Grendel
Well-Known Member
I very much doubt he is. When it comes down to it he’s very selective in his stance on authoritarian behaviour by the state
I’m sure you’re uneasy of proof of vaccination for events being used to coerce and manipulate behaviour aren’t you?
I’m not lauding anything and I don’t personally believe I have the right to judge what is valid and what isn’t.
I have also pointed out it’s not forced vaccination but a restriction in peoples ability to enjoy freedoms if they reject it. Perhaps they should all have to wear an orange boiler suit with a COVID emoji when they leave the house so we know who they are
I’m not sure what you mean by the last sentence. I do know piers Corbyn was fined £10,000 for organising a rally that broke COVID rules last year. I have looked but I can’t see evidence of other, far larger but more popular gatherings receiving the same treatment - how very odd
What percentage are we talking here Pete?I’m sure you’re uneasy of proof of vaccination for events being used to coerce and manipulate behaviour aren’t you?
Every time someone says something you launch into an attack on various other countries (particularly Italy?) and various people who have nothing to do with what is being talked about as far as I can see
I’m sure you’re uneasy of proof of vaccination for events being used to coerce and manipulate behaviour aren’t you?
I genuinely see your point.
But wouldn't you say that with the current situation as it is, saying that its a means of "coercive behaviour" and "manipulation" is a bit over-dramatic?
Far as I can see people are talking about whether there is a way for as many people as possible to do what they want without putting others at risk- where is the problem with that?
The government isn’t the country.I’m answering a question on protests - I’d like you to provide evidence on attacks on other counties. Interestingly many posters on here attack their own country but I guess that’s ok
I’m answering a question on protests - I’d like you to provide evidence on attacks on other counties. Interestingly many posters on here attack their own country but I guess that’s ok
So in countries that are now vaccinating school children would you deny their liberty if the do not have it and if not why not as they are high risk spreaders
I haven't attacked any country (at least knowingly), but in the last couple of hours alone you've had a pop at Italy, Australia, Hungary, and boasted about how we'll be top of the vaccination league (which may well be true actually from the big nations), and thats without trawling through all the rest of all this.
I don't think you particularly have anything against any other country per se- but the second anyone says anything even mildly negative about us, you go all out to point out how everyone else is terrible. I don't know if its a diversion or as someone else says you're a uber-nationalist- no big deal either way... but why the strange fascination with how Italy are getting it all wrong?
I haven’t had a pop at anyone - we all know this is what you do
When you made an arse of yourself last time on here you disappeared for 6 months and crawled under a rock
I showed a factual link regarding protests in Italy and France - that’s it
lol, that was not "it", you're doing it again
Everyone can see, its ok.
So it was right to let these people die?That rules out all of Europe then. Not North Korea though
So it was right to let these people die?
Are you being serious? Globally about 4 million have is it? What do you think - pit every government in the dock?
Our record is far worse than most. And Australia 's one of the best. So crazy that you are criticising them but praising our incompetenceAre you being serious? Globally about 4 million have is it? What do you think - pit every government in the dock?
“I’ve said before that we should be open-minded, and frankly, what I’d say is that when the state provides services to people then it’s a two-way street – you’ve got to take your responsibilities, too,”
“So I think there’s a very strong argument for having compulsory vaccinations for children when they go to school, because otherwise they’re putting other children at risk.”
“I think there’s a very strong argument for movement to compulsory vaccination, and I think the public would back us.”
Our record is far worse than most. And Australia 's one of the best. So crazy that you are criticising them but praising our incompetence
Do you think it was right not to protect care homes, to let people return to them with covid?Are you being serious? Globally about 4 million have is it? What do you think - pit every government in the dock?
Who said it? (No Googling)
Oh dear the full sixth form master debating society is out in force - I’ll come back when they’ve gone to bed
Who said it? (No Googling)
That won't be long if I'm included in that gang (and I'm honoured)- not slept for days with this blasted heat and I need a lie down with some ice cream and netflix
...but when you do come back will you even attempt to answer him?
Can’t imagine what that’s a euphemism for.I need a lie down with some ice cream and netflix
Why bother answering. It’s a political agenda ridden question with someone who has an agenda
Do you think it was right not to protect care homes, to let people return to them with covid? NO, PEOPLE NEED LOCKING UP FOR THAT
Was it right to discourage people from wearing masks at the start? NO, BUT THAT WAS IGNORANCE NOT MALELOVANCE
Was it right to delay putting India on the red list while countries with lower incidence were in it? NO, THATS ON JOHNSON
Do people who made these mistakes not have to face up to this? YES... BUT IN WHAT WAY?
Shouldn't countries that have had very few deaths like Australia and New Zealand and who have had much more of their societies open throughout not be what we aspire to? IN SOME WAYS BUT THEY'RE VERY DIFFERENT COUNTRIES, CAN'T DIRECTLY COMPARE.. ON COVID.. YES
I know who said it. Do I get measles as a reward
Were you upset at the idea of mandatory vaccines for schoolkids at the time? Or have you changed your mind since all the recent protests you’ve been following?
I’ve always been against
Vaccine compulsory strategy for any age groups
Identity cards
Voter identity proof
I’m not following any protests I do support right to do so however and am against selective punishment of certain protests and protesters based on a popularity contest
Good old MHancock. Whatever happened to him?Who said it? (No Googling)
Not even the woman who was essentially inciting people to go after doctors & nurses?
Where is your line
Percentage of events? Or people? I’ve changed my mind I don’t think any level is ok.What percentage are we talking here Pete?
I’ve always been against
Vaccine compulsory strategy for any age groups
Identity cards
Voter identity proof
I’m not following any protests I do support right to do so however and am against selective punishment of certain protests and protesters based on a popularity contest
As I say the danger for the fruit loops is it looks like the vaccine doesn’t stand or fall on its own merit. I need to understand a little more about why double vaccinated people are getting seriously ill and dying to be certain of my opinion. I genuinely see your opinion too. I don’t trust johnson and JavidI genuinely see your point.
But wouldn't you say that with the current situation as it is, saying that its a means of "coercive behaviour" and "manipulation" is a bit over-dramatic?
Far as I can see people are talking about whether there is a way for as many people as possible to do what they want without putting others at risk- where is the problem with that?
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