I'm not being sensitive but you're projecting the actions of thousands onto a country of 60 million.I don’t know why you get sensitive - I’m pointing out acts of this diet can’t be ignored. If 80 cities in the U.K. say had thousands protesting against the Johnson government and its handling of the pandemic you would just dismiss them as cranks?
I don’t know why you get sensitive - I’m pointing out acts of this diet can’t be ignored. If 80 cities in the U.K. say had thousands protesting against the Johnson government and its handling of the pandemic you would just dismiss them as cranks?
It represents about 1% of the total, it's a non story and Peston is an idiotLiterally what the fuck...
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Going forward, you'd assume it will increase as a %age however.It represents about 1% of the total, it's a non story and Peston is an idiot
The UK is a nation of tinhat
I'm not being sensitive but you're projecting the actions of thousands onto a country of 60 million.
It's like me trying to claim that this - Thousands of anti-vaccine protesters gather in London is somehow representative of widespread UK opinion, when it's not.
It’s a fair point, however isn’t there an argument to say that protesting against a life-saving vaccine is much more indicative of a crank than protesting against a government who have clearly made several mistakes? One saves lives, the other has cost lives
I’m not as this is a specific policy aimed at a section of the community who will see their lifestyles impacted if they are not going to take a vaccine.
Of course the majority aren’t opposed to something that does not impact them.
I don’t actually believe in a green card system as it is dividing society with such an approach, I’m not going to use the Holocaust analogies as they are just outlandish but forcing people is a dangerous road to go down
Some countries are opening up to 12 years old to have it. Ban them from school if they don’t?
Your comparison is utterly invalid as the lives of those having the vaccine are not at risk
What’s the alternative though?
Are they forcing people though? It seems people have a choice. Get vaccinated and a card or don’t and don’t. It’s up to individuals. If they exclude themselves from the wider society that is their choice.I don’t actually believe in a green card system as it is dividing society with such an approach, I’m not going to use the Holocaust analogies as they are just outlandish but forcing people is a dangerous road to go down
Some countries are opening up to 12 years old to have it. Ban them from school if they don’t?
Your comparison is utterly invalid as the lives of those having the vaccine are not at risk
I’m coming to this opinion and think I’d probably make a point if football goes down this routeThere isn’t one. We have never forced MMR we have never forced flu vaccines. You encourage take up not force. Democratic societies don’t force or then victimise those concerned about it
You don’t really believe that’s ok do you? The consequence is having Covid and being seriously ill and dying not being able to eat our or go to football or travel abroadAre they forcing people though? It seems people have a choice. Get vaccinated and a card or don’t and don’t. It’s up to individuals. If they exclude themselves from the wider society that is their choice.
There isn’t one. We have never forced MMR we have never forced flu vaccines. You encourage take up not force. Democratic societies don’t force or then victimise those concerned about it
You don’t really believe that’s ok do you? The consequence is having Covid and being seriously ill and dying not being able to eat our or go to football or travel abroad
It's the misconception that many against vaccine passports are simply 'anti-vaxx'. It isn't true. Also, I would say a large amount of people with scepticism about this vaccine aren't your usual type screaming about autism from MMR etc.
We don't protest like the French do for example, but look at the numbers of people deleting the app. That's the kind of action the public will take. The proposed vaccine passport is making waves, but as a nation we aren't really a proactive one when it comes to dissent.
I have the right to be protected against people who are willing to put me at risk as much as people have the choice to not be vaccinated. If I go to the cinema I want people in there with me to have done as much to protect me as I have to protect them.You don’t really believe that’s ok do you?
The choice is to take the vaccine or not. The argument needs to be won on the grounds of being right not manipulation and coercion. I’ve changed my mind now having seen the vitriol. Science and evidence wins not threats. It’s not about slippery slope it’s just wrong to coerce people to take vaccines. I may change my mind again if someone can show me facts about the issues the minority are causingIt's still a choice though.
I'm very sceptical about vacinne passports (particularly for domestic use) but unfortunately its not something I'd be too vocal about because I don't want to look to be aligning myself with wankers calling for doctors and nurses to be hung and they'll be all over any anti passport protests.
They’re extremists who can’t be reasoned with.The choice is to take the vaccine or not. The argument needs to be won on the grounds of being right not manipulation and coercion. I’ve changed my mind now having seen the vitriol. Science and evidence wins not threats. It’s not about slippery slope it’s just wrong to coerce people to take vaccines. I may change my mind again if someone can show me facts about the issues the minority are causing
They’re extremists who can’t be reasoned with.
I’m on about those at the protests and who spread misinformation. The younger people not taking it in the UK is down the government’s messaging around it.Younger people who are not taking it aren’t - they just see no personal benefit
Younger people who are not taking it aren’t - they just see no personal benefit
I’m on about those at the protests and who spread misinformation. The younger people not taking it in the UK is down the government’s messaging around it.
Must be a bit more than that, if you were apathetic & didn’t care one way or the other you’d probably do it just to keep people happy, ie parents, grandparents etc
There is the argument that the people who are refusing the vaccine are driving the need and therefore the decision to have a vaccine passport in the first place.The choice is to take the vaccine or not. The argument needs to be won on the grounds of being right not manipulation and coercion. I’ve changed my mind now having seen the vitriol. Science and evidence wins not threats. It’s not about slippery slope it’s just wrong to coerce people to take vaccines. I may change my mind again if someone can show me facts about the issues the minority are causing
What have the Italian protestors got to do with young people not taking it in the Uk and the UK government’s messaging?Is it? What about every other country - we haven’t had 80 cities rammed with protesters.
I’d wager as a percentage more people in the U.K. will take the vaccine than any other country in Europe
You’ve just admitted the green card is restricting liberty and forcing people to take it
What an odd thing to say
Is it? What about every other country - we haven’t had 80 cities rammed with protesters.
I’d wager as a percentage more people in the U.K. will take the vaccine than any other country in Europe
You’ve just admitted the green card is restricting liberty and forcing people to take it
What an odd thing to say
Exactly. And how do we know what the % is of current infections if they don't include them in the figures. And of course we don't know the number who are asymptomatic but may transmit it to someone else. I'd personally rather have the whole story than some government fudge.Going forward, you'd assume it will increase as a %age however.
And FWIW, surely it's in government's interests to include it, as what it then does is make %age of infected people suffering seriously from Covid... lower? Going forward, if people get reinfected but do relatively OK, that's surely a very valuable thing to know, and also to see playing out?
What have the Italian protestors got to do with young people not taking it in the Uk and the UK government’s messaging?
We’ve got a very high natural uptake compared to mainland Europe - what are you on about?
You might want to alter that to any European country of reasonably similar population- France, Italy, Germany etc
The smaller countries by virtue of the number of people will probably be much more voluntarily compliant and will have fewer wanting to protest and go against it
Europe: COVID-19 vaccination rate by country 2023| Statista
As of January 18, 2023, Portugal had the highest COVID-19 vaccination rate in Europe having administered 272.78 doses per 100 people in the country, while Malta had administered 258.49 doses per 100.www.statista.com
You just said that the reason young people are slower to get it/ not getting it is that they see no personal benefit.
I’m saying there must be more to it than just that alone.
Hungary lol. They ended up using the Russian vaccine didn’t they? You’ll be praising Belarus soon
The blame lies less with them and more the terrible messaging in my view
I’m on about those at the protests and who spread misinformation. The younger people not taking it in the UK is down the government’s messaging around it.
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