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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #44,136
chiefdave said:
Its not being denied is it? The discussion I heard on this earlier today was suggesting that business owners can make a choice. Either open to everyone but with similar restrictions to those in place previously (rule of six, social distancing, table service) or open to only those with vaccine passports without any of those restrictions.

And if you do open everything isn't that also, in a manner of speaking, denying things to those who haven't had the jab but aren't comfortable with the risk a lack of restrictions brings?
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I support it reopening under the proposed timeline with the measures that were in place before. I’m not comfortable being in school under the measures but ain’t got a choice either.
 
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wingy

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  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #44,137
No axe to grind or particular opinion.
Would this reverse the status quo from around a year ago?

Should this be an issue in an era where we give over every bit of information about ourselves just to function .

Should we take it in context of the never ending creep of surveillance?
It is related to public health , what level of infection should determine this as we are told consistently we can't eradicate it.
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #44,138
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I would say it’s beyond unfair for under 50s to be denied these things when they haven’t been offered jabs yet.
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It would be unfair. As I understand it they would only bring the passports in after every adult has been offered a vaccine so I’m guessing this might be more focussed on autumn period onwards. It feels like it’s a way of encouraging vaccine take up to me

ps I personally can’t see why it should be needed once a majority of the adult population is vaccinated anyway (unless new variants appear but then I guess vaccines may become irrelevant then anyway). After that, we’re all grown ups, we should decide our own risks in life...unless you work around elderly etc
 

clint van damme

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  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #44,139
CCFCSteve said:
It would be unfair. As I understand it they would only bring the passports in after every adult has been offered a vaccine so I’m guessing this might be more focussed on autumn period onwards. It feels like it’s a way of encouraging vaccine take up to me

ps I personally can’t see why it should be needed once a majority of the adult population is vaccinated anyway (unless new variants appear but then I guess vaccines may become irrelevant then anyway). After that, we’re all grown ups, we should decide our own risks in life...unless you work around elderly etc
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Fuck em, the young bastards!
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #44,140
CCFCSteve said:
It would be unfair. As I understand it they would only bring the passports in after every adult has been offered a vaccine so I’m guessing this might be more focussed on autumn period onwards. It feels like it’s a way of encouraging vaccine take up to me

ps I personally can’t see why it should be needed once a majority of the adult population is vaccinated anyway (unless new variants appear but then I guess vaccines may become irrelevant then anyway). After that, we’re all grown ups, we should decide our own risks in life...unless you work around elderly etc
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I agree, I’m just totally sick of it at this point.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #44,141
Nobody should be in favour of vaccine passports to enter pubs etc ..

What absolute nonsense
 

Ccfcisparks

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #44,142
Evo1883 said:
Nobody should be in favour of vaccine passports to enter pubs etc ..

What absolute nonsense
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Why not
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #44,143
Ccfcisparks said:
Why not
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For starters it will be hugely damaging to pubs and their business

Secondly we don't want to be in a position where we have to flash a little card to live a normal life ffs

It's not East Germany
 

Ccfcisparks

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #44,144
Evo1883 said:
For starters it will be hugely damaging to pubs and their business
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Not at all, have someone at the door scanning. I'm sure than more enough people would be in favour of it to keep them in business.
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #44,145
Ccfcisparks said:
Not at all, have someone at the door scanning. I'm sure than more enough people would be in favour of it to keep them in business.
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Why on earth do you want us to live that way ...it's a revolting concept.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #44,146
Evo1883 said:
Why on earth do you want us to live that way ...it's a revolting concept.
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At the moment its completely sensible. Prevents people who are not protected acting irresponsibly
 

Bugsy

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  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #44,147
it would get forged anyway if they introduce one
 

Evo1883

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  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #44,148
Ccfcisparks said:
At the moment its completely sensible. Prevents people who are not protected acting irresponsibly
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No sorry its an ugly shit idea that will kill off too many bars and pubs
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #44,149
Evo1883 said:
No sorry its an ugly shit idea
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Evo are you getting the vaccine? If so, why are you so against it.
 

Evo1883

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  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #44,150
Ccfcisparks said:
Evo are you getting the vaccine? If so, why are you so against it.
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I am getting the vaccine of course..but I'm against this

Pubs will suffer massively, no point opening nightclubs until later this year either as most u21 won't be vaccined until then anyway , alot of inner city bars will suffer too

Not to mention its a twatty idea to carry a card around saying you haven't got the lurgy

The extremely vulnerable have been vaccinated, the deaths to under 40s don't warrant this kind of action

Until Britain has vaccinated most people, then it's better to just continue to reasonably socially distance
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #44,151
Evo1883 said:
I am getting the vaccine of course..but I'm against this

Pubs will suffer massively, no point opening nightclubs until later this year either as most u21 won't be vaccined until then anyway , alot of inner city bars will suffer too

