socialised with in Thailand and were astounded that the U.K. was not talking the same measures at least with traffic from Asia. A more serious strain of the virus requires more serious action and that’s what Australia has very simply done. I don’t think it’s asking too much of our government to follow known examples with a history of proving to work. The reality is it’s actually the least they should be doing. Yet...
Ive not said anything about cargo. Just the ability for us to quarantine tens or hundreds of thousands of repatriated UK citizens, therefore making quarantining nigh on impossible
No matter who was ruling party it would still be the same Scientist & Medical scientist advising them!I'm not sure how you can be so angry when its not even half time in this yet. You have no idea whether we have made the right or wrong decisions yet, its far too early to tell, nobody can be 100% sure. We got this disease at roughly the same time as those around us and as far as i can tell are not coping any worst than others. Could we have gone into lock down earlier, maybe, will Italy lock down earlier come back to be a bad idea, maybe... everyone has had to make decisions and to be honest its hardly a competition is it! Pretty sure they weren't sat on their arses thinking, we wont do anything today, only a few extra thousand will die...
Agree it shouldnt have been unknown territory but, if this had happened at any time in the last 30-40 years i doubt any government would have "coped" better.
Correct, and it wasn't the Conservatives in power for SARS & Swine Flu... was it? No can't have been.
No matter who was ruling party it would still be the same Scientist & Medical scientist advising them!
You mean like Madrid, New York, Seattle, Rome? Arrivals | Heathrow
But don't worry, I'm sure its just all "cargo"
No, but doing something would be good, as opposed to letting everyone walk through and head off, which is what is happening. We are so far out of kilter with what we know to be safe & sensible things to do its absolutely ridiculous.
You're a smart guy but the constant justification of our abject failure to follow even the most basic of common sense actions is weird.
Well, no queues at Madam Tussards or the Tower of London.What do you think it is - tourists?
No, but doing something would be good, as opposed to letting everyone walk through and head off, which is what is happening. We are so far out of kilter with what we know to be safe & sensible things to do its absolutely ridiculous.
You're a smart guy but the constant justification of our abject failure to follow even the most basic of common sense actions is weird.
I’ll take being weird and smart in the same paragraph (not particular either though)
I’ve tried (and possibly failed) to explain why I don’t see there is much benefit of doing certain things now or why they would be almost impossible (quarantining every returning flight). I also commented that stopping flights from high risk areas would’ve been the more useful (but more difficult) decision
I’ll take being weird and smart in the same paragraph (not particular either though)
I’ve tried (and possibly failed) to explain why I don’t see there is much benefit of doing certain things now or why they would be almost impossible (quarantining every returning flight). I also commented that stopping flights from high risk areas would’ve been the more useful (but more difficult) decision
Ministers are thick as short planks as far as i am concerned! They love to spout about whats being done but forget the small detail about who is doing the work to make it happen! Advisors advise and the Civil Service has to make it happen and Ministers stand there spouting off as if they know what the F^%$ they are talking about! too many single points of failure there for my likingThis is a very naive view of how government advisors work
The point I’m making is Australia learned from SARS as did other countries so when a more potent strain comes along they understand it needs a more potent response which is why they’ve upped their game. Our government is lacking behind what other countries were doing for SARS let alone stepping up to meet the demands of dealing with a far more dangerous strain. How in any way can that be acceptable?As I’ve said I was responding to the suggestion of now quarantining of all returning flights to the UK (not what could/should have been done in the past)
You’re obsessed with me. I bet if you had any real friends you’d bore them to tears talking about me.ROS has gone full Skybluetony now - rational debate ceased some time ago
About time!! What has been posted on here and the UK media about new positive cases here has been majorly misleading.You can already see it in Italy. The uneducated on here hate this graph, but its the best piece of info out there to show things properly- look at Italy. If we want to see whether lockdown is working we have to look at new cases.
What are Dublin doing? What would you do?
Steve. You just have to look at the example of countries that are dealing with this best and compare it to our governments response. There’s a huge void, you must understand that.I’ll take being weird and smart in the same paragraph (not particular either though)
I’ve tried (and possibly failed) to explain why I don’t see there is much benefit of doing certain things now or why they would be almost impossible (quarantining every returning flight). I also commented that stopping flights from high risk areas would’ve been the more useful (but more difficult) decision
I think that some restrictions here by the end of April with people fully back at work in June.When does everyone optimistically see the Lockdown restrictions start to be lifted?? I reckon the first week of June so another 8 weeks
Now I would be weird or smart if I knew the answer to that mateSomething that crossed my mind, pilots have to have X amount of flight time in in a given time period to maintain there rank and type of flights they are allowed to fly.
What happens if they can't do this due to cancellations?
I doubt it will be before that unless we really step up our game with testing. Unless we replicate SK for testing it could be longer.When does everyone optimistically see the Lockdown restrictions start to be lifted?? I reckon the first week of June so another 8 weeks
But they don't know anything about sport!Trump and the Brazilian president are in a league of their own though.
How people can actually defend them is beyond me.When she questions the government's actions, you know they are really fucking up.
Lack of testing becomes political problem
"would you rather be in Italy?"
You couldn't even work out what the equivalent death rate in UK would be compared with USA population, which is just incredibly basic maths, you were full in favour of herd immunity, you have tried to make out the government are doing a sterling job every step of the way but you cannot say why, you can't read a simple graph, you asserted that the Russian military were on the streets of Italy and that some Chinese were magically able to infect people several hundreds of miles away, amongst other things. Its not gone terribly well. You demonstrably haven't really got a scooby what is going on and/or are being contrary to get someone to engage in strange abstract arguments which have no basis in fact, and are thus of little to no relevance. I would invite you to proceed with your bizarre journey of misinformation, falsehoods & nonsense and ask someone else some stupid and meaningless questions.
Steve. You just have to look at the example of countries that are dealing with this best and compare it to our governments response. There’s a huge void, you must understand that.
How people can actually defend them is beyond me.
It is, if not been done already, going to be suspended along with with things like the need for planes to fly to avoid losing landing slots. Not exactly environmentally friendly to have loads of empty planes flying around just to ensure they keep the slots but that's exactly what was starting to happen.Something that crossed my mind, pilots have to have X amount of flight time in in a given time period to maintain there rank and type of flights they are allowed to fly.
What happens if they can't do this due to cancellations?
Bet he's put the prices up as well!Reminds me. Spoke to a mate last night who’s little brother is a drug dealer and is carrying on as normal, lives with his mum who is high risk due to a lung condition. Boils my blood.
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