shmmeee
Well-Known Member
EU is fine with it. It’s random countries in the EU plus a few elsewhere vs AZ it seems.
What the gov needs to do. Is open up the bookings to 30+ to keep numbers high.
The whole EU vs AZ thing doest sit right with me. Almost as if its being played out to drum up business for vacancies that cost a damn site more and will make someone a lot of money.
As I said, happy for the risk averse approach, especially when something's new. The numbers do seem *very* small though so, you'd expect it to resume in a few days. Radio 2's news has not been a good start to the day the past few days, however!
As I said, happy for the risk averse approach, especially when something's new. The numbers do seem *very* small though so, you'd expect it to resume in a few days. Radio 2's news has not been a good start to the day the past few days, however!
Saw reports of people in the U.K. asking questions of nurses about blood clots and the like, slowing down the throughput having to be reassured if nothing else.
Bloody statistically illiterate idiots are going to cost lives.
This doesn't look good. Study showing the UK variant to be around 55% more lethal. As we already know its also more transmissible.
Increased mortality in community-tested cases of SARS-CoV-2 lineage B.1.1.7 - Nature
Analysis of community-tested cases of SARS-CoV-2 indicates that the B.1.1.7 variant is not only more transmissible than pre-existing variants, but may also cause more severe illness, and is associated with a higher risk of death.www.nature.com
the odds on getting a clot are something ridiculous like 1 in 420,000.
The odds of dying in a car crash in the UK are something like 1 in 20,000
Bit of common sense needed
It can be framed in ways that make it sound much worse than it is.QUOTE from that article
This corresponds to the absolute risk of death for a 55–69-year-old male increasing from 0.6% to 0.9%
QUOTE from that article
This corresponds to the absolute risk of death for a 55–69-year-old male increasing from 0.6% to 0.9%
Funniest thing about that is neither of the people who are referenced in the article has said it was about Brexit. The Italian guy said it was political as they were pressured by France and Germany and the French guy said it was specifically about putting pressure on AstraZenica over supply. It also doesn’t explain why Sweden has also halted its use and AstraZenica is a U.K./Swedish company. It’s also not a ban, it’s a suspension.Surprise surprise up yours EU!!
Shameless Italy and France admit ban on safe AstraZeneca vaccine is political as EU ‘sulks’ over Brexit
Italy & France resume AstraZeneca rollout after admitting ban was political
ITALY and France will “quickly” resume giving out the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine once the European regulator gives the all-clear. They were among 20 European countries to suspend the us…www.thesun.co.uk
Surprise surprise up yours EU!!
Shameless Italy and France admit ban on safe AstraZeneca vaccine is political as EU ‘sulks’ over Brexit
Italy & France resume AstraZeneca rollout after admitting ban was political
ITALY and France will “quickly” resume giving out the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine once the European regulator gives the all-clear. They were among 20 European countries to suspend the us…www.thesun.co.uk
Right or wrong, they are fucking stupid to suspend it
An anti-EU article from the Sun complaining of something being 'political'
Christ... why do people still read this shite?
And dear deidreTits and sport and horoscopes.
Tits and sport and horoscopes.
France can't sue anybody, the contract is between AZ and the European Commission, France is only a recipient. They had better go back to their lawyers.Wanting to sue a not for profit vaccine. Looks like they will do anything to smear AZ
Their not bitter are theyWanting to sue a not for profit vaccine. Looks like they will do anything to smear AZ
No not really, our government have been getting away with murder since day 1.Could you imagine the outcry here if the British public could see the French and Germans all getting vaccinated and us not?
the odds on getting a clot are something ridiculous like 1 in 420,000.
The odds of dying in a car crash in the UK are something like 1 in 20,000
Bit of common sense needed
About one in 450... so far.What are the odds of dying from COVID?
It can, but there’s no getting away from the fact that it’s mutating in the wrong direction.It can be framed in ways that make it sound much worse than it is.
About one in 450... so far.
Well, arguably lower (higher?0 than that, as that's a rough and ready out of the population. If you did the number of people who've died after having caught it, we're looking at about every one in 34.
I don't know about that (mutations) . I wasn't trying to downplay the increase either. Merely that 55% increase in mortality sounds scarier than saying it's gone from 0.6 to 0.9.It can, but there’s no getting away from the fact that it’s mutating in the wrong direction.
I thought it was supposed to lose severity with mutations before eventually petering out.
About one in 450... so far.
Well, arguably lower (higher?0 than that, as that's a rough and ready out of the population. If you did the number of people who've died after having caught it, we're looking at about every one in 34.
That is the risk in the population though, simple division of deaths by population.Think those numbers are way too high NW (as in the risk is far less for a majority of people)
Bit morbid but if anyone’s interested in an approx calculation of their own risk this is quite interesting. If you’re not too old and relatively healthy then risks are very small (based on current variants)...if you’re the opposite then you might not want to use the below
Covid and your heart
Get the latest coronavirus updates from our experts, including what Covid-19 means for you if you have a heart or circulatory condition.www.bhf.org.uk
That is the risk in the population though, simple division of deaths by population.
Now, if you wanted to skew it you could do all kinds of things, including acknowledging that the risk is as good as it is because we've all been indoors. But basically, the same as road accidents don't account for slow moving pensioners / blind people / people off their heads on drugs etc. so a general risk in population doesn't go for subtlety or nuance.
I'm assuming Nick's point was that given the choice between risk of blood clot or risk of Covid, you'd head for blood clot every time, which seems reasonable.
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