Not to mention its a twatty idea to carry a card around saying you haven't got the lurgy

The extremely vulnerable have been vaccinated, the deaths to under 40s don't warrant this kind of action
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To an extent I agree. Although I am against nightclubs opening up as they were, at least for the time being.
 

ajsccfc

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  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #44,152
I'll only have a vaccine passport if it's blue, my vote has to count for something
 

Evo1883

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  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #44,153
Ccfcisparks said:
To an extent I agree. Although I am against nightclubs opening up as they were, at least for the time being.
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Life should return to normal after weve been vaccinated , we should however be sensible with border restrictions if other countries still lag behind
 

chiefdave

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  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #44,154
Evo1883 said:
For starters it will be hugely damaging to pubs and their business
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Surely better for the business than having to stay closed completely?
 

Evo1883

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  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #44,155
chiefdave said:
Surely better for the business than having to stay closed completely?
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With a vaccine passport alot may Aswell just shut completely as many pubs won't make it past summer at this rate.

Why on earth do people want to carry a card around to say they've been vaccinated .

Continue with reasonable social distancing measures until Britain completes it vaccination program
And then get back to bloody normal and if the most vulnerable need annual jabs , then that's what should happen
 
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Skybluefaz

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  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #44,156
Evo1883 said:
With a vaccine passport alot may Aswell just shut completely as many pubs won't make it past summer at this rate.

Why on earth do people want to carry a card around to say they've been vaccinated .

Continue with reasonable social distancing measures until Britain completes it vaccination program
And then get back to bloody normal and if the most vulnerable need annual jabs , then that's what should happen
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But if we have vaccine passports we can get Dido Harding / Hancock's pal / Harry Redknapp's dog in charge of it all and pay them eleventy billion for the privilege.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #44,157
Skybluefaz said:
But if we have vaccine passports we can get Dido Harding / Hancock's pal / Harry Redknapp's dog in charge of it all and pay them eleventy billion for the privilege.
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This is more like it lol
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #44,158
I'm assuming this is another thing Johnson is just spouting off that will end up dying a death and pretending it was never suggested.
 

Brylowes

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #44,159
chiefdave said:
As a general rule I'd say following the majority view of the experts should be the default. The worrying part here is Johnson saying pubs should be able to decide for themselves. Not sure I want people like Tim Martin making what could potentially be life or death decisions.
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who’s calling the shots, Boris Johnson v Tim Martin = Out of the frying pan into the microwave.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #44,160
Ccfcisparks said:
Not at all, have someone at the door scanning. I'm sure than more enough people would be in favour of it to keep them in business.
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Well it won't, will it? They'd have to employ somebody to do it so they're down already
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #44,161
chiefdave said:
Surely better for the business than having to stay closed completely?
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That's a false dichotomy
 

Ccfcisparks

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #44,162
fernandopartridge said:
Well it won't, will it? They'd have to employ somebody to do it so they're down already
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Why couldn't door staff do it?
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #44,163
Ccfcisparks said:
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Why couldn't door staff do it?
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Most pubs don't employ them
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #44,164
Ccfcisparks said:
Why couldn't door staff do it?
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most pubs don’t have door staff
 

chiefdave

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  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #44,165
fernandopartridge said:
Most pubs don't employ them
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Wouldn't be any different to now being allowed in under age would it? Bar staff check id for that.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #44,166
chiefdave said:
Wouldn't be any different to now being allowed in under age would it? Bar staff check id for that.
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Yes it would. ID is checked for people who look 25 and under, who might represent a small percentage of punters.

Vaccine checks for everybody entering a pub? If it's a busy pub what's the point if the unvaccinated potentially infectious person stands at the bar for 15 minutes waiting?

It's totalitarian nonsense. Sorry.
 
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jordan210

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  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #44,167
The whole idea of vaccine checks for non travel is ridiculous. But also would be very difficult to set up.

Setting up an app with the QR code for individuals is the east part. You would then need a system to validate the QR at pub side. On top of this you would still need formal ID at the same time. Other wise could be anyone using someone else's QR.

This would not only be slow. It would also cost hundreds of millions if not more in infrastructure.

For travel its not as difficult as would have your passport with you.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #44,168
Ccfcisparks said:
Not at all, have someone at the door scanning. I'm sure than more enough people would be in favour of it to keep them in business.
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Consider the case rate last summer when we had nobody vaccinated and tell me why this is needed when by June well over half of all adults will have been jabbed once if not twice?
 

Evo1883

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  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #44,169
basically over half the people haven't been vaccined yet ...pubs will just continue to unnecessarily struggle with a vaccine passport
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #44,170
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Consider the case rate last summer when we had nobody vaccinated and tell me why this is needed when by June well over half of all adults will have been jabbed once if not twice?
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It’s laughable - let’s say a woman has t had the jab as she’s expecting - should she be ostracised from society until she has a baby?
 
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