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wingy

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  • Oct 15, 2021
  • #52,081
Time for a rebate then?
 

chiefdave

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  • Oct 16, 2021
  • #52,082
The usual high quality journalism from the CT. An article headlined 'GP on how to tell the difference between the 'worst lurgy ever' and Covid' contains this stunning advise.
Getting a Covid test is key to distinguishing between the cold and coronavirus according to Dr Wall, who said: "It's a really difficult one because you can’t tell the difference. That’s the problem.
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chiefdave

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  • Oct 16, 2021
  • #52,083

Test and trace blunder blamed for 32% drop in Covid app test results

Exclusive: ‘This has undermined the functionality of the app and means it isn’t able to do the job it was designed to do effectively’
www.independent.co.uk
A cost-saving blunder by the government’s Test and Trace service has triggered a 32 per cent drop in positive Covid test results entered into the Covid-19 app
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wingy

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  • Oct 16, 2021
  • #52,084
chiefdave said:

Test and trace blunder blamed for 32% drop in Covid app test results

Exclusive: ‘This has undermined the functionality of the app and means it isn’t able to do the job it was designed to do effectively’
www.independent.co.uk
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Well I mean, who cares?
 

clint van damme

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  • Oct 18, 2021
  • #52,085
This is an interesting, and slightly worrying, thread.

 
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wingy

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  • Oct 18, 2021
  • #52,086
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I used to be able to book online and then last year the option disappeared. Dunno if they were having problems with it or it was being misused but I found it worked brilliantly and I'm gutted the option is gone.
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Not user friendly for the elderly I'd think.
Probably their main customers?
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 18, 2021
  • #52,087
clint van damme said:
This is an interesting, and slightly worrying, thread.

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Yes.
 

Evo1883

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  • Oct 18, 2021
  • #52,088
clint van damme said:
This is an interesting, and slightly worrying, thread.

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What's worrying? The data or the Scottish nationalist attitudes towards the data in the comments ? They sound like tories down here
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 18, 2021
  • #52,089
clint van damme said:
This is an interesting, and slightly worrying, thread.

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Lots of interesting stuff there
 

clint van damme

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  • Oct 18, 2021
  • #52,090
Evo1883 said:
What's worrying? The data or the Scottish nationalist attitudes towards the data in the comments ? They sound like tories down here
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The parts about efficacy. Explains why Israel saw that rise in hospitalisations earlier in the year.
To compound it there was areport on the radio this morning saying the booster program isn't going too well.
 

Evo1883

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  • Oct 18, 2021
  • #52,091
clint van damme said:
The parts about efficacy. Explains why Israel saw that rise in hospitalisations earlier in the year.
To compound it there was areport on the radio this morning saying the booster program isn't going too well.
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As in not a large uptake
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 18, 2021
  • #52,092
clint van damme said:
The parts about efficacy. Explains why Israel saw that rise in hospitalisations earlier in the year.
To compound it there was areport on the radio this morning saying the booster program isn't going too well.
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Yes there was also a concern that Isreal went too early with their booster programme.
While at home I find the opinion of the Oxford professor who developed it,along with the boss of AZ slightly at odds to Govt policy.
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 18, 2021
  • #52,093

GPs and patients complain about Covid-19 booster jab chaos

Last week the Mail on Sunday revealed thousands of vulnerable patients from across Britain are having difficulties in securing a Covid booster shot. This week they tell their stories.
www.dailymail.co.uk
 

clint van damme

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  • Oct 18, 2021
  • #52,094
Evo1883 said:
As in not a large uptake
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Not very well organised by the sound of it. Hopefully they sort it out.
 

chiefdave

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  • Oct 18, 2021
  • #52,095
clint van damme said:
This is an interesting, and slightly worrying, thread.

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Had just seen this on twitter and was about to post it. Its odd to me that in general people don't seem concerned that our numbers are higher than elsewhere yet we have zero mitigations in place. Does nobody think there's a connection between the two things?

Was a thread on a hockey forum I'm on recently about attending games this season and it was only in England that people were saying nothing had changed since pre-covid. Everyone else commenting about attending arenas around Europe and in North America was speaking of needing proof of vaccination and masks but here there's no attempt at all to stop the spread.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 18, 2021
  • #52,096
chiefdave said:
Had just seen this on twitter and was about to post it. Its odd to me that in general people don't seem concerned that our numbers are higher than elsewhere yet we have zero mitigations in place. Does nobody think there's a connection between the two things?

