Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (16 Viewers)

SBAndy · Jun 10, 2021

chiefdave said:
I've found the standard of GPs has dropped massively in recent years. No idea if its related to workload or changes in pay & conditions but its nothing like it used to be.

For 18 years I had the same GP, he's been my parents GP and my Grandparents (on my Dads side) GP. He recognised you when you walked in and knew your family history.

Now I go to my surgery its pot luck of one from an ever changing line up of GPs. They have no clue of your history, to the point if you go in for a follow up appointment they've asked you to make they have no idea why you're there. Just seems to be get you in and out as quickly as possible and if they can give you a few pills even better.

I've got a few ongoing health issues, hopefully nothing major, but I'm at the point where I've looked into going private as even pre-covid getting anything sorted was a nightmare. Going private was pretty quickly ruled out when I saw the cost.

Massively agree on this, and spoke to a doctor recently who is completely disillusioned with it all. The profession seems to take a conveyor belt approach now, and you’ve got 10 minutes to get to the bottom of the problem.

I also wonder how much of it is the general public’s psyche as well - I remember watching a documentary called ‘The Doctor Who Gave Up Drugs’ (not as exciting as it sounds!) many years back and he basically wanted to stop handing out prescriptions to everyone and instead look at tackling the root cause. Patients weren’t interested, they just wanted a quick 5 minute sob story about whatever and to be given some pills to sort it. Some got quite agitated and started to argue with the doctor about it.

Nick · Jun 10, 2021

SBAndy said:
Massively agree on this, and spoke to a doctor recently who is completely disillusioned with it all. The profession seems to take a conveyor belt approach now, and you’ve got 10 minutes to get to the bottom of the problem.

I also wonder how much of it is the general public’s psyche as well - I remember watching a documentary called ‘The Doctor Who Gave Up Drugs’ (not as exciting as it sounds!) many years back and he basically wanted to stop handing out prescriptions to everyone and instead look at tackling the root cause. Patients weren’t interested, they just wanted a quick 5 minute sob story about whatever and to be given some pills to sort it. Some got quite agitated and started to argue with the doctor about it.

Yeah I saw that, wasn't he the dutch sounding guy? Think he said about the cost of Paracetamol on the NHS was silly when you can get them for pennies from the local shop too or something like that?

Was pretty interesting and made sense.

Brighton Sky Blue · Jun 10, 2021

SBAndy said:
Massively agree on this, and spoke to a doctor recently who is completely disillusioned with it all. The profession seems to take a conveyor belt approach now, and you’ve got 10 minutes to get to the bottom of the problem.

I also wonder how much of it is the general public’s psyche as well - I remember watching a documentary called ‘The Doctor Who Gave Up Drugs’ (not as exciting as it sounds!) many years back and he basically wanted to stop handing out prescriptions to everyone and instead look at tackling the root cause. Patients weren’t interested, they just wanted a quick 5 minute sob story about whatever and to be given some pills to sort it. Some got quite agitated and started to argue with the doctor about it.

Dentistry is pretty farcical too, the way they are paid incentivises them to go for loads of routine check ups instead of bigger jobs because they count for the same pay as a single ‘block’.

Brighton Sky Blue · Jun 10, 2021

Hancock of course blaming the scientists for not locking down sooner

David O'Day · Jun 10, 2021

shmmeee said:
Random lockdown sceptic with no relevant experience in a pandemic related field says don’t have lockdown. Sounds legit.

It's worse than when he talks about economics.

CCFCSteve · Jun 10, 2021

SBAndy said:
Massively agree on this, and spoke to a doctor recently who is completely disillusioned with it all. The profession seems to take a conveyor belt approach now, and you’ve got 10 minutes to get to the bottom of the problem.

I also wonder how much of it is the general public’s psyche as well - I remember watching a documentary called ‘The Doctor Who Gave Up Drugs’ (not as exciting as it sounds!) many years back and he basically wanted to stop handing out prescriptions to everyone and instead look at tackling the root cause. Patients weren’t interested, they just wanted a quick 5 minute sob story about whatever and to be given some pills to sort it. Some got quite agitated and started to argue with the doctor about it.

We have an unhealthy, ageing population unfortunately

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Hancock of course blaming the scientists for not locking down sooner

Not listened to him but will try to catch the ‘highlights’ at some point ! Let’s be honest nothing will ever be Hancock’s fault in his eyes ! There is an element of truth around that comment in relation to first wave looking at Sage minutes and recalling comments from Witty and Vallence in early/mid March. We were caught with our collective pants down

Ps Maybe some good news BSB, although early to say, even if they don’t relax all restrictions on 21 June, rumours they may still relax wedding limits. Fingers crossed for you and your missus

PVA · Jun 10, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue · Jun 10, 2021

CCFCSteve said:
We have an unhealthy, ageing population unfortunately

Not listened to him but will try to catch the ‘highlights’ at some point ! Let’s be honest nothing will ever be Hancock’s fault in his eyes ! There is an element of truth around that comment in relation to first wave looking at Sage minutes and recalling comments from Witty and Vallence in early/mid March. We were caught with our collective pants down

