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COV

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #51,731
Bello said:
“As we prevent three deaths by vaccinating, we incur two deaths” Robert Mallone
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That would be Robert Mallone who was criticised for spreading misinformation about the efficacy and safety of vaccinations, whose research was based on a botched sentence in a magazine article which was later deleted, who's friends with Steve Bannon?
 
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COV

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #51,732
Bello said:
one piece of your “evidence"

"Pfizer vaccine does not work" scientific director of Pfizer Michael Yeadon
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That would be Michael Yeadon who has atttracted widespread criticism for spreading unfounded & provably false claims about COVID and the COVID vaccine, and who has had pretty much all of his statements publicly debunked? Who said there would be no second wave in October 2020, and who said that "healthy people cannot transmit COVID?"

Who do you get your financial advice from, Boris Becker?
 
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chiefdave

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  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #51,733
Bello said:
one piece of your “evidence"

"Pfizer vaccine does not work" scientific director of Pfizer Michael Yeadon
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Fact Check-Fact check: Ex-Pfizer scientist repeats COVID-19 vaccine misinformation in recorded speech

A former Pfizer scientist turned anti-vax proponent has made unfounded claims about the novel coronavirus in videos of a speech he gave that have been posted on social media.
www.reuters.com
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #51,734
Out of interest if you don't trust the experts and the science why do you believe someone like Yeadon?
 
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COV

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  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #51,735
Bello said:
Shmee, you are behaving like a Brown Shirt fanatic stirring up shit. Calm the fuck down
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Plenty of brown shirt fanatics around these parts m8
 
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COV

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #51,736
Bello said:
I don't know if you are aware that there are literally hundreds of scientists who do not agree with the vaccine program. Some of them are the ONLY Nobel prize winners in the field of immunology. As I said MY family are more important to me than your family are, don't be so arrogant to think otherwise.
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Interesting way to protect your family, by putting them at serious risk of catching a serious illness
 

COV

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  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #51,737
Bello said:
Most of his research (although money orientated) was based on the study of Prof Michael Levitt.
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You mean the same Michael Levitt that said this?

“I have been looking at Covid for a very long time, but I should say, as has been said about me numerous times, I am not an epidemiologist, I don’t have an MD.”
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #51,738
Bello said:
“As we prevent three deaths by vaccinating, we incur two deaths” Robert Mallone
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Complete bollocks. His opinion based on nothing that’s never been peer tested against a tsunami of evidence to the contrary from almost every virologist in the world that has been peer tested.

Why do you choose to believe one discredited crank against the entire peer tested medical profession? Doesn’t make sense and certainly displays the immaturity we spoke about earlier.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #51,739
Bello said:
That's right!

That's correct
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So you already know he’s a crank yet you still chose to believe him.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #51,740
Bello said:
Most of his research (although money orientated) was based on the study of Prof Michael Levitt.
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The guy who won the Nobel prize for his coding? Why would you believe him over those who are experts in the actual area in question?
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #51,741
Bello said:
one piece of your “evidence"

"Pfizer vaccine does not work" scientific director of Pfizer Michael Yeadon
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You should discredit wherever you you read this from simply for the fact that claims he’s a director of Pfizer. He isn’t. If they can’t even get a basic like that correct why would you entertain believing it.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #51,742
Bello said:
No, I meann the Professor Michael Levitt, the biophysicist at Stanford University who won the Nobel Prize for Chemistry.
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That’s the same Michael Levitt. One thing of note, he won the Nobel prize as part of a team. The others don’t share his view. If you’re using his prize to legitimise his in peer tested opinion then you have to apply the same logic to the others who won it with him, then the sensible thing to do would be to make a simple calculation of weight of numbers which tells you that the majority of his team think he’s wrong, therefore he’s wrong.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #51,743
Bello said:
one piece of your “evidence"

"Pfizer vaccine does not work" scientific director of Pfizer Michael Yeadon
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Utter crankery, it doesn't work apart from the overwhelming evidence that suggests actually it does.

Yeadon also said that there was zero chance vaccinated people could be infected by a new variant, I think he should make his mind up over whether vaccines work or not.
 