Was a thread on a hockey forum I'm on recently about attending games this season and it was only in England that people were saying nothing had changed since pre-covid. Everyone else commenting about attending arenas around Europe and in North America was speaking of needing proof of vaccination and masks but here there's no attempt at all to stop the spread.
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We might possibly be testing what the ‘acceptable’ death rate is.
 
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Grendel

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  • Oct 18, 2021
  • #52,097
chiefdave said:
Had just seen this on twitter and was about to post it. Its odd to me that in general people don't seem concerned that our numbers are higher than elsewhere yet we have zero mitigations in place. Does nobody think there's a connection between the two things?

Was a thread on a hockey forum I'm on recently about attending games this season and it was only in England that people were saying nothing had changed since pre-covid. Everyone else commenting about attending arenas around Europe and in North America was speaking of needing proof of vaccination and masks but here there's no attempt at all to stop the spread.
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how many are in hospital about 8,000?
 

chiefdave

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  • Oct 18, 2021
  • #52,098
Grendel said:
how many are in hospital about 8,000?
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From the FT article just posted 'comparing the situation in the UK vs a selection of Western Europe peers' ... 'hospital admissions are 6x higher'

 

Grendel

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  • Oct 18, 2021
  • #52,099
So 7,088 in hospital on Oct 14

France has more as one example doesn’t it?
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 18, 2021
  • #52,100

Covid France: Pressure mounts on hospitals; most patients unvaccinated

Hospitals across the country are seeing a rise in admissions and entries into intensive care units, with a marked shift to significantly younger patients compared to 2020
www.connexionfrance.com
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 18, 2021
  • #52,101
Grendel said:
So 7,088 in hospital on Oct 14

France has more as one example doesn’t it?
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Not sure on that but we're roughly running ten time's the amount of infection in Italy,Spain, possibly Sweden .
That's just on measured results not ONS data which is significantly higher .
Just feel it actually could be better than it is so the NHS and it's staff can get on with regular stuff after nearly two years of full on pressure.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 18, 2021
  • #52,102
Even I would struggle to believe even this PM would be that stupid, so I won't jump yet...

No 10 denies Boris and Carrie Johnson broke lockdown rules at Christmas

BORIS Johnson and his wife Carrie broke strict coronavirus lockdown rules last Christmas to spend the festive period with a friend at Number 10, it…
www.thenational.scot
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 18, 2021
  • #52,103
wingy said:
Not sure on that but we're roughly running ten time's the amount of infection in Italy,Spain, possibly Sweden .
That's just on measured results not ONS data which is significantly higher .
Just feel it actually could be better than it is so the NHS and it's staff can get on with regular stuff after nearly two years of full on pressure.
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Infections do seem amongst the young mostly

Coronavirus (COVID-19) latest insights - Office for National Statistics

www.ons.gov.uk
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Oct 18, 2021
  • #52,104
Rightly or wrongly, I’d imagine there’s an element of accepting the wider circulation of the virus over late summer/autumn rather than winter. There feels like an acceptance now that everyone is going to get it at some stage

You’d hope that the scientists/gov/nhs are keeping a close eye on what’s happening with infection rates in certain age/risk groups, hospitalisations etc (sure they are).

I also think a lot of the U.K. public are just getting on with getting life back to normal. Again, I’m not saying this is right or wrong, only time will tell I guess.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Oct 18, 2021
  • #52,105
Deleted member 5849 said:
Even I would struggle to believe even this PM would be that stupid, so I won't jump yet...

No 10 denies Boris and Carrie Johnson broke lockdown rules at Christmas

BORIS Johnson and his wife Carrie broke strict coronavirus lockdown rules last Christmas to spend the festive period with a friend at Number 10, it…
www.thenational.scot
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Looks like they were careful with the statement wording. Probably happened but they say they followed rules (certainly if the individual lived on their own I think they could’ve joined bubble although even if they didn’t live alone I thought it was possible for xmas day ?!…there been lots of rule changes and a fair few months since so can’t really remember !!!)

Ps I spent Christmas Day with a couple of mates so would find it difficult to judge anyway
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 18, 2021
  • #52,106
Deleted member 5849 said:
Even I would struggle to believe even this PM would be that stupid, so I won't jump yet...

