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Philosoraptor

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  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,621
Chris Grayling lookalike
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,622
Nick said:
I can't take it seriously with the bloke doing sign language in the corner.
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He needs to start flipping the bird and doing wanker signs
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,623
CCFCSteve said:
Give the guy a break. Im no big fan but he doesn’t need to do this daily. The audience could ask the scientists questions but the media would rather try to catch him out
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I think he should be addressing the nation daily but also agree that the media should concentrate on useful questions, I can't stand Johnson or the Tories but practical questions are more useful than most of the shite the media ask about.
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,624
Brighton Sky Blue said:
We still don’t really know what we’re doing on Monday.
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Yep. No substance, no commitments, no clarification for any of the many questions that have needed it and then says he wants to limit questions.

He's so utterly out of his depth.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,625
fernandopartridge said:
I think he should be addressing the nation daily but also agree that the media should concentrate on useful questions, I can't stand Johnson or the Tories but practical questions are more useful than most of the shite the media ask about.
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Have the Welsh fans got their badges though?
 
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Otis

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  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,626
Nick said:
I can't take it seriously with the bloke doing sign language in the corner.
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Switch to BBC 1. No sign language.
 

Astute

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  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,627
mark82 said:
The curve won't lower as the deaths are cumulative, it will flatten off. It's logarithmic, so the scale is bigger at the top end and will be harder to see if it's levelling off at high numbers on a logarithmic graph.

I find this site useful for raw data. Also has some graphs at individual country level which you can view as either logarithmic or linear.

Coronavirus Update (Live): 230,030 Cases and 9,386 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Outbreak - Worldometer
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And that is my point although it isn't supposed to be mentioned.

The first 100 is the same as the next 400. And so on. It flattens out even when the cases go up by hundreds a day. They then use this to say how ours is shooting up yet the others are not. But that is not the reality.

Then they say we should have acted earlier yet won't say what we should have done.

As I keep saying we need to carry on as usual for as long as we can. People need to make a living.

We are about a week behind France. Even schools closed a week later. The latest one is having a piece of paper printed off the net. It says where you are going and why. Road blocks are in place checking. If you are nit believed it was a €39 fine fir first offence and €139 afterwards. It got ignored. It is now €139 for first offence and I think €339 afterwards.

Only grocery stores, petrol stations, newspaper stands, tobacconists, banks and anywhere that fixes cars are allowed to open. That was brought in last Saturday. You can also only walk your dog up to 50 yards from tour house.

If you think it is shit now just wait for a few more days.
 

tisza

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  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,628
For some reason age not such a protective factor in USA. 40% of those hospitalised aged 20-54.
 
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wingy

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  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,629
He isn't qualified
He never was.
 
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Astute

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  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,630
shmmeee said:
The use here is also seeing is a countries deaths/cases are growing exponentially. If they are it’s a straight line on the graph, hence the “flattening” you see shows that Italy while still increasing at a hell of a pace is no longer increasing exponentially.
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And reducing on the graph........
 

clint van damme

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  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,631
PVA said:
Jesus christ. Says he doesn't want to take too many questions as we've done 3 or 4 of these in a row.

Fucking hell. You're the Prime Minister. Stand up and do your job you lazy prick.
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I listened live to his q and a last night.
At first I thought he didn't come across as bad as the previous evening ( of which I'd only seen hilights), and perhaps the criticism was a bit unfair.
But by the end his concentration had gone and he was distracted and waffling.
The man either isn't interested or has the attention span of a gnat (or perhaps a bit of both).
 
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clint van damme

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  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,632
Philosorapter said:
Chris Grayling lookalike
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Flailing Chris Gtayling?
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,633
tisza said:
For some reason age not such a protective factor in USA. 40% of those hospitalised aged 20-54.
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I was reading something that blew that myth away around the world- the mortality is much lower for under 60s but you can still end up in hospital very easily. I have no plans to scaremonger & its true that its highly, highly unlikely to kill younger people, but a proportion of younger people are going to end up on a hospital bed.
 
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wingy

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  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,634
tisza said:
For some reason age not such a protective factor in USA. 40% of those hospitalised aged 20-54.
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May be just a difference of capacity whereas we're telling folk in that demographic to ride it out at home .
 

Skybluefaz

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  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,635
The coventrian said:
The gyms quiet. Only 3 of us here. Not even any fanny to look at.
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Look in the mirror then you'll see a massive one
 
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djr8369

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  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,636
Astute said:
And that is my point although it isn't supposed to be mentioned.

The first 100 is the same as the next 400. And so on. It flattens out even when the cases go up by hundreds a day. They then use this to say how ours is shooting up yet the others are not. But that is not the reality.
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You can mention what you want. Half of this thread is people arguing about the graph so pretty sure it can be mentioned!