COV

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #51,744
Bello said:
No, I meann the Professor Michael Levitt, the biophysicist at Stanford University who won the Nobel Prize for Chemistry.
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Yep, I was thinking along similar lines, if Mark Robins left us we should get Eddie Jones in to replace him.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #51,745
Bello said:
Regardless, erring on the side of caution, I would rather listen to the advice of a biophysicist at Stanford University who won the Nobel Prize for Chemistry, than to some of the mainstream media. Wouldn't you? It's only common sense.
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Like I said. The rest of the team that won that prize don’t share his opinion. Weight of numbers tell you he’s wrong.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #51,746
Bello said:
I trust science, not pharma science. There are no experts.
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Pharma science is science. The clue is in the title.
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #51,747
This is pure Facebook brain rot
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #51,748
The nobel prize is a bit of a red herring, it's pretty likely that the teams that developed vaccines for Pfizer and Astra Zeneca will be nominated for a nobel prize, and rightly so.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #51,749
Bello said:
Crank? What on earth are you talking about? If you have nothing of substance to say, say nothing.
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The guy has nothing of substance. All he has is a misunderstood opinion that falls down with a minuscule amount of questioning. He’s absolutely a crank and you really don’t have to look into his opinions very hard to understand that.
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #51,750
fernandopartridge said:
The nobel prize is a bit of a red herring, it's pretty likely that the teams that developed vaccines for Pfizer and Astra Zeneca will be nominated for a nobel prize, and rightly so.
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And then the Nobel committee will become part of the woke elite or something and previously strongly held beliefs about the opinions of one Nobel winner will be dropped in favour of something else.

It’s not about the search for truth it’s confirmation bias. Start with the answer you want then find any shred of evidence to back it up.
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #51,751
Bello said:
I don't do facebook. By the way, did you know that Facebook "fact checkers" have two billion dollars in investments in pharmaceuticals?
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Salary: Fact Checker (October, 2022)

The average salary for a Fact Checker is £21,208 per year in United Kingdom. Click here to see the total pay, recent salaries shared and more!
www.glassdoor.co.uk

That’s a lot of money to invest for people earning less than £20k
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #51,752
fernandopartridge said:
The nobel prize is a bit of a red herring, it's pretty likely that the teams that developed vaccines for Pfizer and Astra Zeneca will be nominated for a nobel prize, and rightly so.
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Made that point. The rest of the team that won it with him also don’t share his opinion having listened to peer proven evidence.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #51,753
So bello. So far you have named 3 cranks that share discredited opinions that fly in the face of peer proven fact.

Anything else?
 
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chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #51,754
Bello said:
I trust science, not pharma science. There are no experts.
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Do you apply this to everything or just covid vaccines?

If you were to get ill with something other than covid would you refuse all medication and ignore any advise from pharmacists, doctors, nurses, consultants etc?
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #51,755
Bello said:
Ooooh, you got me!
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I’ll take that as a no then. So basically 3 discredited scientists that fly in the face of convention with unverified, un peer tested opinions not based on actual facts trump hundreds if not thousands of scientists, many of who are actual experts in the relevant fields, many of whom will have Noble prizes for their work.

You’re not going to get the vaccine and protect yourself and your family from Covid while also being part of the problem that will mean that your grandchildren will have to be vaccinated based on 3 carefully selected cranks. Wow, what a family man you are.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #51,756
Bello said:
I don't do facebook. By the way, did you know that Facebook "fact checkers" have two billion dollars in investments in pharmaceuticals?
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That is a huge stretch any way you look at it. The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation donated $53,501 to factcheck.org. RWJF holds stock in J&J.
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #51,757
Bello said:
I see no real arguments anymore. No rationality, only insults, and appeals through the media from authority. And people like you Liquid Gold and SkyBlueTony, I've read it all before, simplifying and gaslighting arguments to their basest level and giving no real substance. It may be scorn and ridicule now, and yes it's succeeding but what will be the long-term cost? Who's going to stand up and ask the questions if people like you bombard every question with a barrage of bullshit?
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You've seen it all before because everybody is sick of your shit.

Get vaccinated and stop being a pussy, it's just a little scratch.
 
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Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #51,758
Bello said:
I rest my case
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This isn't some moral victory mate. You're endangering other people because of some bullshit you've read online you're not qualified to understand.

Get vaccinated
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #51,759
Bello said:
Okay, I'm gonna say this and then I'm done.

DO NOT ALLOW YOUR CHILDREN TO BE VACCINATED!
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Okay, I’m going to say this.

IF MY CHILDREN HAVE TO GET VACCINATED ITS ON MORONS LIKE YOU.
 

hill83

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  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #51,760
Few cases turning up in my sons school year this week. Being advised to get tested and crack on.
 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #51,761
IF ANTS WERE THE SIZE OF DOGS THEY'D RULE THE WORLD.
 

hill83

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  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #51,762
@Bello mate. There are people in this thread who have died of Covid and people very close to losing family members. Just leave it.
 
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Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #51,763
Me laughing as parents shout at me for lighting fireworks in the nursery class

"so many idiots round here"
 
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Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #51,764
Bello said:
Okay, I'm gonna say this and then I'm done.

DO NOT ALLOW YOUR CHILDREN TO BE VACCINATED!
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With respect I’ll take the advice of my daughters consultant with 40 years of medical experience thanks.
 
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hill83

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  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #51,765
Ian1779 said:
With respect I’ll take the advice of my daughters consultant with 40 years of medical experience thanks.
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Sheep
 
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