No 10 denies Boris and Carrie Johnson broke lockdown rules at Christmas

BORIS Johnson and his wife Carrie broke strict coronavirus lockdown rules last Christmas to spend the festive period with a friend at Number 10, it…
www.thenational.scot
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Really a bit of a non story
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 18, 2021
  • #52,107
CCFCSteve said:
Rightly or wrongly, I’d imagine there’s an element of accepting the wider circulation of the virus over late summer/autumn rather than winter. There feels like an acceptance now that everyone is going to get it at some stage

You’d hope that the scientists/gov/nhs are keeping a close eye on what’s happening with infection rates in certain age/risk groups, hospitalisations etc (sure they are).

I also think a lot of the U.K. public are just getting on with getting life back to normal. Again, I’m not saying this is right or wrong, only time will tell I guess.
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I think we’re just leading other countries TBH, although we seem to be more devil may care than many with other measures, I expect like Isreal did other places will also see a rise when booster time comes around.

We do need to crack on with boosters though and the messaging seems to have gone very quiet on that. I’d like to see more public information stuff about how it’s still out there and wear a mask, etc.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 18, 2021
  • #52,108
CCFCSteve said:
Looks like they were careful with the statement wording. Probably happened but they say they followed rules (certainly if the individual lived on their own I think they could’ve joined bubble although even if they didn’t live alone I thought it was possible for xmas day ?!…there been lots of rule changes and a fair few months since so can’t really remember !!!)

Ps I spent Christmas Day with a couple of mates so would find it difficult to judge anyway
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It's down to the PM to set your example, mind!

But as said, I really *can't* imagine he'd be that stupid. Well... tbf I could imagine he could be that stupid, but he does have plenty of advisors to tell him not to be. Then again, who picked Hancock as a lothario?
 
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  • Oct 18, 2021
  • #52,109
shmmeee said:
I think we’re just leading other countries TBH, although we seem to be more devil may care than many with other measures, I expect like Isreal did other places will also see a rise when booster time comes around.

We do need to crack on with boosters though and the messaging seems to have gone very quiet on that. I’d like to see more public information stuff about how it’s still out there and wear a mask, etc.
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I'll also be a lot more comfortable when antivirals come online, and from my personal POV, if I'm allowed a chance of a vaccine boost next year, even if I have to pay...

As an aside, an elderly friend has been told by their doctor that they've run out of flu vaccines, and they'll have to make their own arrangements. Given last year they made a big deal about the risks of catching both Covid and flu, that ain't great...
 

hill83

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  • Oct 18, 2021
  • #52,110
shmmeee said:
We do need to crack on with boosters though and the messaging seems to have gone very quiet on that.
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They are being cracked on with. My uncle and grandad have had theirs and most of the old timers in the local I speak to have as well.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 18, 2021
  • #52,111
hill83 said:
They are being cracked on with. My uncle and grandad have had theirs and most of the old timers in the local I speak to have as well.
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Not at the rate the first shots were looking at the data. TBF my missus has had hers as well. But the data shows there’s something like 4m who are due but haven’t had theirs.
 

hill83

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  • Oct 18, 2021
  • #52,112
shmmeee said:
Not at the rate the first shots were looking at the data. TBF my missus has had hers as well. But the data shows there’s something like 4m who are due but haven’t had theirs.
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Yeah fair enough. Mine was only anecdotal evidence.
 

Evo1883

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  • Oct 18, 2021
  • #52,113
Old man's got his booster booked for next month
 

Astute

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  • Oct 18, 2021
  • #52,114
Grendel said:
So 7,088 in hospital on Oct 14

France has more as one example doesn’t it?
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They do their numbers differently to us. Most probably more honest. The numbers you see are people going to hospital. ICU numbers just over 1,000.

The Connexions site you used as evidence is very poor. If I had believed them I wouldn't have got my pass sanitaire. They have now vaccinated over 85% of over 12's. If you haven't got your pass sanitaire you can't enter any premises where they serve food or drink. This includes places where they have an outside area. You have to wear a mask to go into any shop or similar. No mask no entry. My children have to wear a mask all day at school even in the playground.

Have you seen what is happening in Italy? They are going on strike as everyone needs a similar pass to be able to go to work.

But in the UK we continue with life as though nothing has happened. We were miles ahead with vaccinations. Now we are behind.

Here are the proper updated numbers. They are directly off my pass sanitaire.

 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Oct 18, 2021
  • #52,115
Nearly 1100 in French ICU doesn't realy tally with the French case numbers though does it?

It would suggest to me that the numbers of reported cases are well under?

I could be wrong but I'm guessing France aint testing to the same extent?

UK currently officially has just under 800 on ventilators as off yesterday....I don't know how many in ICU....but i'm sure someone on here will let us know soon enough.
 
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