Ps Maybe some good news BSB, although early to say, even if they don’t relax all restrictions on 21 June, rumours they may still relax wedding limits. Fingers crossed for you and your missus

If you read his comments he comes across like he knew better than the scientists all along and wishes he had ‘pushed back’ sooner. Ian posted the link before on weddings, we’re desperate for just something we can plan either way for as we have a lot of payments for it coming due on the assumption of a normal ceremony

CCFCSteve · Jun 10, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
If you read his comments he comes across like he knew better than the scientists all along and wishes he had ‘pushed back’ sooner. Ian posted the link before on weddings, we’re desperate for just something we can plan either way for as we have a lot of payments for it coming due on the assumption of a normal ceremony

I can’t watch Hancock...arrogant, condescending and lack of self awareness (doesn’t realise how shit he is)

Sky Blue Pete · Jun 10, 2021

My gp practice is fabulous

CCFCSteve · Jun 10, 2021

Sky Blue Pete said:
My gp practice is fabulous

You’ve got Hancock to thank for that*

*says Hancock

Brighton Sky Blue · Jun 10, 2021

CCFCSteve said:
You’ve got Hancock to thank for that*

*says Hancock

Hancock is his GP

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Jun 10, 2021

chiefdave said:
I've found the standard of GPs has dropped massively in recent years. No idea if its related to workload or changes in pay & conditions but its nothing like it used to be.

For 18 years I had the same GP, he's been my parents GP and my Grandparents (on my Dads side) GP. He recognised you when you walked in and knew your family history.

Now I go to my surgery its pot luck of one from an ever changing line up of GPs. They have no clue of your history, to the point if you go in for a follow up appointment they've asked you to make they have no idea why you're there. Just seems to be get you in and out as quickly as possible and if they can give you a few pills even better.

I've got a few ongoing health issues, hopefully nothing major, but I'm at the point where I've looked into going private as even pre-covid getting anything sorted was a nightmare. Going private was pretty quickly ruled out when I saw the cost.

Funnily enough I had almost a word for word conversation with one of my clients this morning. I couldn't agree more with you. After not needing the doctors for years, between 2018 and now, I have been several times and had the following:

- Wouldn't remove a mole because they said it was for 'vanity' reasons (they couldn't be arsed).
- Had a blood test and passed out, the doctor then left the room laughing (never even got the blood test results back).
- Got put on medication (which was completely wrong for me).
- Went back to complain about said medication which was met with quite an aggressive attitude.

Don't get me started on hospitals either. I had some guy that reminded me of Dr Nick from the Simpsons last time I went. Got my leg snapped from football which was sliced down the middle. He ran out of anaesthetic so sowed half of it back together without any.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Jun 10, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Dentistry is pretty farcical too, the way they are paid incentivises them to go for loads of routine check ups instead of bigger jobs because they count for the same pay as a single ‘block’.

I've had a similar problem with vets.

- Different vet each time
- Charge a fortune
- Prescribe everything and anything

Unlike humans, my dogs can't explain their problem with a different vet at a follow along appointment. Two or three times now I have also been told one of my dogs needs surgery for pretty routine things which would have cost hundreds, only for me to then challenge this and it all turned out to be fine with some alternative treatment which costs 10% of what they wanted to charge.

I must say I have also had some really good and caring vets, but you do feel a little at a loss with humanity sometimes.

*Sorry for hijacking the Covid thread to talk about the vets.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jun 10, 2021

Saddlebrains said:
we need to let it rip

We need to protect the vulnerable

we need to lockdown for 3 weeks to flatten the curve

we will be allowed to see family and friends at Christmas

we will vaccinate the elderly and vulnerable then we can get back to normality

we wont close schools as they aren't a vector

i could go on.

Changes all the fucking time people have had enough

I'm not arguing that the decisions they made was ad hoc and based more on popularity/idealism than data but are they moving goalposts? Let it rip was never official policy even though Johnson talked about it on TV and was no doubt very in favour of it especially early on. They said we could see friends etc over Christmas. We were allowed to do that. It may not have been a wise choice but it wasn't a moved goalpost. We need a three week lockdown - we had one.

I don't recall them ever saying we'll vaccinate the elderly and vulnerable and then we'll open everything up immediately. It was we'll do that and then measure the effect it has on numbers as we gradually open things up. Which is what they have and are doing and all the dates linked to that thus far have been kept.

Frankly they could never win either way. Had they just kept lockdown longer first time around without the easing restrictions in between leading to the waves you'd have complained they were keeping everything closed. They opened up like you wanted, the disease took hold again and they had almost no choice but to re-enter restrictions to prevent the health service being overwhelmed. Damned either way.

The problems you've mentioned there are due to being far too eager to open up quickly. So if your concern is they keep on delaying opening up there's nothing there to alarm you at this stage. They will open up regardless 21 Jun and we'll have to see how we go from there in terms of hospitalisations and deaths. Personally I think this time they'll stay low and we'll be fine to stay out of lockdown.

