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ovduk78

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #44,101
Deleted member 5849 said:
Exactly. So wtf is he on about?

(Actually, why am I surprised?!?)
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Maybe a dig at the EU preferring the Pfizer one & having to pay more for it?
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #44,102
wingy said:
Yes and a 30 something Coventry mother of three the other day too .
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #44,103
Deleted member 5849 said:
A non story in itself but... could've sworn the Oxford one was being done at cost!

'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM

But Boris Johnson immediately retracts the comments made during a Zoom meeting with Tory MPs.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Johnson: greed is good!
Nurses: can we have a pay rise?
Johnson: not that kind of greed
 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #44,104
Sky Blue Pete said:
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I wonder if she'd had the vaccine......she certainly would have been offered it prior to contracting covid?
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #44,105
Whats going on here then?

Italian authorities discover 29M Oxford/AstraZeneca doses: La Stampa

Discovery comes as AstraZeneca faces harsh criticism over delivery shortfalls.
www.politico.eu
 

jordan210

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #44,106
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Whats going on here then?

Italian authorities discover 29M Oxford/AstraZeneca doses: La Stampa

Discovery comes as AstraZeneca faces harsh criticism over delivery shortfalls.
www.politico.eu
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They raided a bottling plant that has doses for Covax program and themselves.....

 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #44,107
The EU doesn't like countries prioritising the vaccination of their own citizens, so is putting in place some rules that prioritise the vaccination of a state's own citizens

UK singled out for failing to export Covid vaccines to EU | European Union | The Guardian

Why does the EU, if it isn't a state, continue to refer to itself as such? Talk about confirming some of the assertions made by the leave campaign:

The European commission president, Ursula von der Leyen, said the EU was a global producer of vaccines, with 43m doses distributed to 33 countries since the end of January, but the bloc needed to protect its supplies.

She said: “While our member states are facing the third wave of the pandemic and not every company is delivering on its contract, the EU is the only major Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development producer that continues to export vaccines at large scale to dozens of countries.
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The EU is not a member of the OECD, some of the member states are.
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #44,108
fernandopartridge said:
The EU doesn't like countries prioritising the vaccination of their own citizens, so is putting in place some rules that prioritise the vaccination of a state's own citizens

UK singled out for failing to export Covid vaccines to EU | European Union | The Guardian

Why does the EU, if it isn't a state, continue to refer to itself as such? Talk about confirming some of the assertions made by the leave campaign:



The EU is not a member of the OECD, some of the member states are.
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Italian authorities discover 29M Oxford/AstraZeneca doses: La Stampa

Discovery comes as AstraZeneca faces harsh criticism over delivery shortfalls.
www.politico.eu


This is related to the Netherlands plant I think .

This is the plant that hasn't received EU approval yet

But according to the FT last week AZ Had not yet sought that approval .
Guess it's all in the weighting of the articles as to who's responsibility that is or should be.
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #44,109
wingy said:

Italian authorities discover 29M Oxford/AstraZeneca doses: La Stampa

Discovery comes as AstraZeneca faces harsh criticism over delivery shortfalls.
www.politico.eu


This is related to the Netherlands plant I think .

This is the plant that hasn't received EU approval yet

But according to the FT last week AZ Had not yet sought that approval .
Guess it's all in the weighting of the articles as to who's responsibility that is or should be.
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Think it’s with the EU/EMA Wingy

AstraZeneca eyes April OK for Dutch COVID-19 vaccine plant at heart of European vaccine supply row

Supply shortfalls and safety concerns have plagued AstraZeneca's vaccine rollout in Europe. | Europe could soon approve the Dutch plant ensnared in the AstraZeneca vaccine spat between the EU and the U.K., Rudd Dobber, president of the company's BioPharmaceuticals business, said. The facility...
www.fiercepharma.com

jordan210 said:
They raided a bottling plant that has doses for Covax program and themselves.....

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They’ll probably nab the Covax vaccines as well...and stick those in storage around Europe. Out of control !
 
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David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #44,110
India have suspend export of AZ vaccines now. Hopefully it won't delay things much if at all
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #44,111
Deleted member 5849 said:
Exactly. So wtf is he on about?

(Actually, why am I surprised?!?)
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I genuinely believe he was just making a wise crack. What he needs to be worrying about is why his back benchers couldn't wait to tel the press
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #44,112
David O'Day said:
India have suspend export of AZ vaccines now. Hopefully it won't delay things much if at all
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I still haven't found it again but am convinced I read an article 2-3 weeks ago that suggested a different brand was to be used on the under 40's or possibly 50's
Hopefully that is still the case and the raw materials don't become embroiled in all this.
India did suggest the possibility of this at the outset
 

jordan210

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #44,113
David O'Day said:
India have suspend export of AZ vaccines now. Hopefully it won't delay things much if at all
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Apparently after a low key diplomatic visit. The 5m AV from India will be coming to the the UK as planned.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #44,114
jordan210 said:
Apparently after a low key diplomatic visit. The 5m AV from India will be coming to the the UK as planned.
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Someone best tell the Indians then as they have today officially suspended all AZ vaccine exports.
 

jordan210

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #44,115
David O'Day said:
Someone best tell the Indians then as they have today officially suspended all AZ vaccine exports.
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Im waiting to see the details on our doses as just heard a few things. Believe it was announced after there suspension.

My guess we gave them some ££
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #44,116
jordan210 said:
Im waiting to see the details on our doses as just heard a few things. Believe it was announced after there suspension.

