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BackRoomRummermill

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,466
I think now is not the time to judge actions of anybody with responsibility , that time is when the final whistle blows so to speak , it’s a no win for anyone here ,terrible what has happened and will happen , we just need to get through it play your part and at the end when hope to god it comes soon then point fingers , there is no conspiracy here
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,467
CCFCSteve said:
No, you can talk about it when you want and in particular raise the issues that are live now (PPE or if we were breaching ICU/ventilator capacity etc) but I’m just saying you can’t make sweeping statements on the governments overall performance when we don’t know the outcome. As I say you may be right but you also might be wrong, only time will tell
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Actually I can. If I was making it up you'd have a point.
 
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The coventrian

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,468
David O'Day said:
Kier Starmer is going to be leader in about a week.

Also how would the person who was right about the need for properly equipped and funded public services be a disaster?
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I'm not saying it's not been underfunded. But to constantly blame everything on the Tories is fucking boring. Half this lot on here dont really give a fuck. Its just political point scoring. If the labour party didn't resemble a left wing squatters rights party then we wouldn't have to vote these cunts in every 4 years.
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,469
skybluetony176 said:
I hate to be the one to break it to you but Corbyn is about to be replaced. There is no Corbyn and Co, they’re an ex shadow government, they’ve expired, they are no more.
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I don't even know who's in that bloody party, they seem to have been electing a new leader for months
 

skybluetony176

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,470
The coventrian said:
This government? You dont even live here. It just fits your agenda.
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Still true though.
 
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Ring Of Steel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,471
The coventrian said:
I'm not saying it's not been underfunded. But to constantly blame everything on the Tories is fucking boring. Half this lot on here dont really give a fuck. Its just political point scoring. If the labour party didn't resemble a left wing squatters rights party then we wouldn't have to vote these cunts in every 4 years.
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You are half right. The opposition is pathetic. But if you don't allocate responsibility to the people responsible for running the country, I'm not sure who you do allocate responsibility to, unless you go down your route and just blame the dirty Chinese and immigrants for everything.
 
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The coventrian

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,472
Ring Of Steel said:
Ah, I see you've chosen answer 2 from the repertoire of stock responses.

1. "Its not the right time to talk about it"
2. "Labour would have been worse"
3. "Would you rather live in Italy"
4. "Its all down to the Chinese immigrants"

I'm sure you're about to stun me with an eloquent response now...
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Wtf are you on about? Would I rather live in Italy? I've no clue what your on about.
 
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The coventrian

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,473
skybluetony176 said:
I hate to be the one to break it to you but Corbyn is about to be replaced. There is no Corbyn and Co, they’re an ex shadow government, they’ve expired, they are no more.
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Just goes to show how irrelevant labour are these days then. They're a fucking shambles.
 

Ring Of Steel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,474
The coventrian said:
Wtf are you on about? Would I rather live in Italy? I've no clue what your on about.
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Thats pretty obvious tbf
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,475
The coventrian said:
I'm not saying it's not been underfunded. But to constantly blame everything on the Tories is fucking boring. Half this lot on here dont really give a fuck. Its just political point scoring. If the labour party didn't resemble a left wing squatters rights party then we wouldn't have to vote these cunts in every 4 years.
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Personally I think that any life that is lost due to incompetence is one too many, the only one mouthing off and point scoring here is you.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,476
The coventrian said:
I'm not saying it's not been underfunded. But to constantly blame everything on the Tories is fucking boring. Half this lot on here dont really give a fuck. Its just political point scoring. If the labour party didn't resemble a left wing squatters rights party then we wouldn't have to vote these cunts in every 4 years.
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You realise who has been in power the last ten years right? People aren’t complaining about the Tories because they’re mean old lefties, but because they’re actually in charge.

And considering the Tories have been more completely taken over by their looney fringe than Labour ever were (case in point: no one nation Tories left, lots of blairites left), not sure your “but I want a non looney party” argument holds much water either.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,477
Funny how those that have an issue with people scoring political points can’t shut up about Corbyn as if he was relevant to how well the government perform.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,478
The coventrian said:
What's the alternative? The loony left labour party? Fucking hell yes the Tories arent the best Corbyn and co would be a fucking disaster.
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Impossible to say. But chances are they would be looking to give the NHS and other services what they need more than the Tories. Biggest fear would be the health workers union as well as others using it as a massive bargaining chip later on when the crisis is over and causing problems. Although they may well still do that.