Of course something may throw a spanner in the works like a resistant variant but unless that is actually shown to be the case it'll stay open and so far it all looks fine.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jun 10, 2021

Saddlebrains said:
Fair, but when even NHS trust bosses come out and say 'yep, vaccines working theres a slight uptick but nothing we wouldnt expect and barely any vaccinated people'......why are we even then discussing any delay to June 21st?

Because it was only very short term data. It needs to show that it stays that way rather than jumping to conclusions straight off the bat. It'd be like Cov going 1-0 up in the first 10mins and then saying "well, that's this game won then."

As far as I can see the most vociferous voices claiming the date will be put back are the likes of you and Nick. Which seems to be based more on your own fear than evidence.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jun 10, 2021

hill83 said:
Don’t take your phone

I thought you were supposed to for track and trace?

Brighton Sky Blue · Jun 10, 2021

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Because it was only very short term data. It needs to show that it stays that way rather than jumping to conclusions straight off the bat. It'd be like Cov going 1-0 up in the first 10mins and then saying "well, that's this game won then."

As far as I can see the most vociferous voices claiming the date will be put back are the likes of you and Nick. Which seems to be based more on your own fear than evidence.

The numbers tell us that the vast majority of infections are in those who may well not even notice

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jun 10, 2021

Nick said:
While other people with things such as cancer got ignored?

Built massive hospitals for COVID that didn't get used.

Of course, by saying this it isn't saying it is nothing to do with cuts to the NHS and the govt. Of course it is, also how everything was COVID, COVID, COVID.

If we stay in lockdown until the backlog is cleared it's going to be a good few years, probably not even my lifetime.

I really can't see us staying in lockdown (which we're not truly in now anyway, just eased restrictions) for the backlog to be eased. I think the issue with the Nightingale hospitals was staffing. If you'd shoved every covid patient in them then all your doctors and nurses would have been there needing to deal with it anyway. Just they'd be in a glorified warehouse instead of in a specialist facility with all the other facilities they can offer.

Of course covid was the big thing. It's an illness that can almost overnight result in you becoming so ill you die. In terms of medical emergency it takes priority as it's of greater urgency to deal with.

Same reason someone having a heart attack or bleeding heavily gets seen before the guy with the vacuum cleaner nozzle up his arse.

Evo1883 · Jun 10, 2021

PVA said:

clint van damme · Jun 10, 2021

Someones shagged another chimp.
Odds-on they post on here.

Walsgrave · Jun 10, 2021

Without condoning bad practices by individual GPs, much of the explanation for declining quality surely must lie with the near stagnation of Medical School places alongside an ever growing population. There's plenty of people who would be academically able enough to go into Medicine both at the Undergraduate entry and Graduate entry level, yet places have been fixed by the government due to funding issues I think less than 8000 new Medical School students start their courses every year, of which under 1000 are graduates. So if they are going to tackle the crisis in the NHS and GP surgery waitlists in particular, expanding the number of Medical School places would be a good starting point. The issue is how you do that without compromising on the quality of doctor produced.

skybluetony176 · Jun 10, 2021

clint van damme said:
Someones shagged another chimp.
Odds-on they post on here.

PVA · Jun 10, 2021

clint van damme said:
Someones shagged another chimp.
Odds-on they post on here.

Listen. Just hear me out.

wingy · Jun 10, 2021

PVA said:

Also caught from other small mammals including woolly hill wandering ruminators.

chiefdave · Jun 10, 2021

Case numbers over 7K for a second day in a row.

Hospitalisations up 24.4% compared to the last few days. Hopefully just a blip and will drop back to the 120s tomorrow.

Ian1779 · Jun 10, 2021

This may have finally broken the irony meter…

Skybluefaz · Jun 10, 2021

We've had the everyone back in the office shout from the 21st June. Freedom day my eye.

shmmeee · Jun 10, 2021

Ian1779 said:
This may have finally broken the irony meter…

I don’t even get it on his terms. Why wouldn’t I just keep the money?

Saddlebrains · Jun 10, 2021

Skybluefaz said:
We've had the everyone back in the office shout from the 21st June. Freedom day my eye.

Large company or a small private one? Can see the big firms having a heads up

Ian1779 · Jun 10, 2021

shmmeee said:
I don’t even get it on his terms. Why wouldn’t I just keep the money?

He obviously thinks that the poor are committed communists.

Skybluefaz · Jun 10, 2021

Saddlebrains said:
Large company or a small private one? Can see the big firms having a heads up

Small, read absolutely nothing into it.

David O'Day · Jun 10, 2021

clint van damme said:
Someones shagged another chimp.
Odds-on they post on here.

Or used to an work at JLR

Grendel · Jun 10, 2021

David O'Day said:
Or used to an work at JLR

Used to an work at JLR - good stuff O Drivel. On the white lightening already mate? Mum gone to bingo and you’ve found her stash?

David O'Day · Jun 10, 2021

David O'Day said:
Or used to an work at JLR

Wouldn't be Grenners though as the monkey is out of his league.

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