My guess we gave them some ££
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cool story secret squirral, if we were going to bribe them we wouldn't not have suspended booking 40+ vaccine slots and admitted that there was a delay in getting vaccines from India.
 

jordan210

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #44,117
David O'Day said:
cool story secret squirral, if we were going to bribe them we wouldn't not have suspended booking 40+ vaccine slots and admitted that there was a delay in getting vaccines from India.
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It still takes time to get the vaccines from India and distribute them. So any delay will have knock on effects.

Hopefully we get our hands on them soon.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #44,118
jordan210 said:
Apparently after a low key diplomatic visit. The 5m AV from India will be coming to the the UK as planned.
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The Indian government were pushing for a relaxation of immigration rules for people who have family members in the UK, that was their bargaining chip in trade negotiations. Wonder if that has come up and been used by us as leverage.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #44,119
chiefdave said:
The Indian government were pushing for a relaxation of immigration rules for people who have family members in the UK, that was their bargaining chip in trade negotiations. Wonder if that has come up and been used by us as leverage.
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But the original delay was production so we aren't able to "bribe" anyone as they simply can't produce them in time. It's a similar issue to the AZ plant in Belgium and why they reduced the amount they were supplying to the EU.

The original 5m were not an export ban
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #44,120
Things (finally) seem to be picking-up here with the rollout this week.
 
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David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #44,121
Sick Boy said:
Things (finally) seem to be picking-up here with the rollout this week.
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Well they have just found about 20 million vaccines in Rome
 
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Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #44,122
They are doing a blitz on secondary schools in Northamptonshire at the moment giving left over Pfizer to the teachers. My wife and a couple of friends all from different schools have all had the jab over the last 3/4 days, and managed to get mine today. Relieved actually to get both adults in the house with their first jab given having a vulnerable child.
 
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MusicDating

Euro 2016 Prediction League Champion!!
  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #44,123
Looks like they've kissed and made up - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56509521 Proof will be in the dosage pudding though.
 
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BodicoteSkyBlue

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #44,124
Had my first jab yesterday in Northampton. Very quick & efficient.
Arm bloody aches tonight tho, otherwise feel fine.
 
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David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #44,125
MusicDating said:
Looks like they've kissed and made up - Coronavirus: EU and UK try to end row with 'win-win' on vaccines Proof will be in the dosage pudding though.
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That's because they can both fuck each other up, the stop vaccines getting through and we stop vaccine components.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #44,126
Ian1779 said:
They are doing a blitz on secondary schools in Northamptonshire at the moment giving left over Pfizer to the teachers. My wife and a couple of friends all from different schools have all had the jab over the last 3/4 days, and managed to get mine today. Relieved actually to get both adults in the house with their first jab given having a vulnerable child.
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As great as this news is it's frustrating that this can't become policy rather than acts of spontaneous initiative.
 
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David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #44,127

Pubs that check Covid status may be allowed to drop social distancing

Exclusive: plan under consideration as Boris Johnson tells MPs landlords should set criteria for entry
www.theguardian.com

This could be stupid, not the vaccine passports but allowing no social distancing with a negative test? There aren't 100% and only show you didn't have it when you took the test. could allow clusters of infection again.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #44,128
David O'Day said:

Pubs that check Covid status may be allowed to drop social distancing

Exclusive: plan under consideration as Boris Johnson tells MPs landlords should set criteria for entry
www.theguardian.com

This could be stupid, not the vaccine passports but allowing no social distancing with a negative test? There aren't 100% and only show you didn't have it when you took the test. could allow clusters of infection again.
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Genuine question, how long do you want things like that in place for?
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #44,129
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Genuine question, how long do you want things like that in place for?
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As a general rule I'd say following the majority view of the experts should be the default. The worrying part here is Johnson saying pubs should be able to decide for themselves. Not sure I want people like Tim Martin making what could potentially be life or death decisions.
 

jordan210

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #44,130
Interesting calculator created by a few of the main Unis and others

Licence | QCovid™ risk calculator

www.qcovid.org

My Covid associated death risk is 0.0004% or 1 in 250000 and 1 in 7692 of needing hospital treatment for it
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #44,131
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Genuine question, how long do you want things like that in place for?
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Assuming the roadmap dates remain the same, this is a totally pointless plan isn't it?

All social distancing is planned to end in June anyhow?

So this plan would only be of use for about 5 weeks tops.....17th may - 21st June.

Pointless, costly & divisive.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #44,132
I see in the new Covid travel rules there’s a Stanley Johnson clause so you can go and open up your summer house. Not even joking.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #44,133
Think pubs should open in June (if not earlier) but as much as possible improve ventilation in them by keeping doors and windows open, should be easier in the warmer months. I don't think vaccine passports are workable or necessary, pubs opened last July without any great problems and the evidence that they're some great place of transmission is non-existent.

In fact, the entire "you can't go to pubs or restaurants as it's too dangerous" but you can go to workplaces is the biggest gaslighting exercise ever undertaken. I am no anti-lockdown person but when you look at the situation objectively, we've been banned from everything but working. Even meeting people in the open air. It is no sustainable.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #44,134
chiefdave said:
As a general rule I'd say following the majority view of the experts should be the default. The worrying part here is Johnson saying pubs should be able to decide for themselves. Not sure I want people like Tim Martin making what could potentially be life or death decisions.
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I would say it’s beyond unfair for under 50s to be denied these things when they haven’t been offered jabs yet.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #44,135
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I would say it’s beyond unfair for under 50s to be denied these things when they haven’t been offered jabs yet.
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Its not being denied is it? The discussion I heard on this earlier today was suggesting that business owners can make a choice. Either open to everyone but with similar restrictions to those in place previously (rule of six, social distancing, table service) or open to only those with vaccine passports without any of those restrictions.

And if you do open everything isn't that also, in a manner of speaking, denying things to those who haven't had the jab but aren't comfortable with the risk a lack of restrictions brings?
 
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