Yes, that's how a log scale works. It will flatten out while cases are going up by hundreds a day further up the curve BUT if the increase continues to be exponential it will continue to be a straight line. If the curve begins to flatten you might still have hundreds of cases per day but if you're further up the scale those hundreds might be a small percentage and so it will mean the growth rate is slowing. No matter how high up the scale you are eventually you the gradient will get shallower and level off to a horizontal line once there are no new cases/deaths.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,637
Cop-out. noun.

Q: Do you accept that every day you delay announcing business support measures, thousands of jobs will go.

Johnson says it is vital that people understand that government will support business, and businesses should support their workers.
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,638
clint van damme said:
I listened live to his q and a last night.
At first I thought he didn't come across as bad as the previous evening ( of which I'd only seen hilights), and perhaps the criticism was a bit unfair.
But by the end his concentration had gone and he was distracted and waffling.
The man either isn't interested or has the attention span of a gnat (or perhaps a bit of both).
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Taking any personal opinion out of it, I think its that he is clearly not a details man, he likes to stand there talking about big plans & ideas and express confidence that we'll all be great and will overcome any problem- but he won't ever be able to expand on the detail.

I don't like the man but he's who we've got, and I guess all we can do is hope to god that he's only the mouthpiece, whose primary job now is to get rolled out to try & deliver some Churchillian rallying calls for people who may be scared, and there is nothing wrong with that. If my folks locked inside feel better & perked up after watching him then thats all good for me.
 
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wingy

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  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,639
Ring Of Steel said:
I was reading something that blew that myth away around the world- the mortality is much lower for under 60s but you can still end up in hospital very easily. I have no plans to scaremonger & its true that its highly, highly unlikely to kill younger people, but a proportion of younger people are going to end up on a hospital bed.
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Early data from China revealed much higher hospitalised ,60-69,70-79. age groups

Mortality around 3.6% against 15% in over 80's .
So a significant proportion .
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,640
clint van damme said:
I listened live to his q and a last night.
At first I thought he didn't come across as bad as the previous evening ( of which I'd only seen hilights), and perhaps the criticism was a bit unfair.
But by the end his concentration had gone and he was distracted and waffling.
The man either isn't interested or has the attention span of a gnat (or perhaps a bit of both).
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or perhaps he has been having to make life and death decisions on a daily basis so I’m guessing probably isn’t too well rested to be taking random questions

I’m all for a bit of boris bashing but people need to get a grip !

Ps interesting that outside of certain echo chambers the public’s views appears reasonably positive (so far). Wouldn’t attach as a link so had to cut and paste (apologies !)


Net government approval rating hits highest level since 2010, poll suggests

Andrew Sparrow

Voters are more likely to approve of the Boris Johnson and the government’s handling of the coronavirus outbreak than disapprove, according to some new polling from Ipsos MORI. Some 49% of people think the government is handling it well, against 35% who think it is handling it badly (a net rating of +14), and Johnson’s rating are 47% v 38% (a net rating of +9).


Polling on handling of coronavirus crisis Photograph: Ipsos MORI
But the young, Labour supporters, public sectors workers and Londoners are likely to be significantly more critical of the government than other people, Ipsos MORI says. (These groups overlap quite a lot.) In its write-up Ipsos MORI says:

Young people tended to be more critical of the government’s handling of the outbreak than older people (28% of 18-34s thought the government was handling it well, compared with 70% of over 65s), as were Labour supporters (only 30% thought the government was handling it well), public sector workers (35%), and Londoners (38%).

Coronavirus also seems to have affected the government’s overall approval rating, which is now at +7, with 48% of people saying they are satisfied with the government and 41% dissatisfied. Ipsos MORI says this is the the first positive net rating for a government since July 2010. As this chart shows, it is also the highest rating for any government at this stage in its term in office since Tony Blair’s.


Approval ratings for governments since 1979 Photograph: Ipsos MORI
The danger, of course, is that events in the coronavirus crisis are changing by the day, and opinion could flip very easily. The UQ in the Commons this morning illustrated how vulnerable the government will be if it does not come up with a huge package of employment support very soon. (See 11.48am.) But for the moment the politics of coronavirus seem to be working to Johnson’s advantage.
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,641
Boris been on with his advisors saying we can turn the tide within 12 weeks, now is the time we all put our political views to one side and come together as a nation to beat this awful disease
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,642
CCFCSteve said:
Ps interesting that outside of certain echo chambers the public’s views appears reasonably positive (so far) UK coronavirus live: Boris Johnson says country can 'turn the tide' in 12 weeks
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That is no measure of success
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,643
CCFCSteve said:
or perhaps he has been having to make life and death decisions on a daily basis so I’m guessing probably isn’t too well rested to be taking random questions

I’m all for a bit of boris bashing but people need to get a grip !