I think the biggest problem for the Tories will be the economic situation that follows from this, as that's supposedly their strong point. Could lose some of their traditional voters as well as their recently acquired Labour voters. But as I say they've got pretty much a full term to ride this out.

Part of me things they'll use this as an excuse to get Brexit extended indefinitely so it remains an issue next time around and they can go through the same playbook.
 
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The coventrian

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,479
Ring Of Steel said:
You are half right. The opposition is pathetic. But if you don't allocate responsibility to the people responsible for running the country, I'm not sure who you do allocate responsibility to, unless you go down your route and just blame the dirty Chinese and immigrants for everything.
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The dirty Chinese? They fucking started this shit and now thousands are dieing because of them. What's immigration got to do with it? Stock response from the loony left.
 

MalcSB

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,480
Ring Of Steel said:
Public Health England today expended testing capacity from 1 to 12 dedicated laboratories. So thats good news. Then you look at some other countries.. Germany has 174, South Korea has 96.

Its hard to not believe there may be an element of truth to this, we can't be this stupid, inept and incompetent can we?
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You can have as many labs as you like, but they aren’t much help if you can’t get the equipment.
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,481
shmmeee said:
You realise who has been in power the last ten years right? People aren’t complaining about the Tories because they’re mean old lefties, but because they’re actually in charge.

And considering the Tories have been more completely taken over by their looney fringe than Labour ever were (case in point: no one nation Tories left, lots of blairites left), not sure your “but I want a non looney party” argument holds much water either.
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This is the point. If it was someone else in power making the same mistakes, they'd get the same. But they're not. And haven't been for a decade.
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,482
MalcSB said:
You can have as many labs as you like, but they aren’t much help if you can’t get the equipment.
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Thats kind of the point as well.
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,483
Ring Of Steel said:
Yes the stock response- "its not the right time to talk about this now."
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You keep saying we can’t compare other countries but that is nonsense as in the end we will have to to evaluate what everyone did well and what went wrong
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,484
The coventrian said:
I'm not saying it's not been underfunded. But to constantly blame everything on the Tories is fucking boring. Half this lot on here dont really give a fuck. Its just political point scoring. If the labour party didn't resemble a left wing squatters rights party then we wouldn't have to vote these cunts in every 4 years.
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But it was austerity that caused the underfunding of the NHS austerity was a political choice based on political desire for a small government and a faulty Harvard professors spreadsheet.

Squatters rights? What is it about saying we need to properly fund all public services that is squatters rights?
 
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The coventrian

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,485
Sick Boy said:
Personally I think that any life that is lost due to incompetence is one too many, the only one mouthing off and point scoring here is you.
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No it's not it's you lot wanking each other off again about the Tories. If your party werent such a joke then maybe the working class might vote for them again. You think I wanna vote tory? There the better of two evils.
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,486
I must not be working class
 

Sick Boy

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,487
The coventrian said:
No it's not it's you lot wanking each other off again about the Tories. If your party werent such a joke then maybe the working class might vote for them again. You think I wanna vote tory? There the better of two evils.
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My party? I am not a member of any political party and didn't vote for Corbyn either.
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,488
The coventrian said:
No it's not it's you lot wanking each other off again about the Tories. If your party werent such a joke then maybe the working class might vote for them again. You think I wanna vote tory? There the better of two evils.
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I don't think a party exists that would suit your view of the world, not that hasn't been shut down anyway.
 

shmmeee

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,489
Ring Of Steel said:
This is the point. If it was someone else in power making the same mistakes, they'd get the same. But they're not. And haven't been for a decade.
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As I posted earlier, New Labour also didn’t take pandemic prep seriously enough at the end of their tenure. I’m just not sure shouting at Alan Johnson has much point right now.
 
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The coventrian

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,490
David O'Day said:
But it was austerity that caused the underfunding of the NHS austerity was a political choice based on political desire for a small government and a faulty Harvard professors spreadsheet.

