Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (23 Viewers)

Saddlebrains · Feb 26, 2021

Yea i suppose, point proven.

I think I'm still pissed off being promised the jab by now and then not, being an asthmatic.

If i dont have my preventer in the morning or at night I'm wheezier than Yakubu and need my blue one. Concerns me that i struggle to breathe without medication yet me and millions of others are apparently alright to be vaccinated last against a respiratory illness

CCFCSteve · Feb 26, 2021

Saddlebrains said:
Yea i suppose, point proven.

I think I'm still pissed off being promised the jab by now and then not, being an asthmatic.

If i dont have my preventer in the morning or at night I'm wheezier than Yakubu and need my blue one. Concerns me that i struggle to breathe without medication yet me and millions of others are apparently alright to be vaccinated last against a respiratory illness

Agree about asthmatics. I thought they should’ve gone ahead of 40-49 group. They’ve split the severity and set quite a high bar by all accounts. Hopefully you’ll get yours soon enough anyway

Saddlebrains · Feb 26, 2021

CCFCSteve said:
Agree about asthmatics. I thought they should’ve gone ahead of 40-49 group. They’ve split the severity and set quite a high bar by all accounts. Hopefully you’ll get yours soon enough anyway

Yep i was told by the doctors id been bumped back down as i havent been hospitalised with asthma problems or an attack in the last 3 years. Found that a bit arbitrary being as probably a small percentage of asthmatics end up in hospital or have an attack each year surely?

jordan210 · Feb 28, 2021

20m first jabs done now !

clint van damme · Feb 28, 2021

jordan210 said:
20m first jabs done now !

Almost a third of the UK, some going.
Very reassuring.

Terry Gibson's perm · Feb 28, 2021

Just been past the Ricoh testing centre one car there and most of the staff standing around chatting not social distancing.

lordy_87 · Feb 28, 2021

Oxford jab for me in Kereseley yesterday

jordan210 · Feb 28, 2021

Lowest numbers today since September.

clint van damme · Feb 28, 2021

jordan210 said:
Lowest numbers today since September.

down around a third, same as new cases.
Not such a dramatic drop in hospital numbers though still well down, great news overall.

David O'Day · Feb 28, 2021

clint van damme said:
down around a third, same as new cases.
Not such a dramatic drop in hospital numbers though still well down, great news overall.

It's starting to rise again in at least 15 LEA areas so I hop ewe don't fuck this up

ajsccfc · Feb 28, 2021

Hitchens in danger of relegation from the shameless grifter top flight now. Stand strong Lozza!

Skybluefaz · Feb 28, 2021

London numbers have dropped massively whereas the North and Midlands seems more stubborn. All this despite the new variation being responsible for massive numbers in London around Xmas time. Was there ever any truth to the variation being more deadly as Johnson said once in the press conference? Seems to have been forgotten about, I presume he was just lying but you never know.

Sky Blue Pete · Feb 28, 2021

Still high aren’t they

clint van damme · Feb 28, 2021

ajsccfc said:
Hitchens in danger of relegation from the shameless grifter top flight now. Stand strong Lozza!

because up until now there has never been a requirement to get a vaccination and a certificate of proof in order to travel, none whatsoever. It's a totally new concept!

Saddlebrains · Feb 28, 2021

Sky Blue Pete said:
Still high aren’t they

Doesn't matter though really does it? I suppose it wouldn't matter if cases fly up when schools go back as long as people aren't being hospitalised or dying. Big test for the vaccine from next week

Sky Blue Pete · Feb 28, 2021

Saddlebrains said:
Doesn't matter though really does it? I suppose it wouldn't matter if cases fly up when schools go back as long as people aren't being hospitalised or dying. Big test for the vaccine from next week

Mutations happen when the virus is mingling. That’s the only matter. It has to be one of the considerations. I don’t know if that’s a genuine worry or a theoretical one. I have to tell myself not to worry as I can’t do anything about it

David O'Day · Feb 28, 2021

Saddlebrains · Feb 28, 2021

Sky Blue Pete said:
Mutations happen when the virus is mingling. That’s the only matter. It has to be one of the considerations. I don’t know if that’s a genuine worry or a theoretical one. I have to tell myself not to worry as I can’t do anything about it

Oh i agree the variants are a worry, but is it the massive problem the press seems to be making it? Viruses mutate all the time, its there nature, always has been.

