Brylowes
Well-Known Member
Explain.
Explain.Nonsense
Yes, nothing wins votes like “We’re the party that killed off pubs”
Pubs closing at a rate of knots pre pandemic, lots of which can be traced back to Thatcher's 'beer orders' actually which created the spiv owned pubcos more interested in property development than running pubs. Not that New Labour did anything at all to address it.
Nonsense
In truth they’ve been after pubs for years, not all pubs obviously’‘ just the small independent wet led type,Yes, nothing wins votes like “We’re the party that killed off pubs”
Most of us hear you my friend.In truth they’ve been after pubs for years, not all pubs obviously’‘ just the small independent wet led type,
punitive stealth taxes, excessive business rates, the grossly unfair beer tax escalator (which automatically increased duty on beer by 2% above inflation every year ) that only applies to pubs, allowing supermarkets to use alcohol as a loss leader with no minimum pricing, the smoking ban,
All these things combined helped to contribUte to the closure of 14,000 British pubs between 2000 and 2018.
If/when we are allowed to open on the 12th April ( outside only ) we will have been forcibly closed for 33 weeks of the 55 weeks since the onset of the first lockdown on the 23.3.2020.
During the 22 weeks we have been permitted to open our doors we have been required to conform with rigid restrictions and regulations not required or implemented in any other sector of commerce or retail.
We have had to set up our own Track & Trace system.
Put in place our own and comply with our own risk assessment.
Put in place a table service only operation.
Police groups to make sure who is with who and not exceeding limits on numbers in groups.
Remove/mothball seating, erect screen, supply necessary PPE and cleaning materials and sanitizers.
Make sure everyone is wearing a face mask when walking within the pub.
Keep TV / Music volume to a minimum.
Basically in order to open your doors you have to transform your pub into everything a pub shouldn’t be, sterile, unwelcoming, cold, tiresome etc.
Then to help out they cut VAT to 5% but only on food.
Then they introduce the ‘Eat out to help Out’ scheme.
Then they say you can only open if you serve food
Do you see a trend happening here.
Before long going out for a drink will entail a choice between Wetherspoons, Brewers Fayre, Harvester etc.
A cultural shift went on somewhere guess it was the 80'sSure, but there’s a big difference between ‘free market’ economic policies being awful for independent pub owners, and this claim that the Tories have some deliberate targeted campaign to kill off all pubs through public health measures. Who would want to do that? And on what grounds?
In truth they’ve been after pubs for years, not all pubs obviously’‘ just the small independent wet led type,
punitive stealth taxes, excessive business rates, the grossly unfair beer tax escalator (which automatically increased duty on beer by 2% above inflation every year ) that only applies to pubs, allowing supermarkets to use alcohol as a loss leader with no minimum pricing, the smoking ban,
All these things combined helped to contribUte to the closure of 14,000 British pubs between 2000 and 2018.
If/when we are allowed to open on the 12th April ( outside only ) we will have been forcibly closed for 33 weeks of the 55 weeks since the onset of the first lockdown on the 23.3.2020.
During the 22 weeks we have been permitted to open our doors we have been required to conform with rigid restrictions and regulations not required or implemented in any other sector of commerce or retail.
We have had to set up our own Track & Trace system.
Put in place our own and comply with our own risk assessment.
Put in place a table service only operation.
Police groups to make sure who is with who and not exceeding limits on numbers in groups.
Remove/mothball seating, erect screen, supply necessary PPE and cleaning materials and sanitizers.
Make sure everyone is wearing a face mask when walking within the pub.
Keep TV / Music volume to a minimum.
Basically in order to open your doors you have to transform your pub into everything a pub shouldn’t be, sterile, unwelcoming, cold, tiresome etc.
Then to help out they cut VAT to 5% but only on food.
Then they introduce the ‘Eat out to help Out’ scheme.
Then they say you can only open if you serve food
Do you see a trend happening here.
Before long going out for a drink will entail a choice between Wetherspoons, Brewers Fayre, Harvester etc.
Because they look on us as crime ridden sleazy dens of iniquity, meeting places of the criminal classes, havens for dealers and customers of drugs and the black economy.I've got nothing but sympathy for you trying to keep it together in the most crazy trading environment in modern history. And I don't doubt that government policy has for years given big businesses a leg-up over small/independent competitors. I just don't see any evidence that this particular COVID policy is a targeted measure to take out the entire pub industry. If it is, why would they do that?
Because they look on us as crime ridden sleazy dens of iniquity, meeting places of the criminal classes, havens for dealers and customers of drugs and the black economy.