Squatters rights? What is it about saying we need to properly fund all public services that is squatters rights?
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I was under the impression austerity was done to the mess the labour party left the country in. We have to pay are way though surely. Hopefully after this shite has ended the Tories have got the kick up the arse they need to fund it properly.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,491
shmmeee said:
Funny how those that have an issue with people scoring political points can’t shut up about Corbyn as if he was relevant to how well the government perform.
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Yeah but would you rather live in Italy?
 
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The coventrian

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,492
Ring Of Steel said:
I don't think a party exists that would suit your view of the world, not that hasn't been shut down anyway.
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Whys that then?
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,493
Grendel said:
You keep saying we can’t compare other countries but that is nonsense as in the end we will have to to evaluate what everyone did well and what went wrong
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Indeed we will but each country is made up differently. Different age distributions, different populations and population densities, different cultural habits/underlying health of the population. Pollutant levels may also be a factor given it's a respiratory disease. Potentially even the climate could be a factor.

What one country does successfully may have been a disaster elsewhere. So while there will inevitably be comparison, the huge amount of uncontrollable variables will compromise it.
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,494
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Indeed we will but each country is made up differently. Different age distributions, different populations and population densities, different cultural habits/underlying health of the population. Pollutant levels may also be a factor given it's a respiratory disease. Potentially even the climate could be a factor.

What one country does successfully may have been a disaster elsewhere. So while there will inevitably be comparison, the huge amount of uncontrollable variables will compromise it.
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So you are saying that ignoring and then lying about equipment procurement schemes, failing to communicate clearly, herd immunity, failing to equip health workers, failing to increase test levels and lying about it etc are somehow due to the air quality in the UK? Righto, glad thats cleared up. I was beginning to think they were just incompetent.
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,495
Sick Boy said:
My party? I am not a member of any political party and didn't vote for Corbyn either.
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It’s a bit rich though to say if one life was lost through incompetence then governments should fall - then every European country will have new governments will they not?
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,496
The coventrian said:
I was under the impression austerity was done to the mess the labour party left the country in. We have to pay are way though surely. Hopefully after this shite has ended the Tories have got the kick up the arse they need to fund it properly.
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The mess the labour party left us in? It was a global financial crisis started in the US when they repealed Glass-Steagal and the following pushing of sub prime leaning which then went bad. These sub prime loans were then packaged as derivatives which were somehow given AAA ratings by the credit ratings agencies and sold to other banks worldwide which spread the financial contagion. This reduced liquidity 8n the financial markets and a restriction of credit triggering a global recession.

Forgive me but what part did labour play in that?
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,497
Ring Of Steel said:
So you are saying that ignoring and then lying about equipment procurement schemes, failing to communicate clearly, herd immunity, failing to equip health workers, failing to increase test levels and lying about it etc are somehow due to the air quality in the UK? Righto, glad thats cleared up. I was beginning to think they were just incompetent.
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The most recent poll had the Tories st the most popular they have ever been at 55% of the electorate
 
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The coventrian

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,498
Ring Of Steel said:
So you are saying that ignoring and then lying about equipment procurement schemes, failing to communicate clearly, herd immunity, failing to equip health workers, failing to increase test levels and lying about it etc are somehow due to the air quality in the UK? Righto, glad thats cleared up. I was beginning to think they were just incompetent.
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Just think of all those oap Brexit voters that have died. I'm sure you've raised a glass or two?
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,499
The coventrian said:
I was under the impression austerity was done to the mess the labour party left the country in. We have to pay are way though surely. Hopefully after this shite has ended the Tories have got the kick up the arse they need to fund it properly.
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That's what we were told. Until all of a sudden everything was fine and austerity was over. Done. Then in an inordinately short period of time we've managed to find a magic money tree to fund all sort of stuff for Johnson and seemingly sprouted a small wood in a few weeks after the budget to support businesses affected by this crisis.

Businesses which the government aren't wholly responsible for - £££
Public services which the government are - ........
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 31, 2020
  • #10,500
The coventrian said:
Just think of all those oap Brexit voters that have died. I'm sure you've raised a glass or two?
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Some have said on social media it’s the boomer disease and is Justice for Europe
 
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