Ps interesting that outside of certain echo chambers the public’s views appears reasonably positive (so far) UK coronavirus live: Boris Johnson says country can 'turn the tide' in 12 weeks
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I'm no fan- but don't underestimate the benefit of older & at risk people being cheered up.

My dad was saying, "bugger the death rate, all this time locked inside and the worst figures will be the divorce rates"- its not easy & at a time like this I'm ok with Johnson trying to cheer a few people up. Having said that I have not seen a single second of any of his conferences so maybe he's cocking that up too.
 
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Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,644
Brighton Sky Blue said:
No and we might be down to statutory pay.
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Really - on what basis? The only rationale for that would be if the government slashed the school's in year budget (which would be unprecedented) and make it a fait accompli that the school couldn't afford to pay you. That would be political dynamite, surely. Really can't believe that would happen to staff (used to be a SBM and an education/school finance officer)
 

clint van damme

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  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,645
CCFCSteve said:
or perhaps he has been having to make life and death decisions on a daily basis so I’m guessing probably isn’t too well rested to be taking random questions

I’m all for a bit of boris bashing but people need to get a grip !

Ps interesting that outside of certain echo chambers the public’s views appears reasonably positive (so far) UK coronavirus live: Boris Johnson says country can 'turn the tide' in 12 weeks
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His performance (s) were not what I want or expect from a statesman.
That will be irrelevant if he gets results,I have no confidence he will.
I have every confidence that if he does make a pigs ear of it, you'll still be making excuses for him.
 
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Astute

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  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,646
Nick said:
He needs to do something about shop situation.

More security and people taking the pricks round the back and giving them a kickin.

Get some 90's bouncers out of retirement.
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No chance. Packed it in about 20 years ago when you suddenly had to take abuse and do nothing. Suddenly the idiots had the upper hand. And CCTV didn't help either.
 

Johhny Blue

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  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,647
Nick said:
I can't take it seriously with the bloke doing sign language in the corner.
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I’m no expert but I thought I saw “ don’t believe a word coming out of this fucker’s mouth”
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,648
Sky Blue Harry H said:
Really - on what basis? The only rationale for that would be if the government slashed the school's in year budget (which would be unprecedented) and make it a fait accompli that the school couldn't afford to pay you. That would be political dynamite, surely. Really can't believe that would happen to staff (used to be a SBM and an education/school finance officer)
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I think it’s more to do with running costs during unexpected hours. Just what I heard but hope it’s wrong.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,649
So he hasn’t said who counts as protected workers. Thanks mate
 
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  • Mar 19, 2020
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wingy said:
Early data from China revealed much higher hospitalised ,60-69,70-79. age groups

Mortality around 3.6% against 15% in over 80's .
So a significant proportion .
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Wingy, I don't think this is correct. By region, China's mortality rates range from 1.4% to 3.6% overall. What's interesting to me is the 0.2% mortality rate in Germany, as they are also a country that has undertaken a large amount of testing for the virus, and which increases the denominator when calculating mortality rates. The UK Gov't own estimate is a 1% mortality rate, which is close to that for Swine flu. Italy's mortality rate is currently 2%. As has been recognised, just as important, if not more, is the % infected.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,651
clint van damme said:
His performance (s) were not what I want or expect from a statesman.
That will be irrelevant if he gets results,I have no confidence he will.
I have every confidence that if he does make a pigs ear of it, you'll still be making excuses for him.
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I find watching him very uncomfortable to be honest ! I won’t make excuses if he fucks up. What I have tried to do is play devils advocate and flag misinformation about the government approach (of which there is quite a bit, intentional or not)
 

skybluetony176

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  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,652
Nick said:
Boris saying they are putting somebody with Coronavirus into testing
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A level on graphs
 
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clint van damme

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  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,653
Brighton Sky Blue said:
So he hasn’t said who counts as protected workers. Thanks mate
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Supposed to be announced today wasn't it?
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,654
fernandopartridge said:
That is no measure of success
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Appreciate that, but I was pointing out that the constant abuse he/the government gets on here isn’t necessarily reflective of the wider population.

I’ve got a mix of mates (with various political persuasions) and haven’t heard many moans, not because I think anyone thinks the governments approach has been perfect, but because they understand these are unprecedented times
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,655
tisza said:
For some reason age not such a protective factor in USA. 40% of those hospitalised aged 20-54.
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Well yeah, the scope of 'underlying health conditions' is pretty broad.
 
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