Nobody would deny these pubs exist, In my hometown I know of 2 such pubs out of a total of 40ish so that’s 2% and it would probably be fair to roll that out nationwide.
They look at rising levels of alcoholism and all the social problems associated with it, they look at the cost of treating alcohol dependentcy and the multitude of other health issues linked to it.
They look at our Town and City centres being turned into war zones every weekend and the huge cost of policing these areas, recent lockdowns will have only strengthened their resolve in this area.
There are very real problems linked to alcohol consumption and only a fool would say otherwise but the government are doing what they always do and just going after the easiest and most obvious targets = Pubs.
The antisocial behaviour on our streets is almost entirely caused by young people who have spent the evening with friends drinking ‘god knows what’ unchecked , that they’ve chipped In a fiver each and bought from Asda,
they then emerge from the suburbs and and hit the town centres like a deranged legless army hellbent on trouble..
Its strange how the less pubs we have, the more alcohol related problems we have.
putting a stop to cheap supermarket alcohol would have a huge and overnight beneficial effect on this country but instead they will wipe out a much loved, much needed and very British way of life.
Let’s hope so mateBet you a tenner I’ll be having a pint in an independent pub in 2 years though.
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And all the publicans.All the pubs will be in people's back gardens.
so among all the other gigs that have been cancelled recently I had an e-mail today saying that Idles in Millennium square Leeds has been cancelled.
The significance being that this was supposed to be in July and outdoors. Maybe we won't be getting back to normal as quickly as we think.
Be surprised if there aren't some fairly major restrictions in place for the start of next season.
Larkin Poe announced today their tour has been postponed and that was for November, been pushed back to next year.so among all the other gigs that have been cancelled recently I had an e-mail today saying that Idles in Millennium square Leeds has been cancelled.
My Lisbon gig got cancelled tooso among all the other gigs that have been cancelled recently I had an e-mail today saying that Idles in Millennium square Leeds has been cancelled.
The significance being that this was supposed to be in July and outdoors. Maybe we won't be getting back to normal as quickly as we think.
Be surprised if there aren't some fairly major restrictions in place for the start of next season.
My Lisbon gig got cancelled too
The tickets they offered us to transfer to a rearranged date in February or refund so we just took the refund. Flights are still open but they were only £50 return. I'm going to leave them, if we can't travel get the refund and if we can just book a hotel for a last minute weekend.Not heard anything about the one I've got in Berlin but no way it's going ahead and even if it does we won't be allowed to travel.
Not sure where I'll stand on getting my flight money back. A re you getting reimbursed?
I think you’re probably right but it’s relative isn’t it. I think we will feel a lot more normal this summer.No chance of things being ‘normal’ until 2022 at the earliest.
You would think the second jabs are starting to take priority now.600,000 jabs today in England alone, UK figures delayed as waiting on NI to report.
You would think the second jabs are starting to take priority now.
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I’ve got 31 days left in which to receive my 2nd jab within the 12 week recommended timeframe.Looking at today's numbers it still remains approximately 50/50. We'll have under 2 million left in the UK from the top 9 groups after today, after which it'll just be second jabs probably until May.
I’ve got 31 days left in which to receive my 2nd jab within the 12 week recommended timeframe.
People who have had the 1st jab after me at the same surgery have been given their 2nd appointment before leaving, I didn’t ‘so I presume this is a system they put in place after my 1st jab.
Thought I’d better call on Monday ‘as didn’t want to be forgotten’ was told not to call them as they will call me.
I‘m sure all will be fine.
so among all the other gigs that have been cancelled recently I had an e-mail today saying that Idles in Millennium square Leeds has been cancelled.
The significance being that this was supposed to be in July and outdoors. Maybe we won't be getting back to normal as quickly as we think.
Be surprised if there aren't some fairly major restrictions in place for the start of next season.
I’d swap my vaccine for your youthI'm not expecting to be offered one till June now, missus will probably be July. Getting quite a lot of 'vaccine envy' of the forum elders here
Unfortunately I suffered no ill side effects other than a sore arm for a couple of days, I say unfortunately because from what I hear no side effects points to a weak immune system.Btw had my vaccine two weeks ago,Had a bit of the shivers and a temperature 24 hrs later so had an early night with er indoors as she had hers the same time.
Anyone else get any symptoms from it?
My dad who’s 81 had his second Pfizer one last week and no reaction to either jab!!
I'm not expecting to be offered one till June now, missus will probably be July. Getting quite a lot of 'vaccine envy' of the forum elders here
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