Surely basic maths shows that with 20 million vaccinated, and say at least 3 or 4 million with antibodies from having the virus from the last 6 months, we cant be far off the point where any variant wouldn't make a difference anyway?

Notice the case numbers and death rates seem to have disappeared from the headlines now they no longer scare people also?

I'm probably talking shit but i fear its scaremongering. The Kent variant, the South African variant we're all something to br scared of apparently, and lo and behold its made no difference to the vaccine

shmmeee · Feb 28, 2021

Another three weeks before it’s spreading again really post lockdown, that’s another 10m people vaccinated (or more accurately 10m of the existing 20m hitting full protection).

chiefdave · Feb 28, 2021

Saddlebrains said:
Oh i agree the variants are a worry, but is it the massive problem the press seems to be making it?

Its so hard to get reliable information even if you're using supposedly 'legit' news sources. Think some of the mainstream press have to take at look at some of their reporting and scaremongering during this crisis.

When a 'variant of concern' is reported what does that actually mean. For example there's a huge difference between this is a new variant we need to research as part of a standard procedure but nothing to be unduly worried about and everyone should panic because there's a vaccine resistant and more infectious variant the has, at least, the same health impact.

When variants were first spoken about it was acknowledged there would be numerous variants but the general consensus seemed to be that they mutate to survive an in doing so become less effective. Now every variant is presented as a worse case scenario. Is that down to how its being reported or what is actually being backed up by research?

Sky Blue Pete · Feb 28, 2021

chiefdave said:
Its so hard to get reliable information even if you're using supposedly 'legit' news sources. Think some of the mainstream press have to take at look at some of their reporting and scaremongering during this crisis.

When a 'variant of concern' is reported what does that actually mean. For example there's a huge difference between this is a new variant we need to research as part of a standard procedure but nothing to be unduly worried about and everyone should panic because there's a vaccine resistant and more infectious variant the has, at least, the same health impact.

When variants were first spoken about it was acknowledged there would be numerous variants but the general consensus seemed to be that they mutate to survive an in doing so become less effective. Now every variant is presented as a worse case scenario. Is that down to how its being reported or what is actually being backed up by research?

That’s what I’d read too

shmmeee · Feb 28, 2021

chiefdave said:
Its so hard to get reliable information even if you're using supposedly 'legit' news sources. Think some of the mainstream press have to take at look at some of their reporting and scaremongering during this crisis.

When a 'variant of concern' is reported what does that actually mean. For example there's a huge difference between this is a new variant we need to research as part of a standard procedure but nothing to be unduly worried about and everyone should panic because there's a vaccine resistant and more infectious variant the has, at least, the same health impact.

When variants were first spoken about it was acknowledged there would be numerous variants but the general consensus seemed to be that they mutate to survive an in doing so become less effective. Now every variant is presented as a worse case scenario. Is that down to how its being reported or what is actually being backed up by research?

Most of the sensible COVID people I follow on Twitter are talking about vaccine success more than anything. Now they’re as prone to bias as anyone else, but I’m guessing it’s mostly media hyperbole.

Evo1883 · Mar 1, 2021

Was reading an article that caught my attention, it was the dialy mail however it caught my attention in passing through social media as it talked about people coming forward and talking about family members dying and having their deaths put down as covid despite never having tested positive etc etc.

This is one of the things that's bothered me since the beginning tbh but it can never be changed or I highly doubt investigated properly either once we've moved on shall we say and the dust settles..

Its alway been clear to me that death figures are over inflated to a degree, to what degree we will probably never know but I feel for all the families out there who have this to deal with this.

The government have got so many things wrong during this pandemic, this is surely one of them

shmmeee · Mar 1, 2021

Evo1883 said:
Was reading an article that caught my attention, it was the dialy mail however it caught my attention in passing through social media as it talked about people coming forward and talking about family members dying and having their deaths put down as covid despite never having tested positive etc etc.

This is one of the things that's bothered me since the beginning tbh but it can never be changed or I highly doubt investigated properly either once we've moved on shall we say and the dust settles..

Its alway been clear to me that death figures are over inflated to a degree, to what degree we will probably never know but I feel for all the families out there who have this to deal with this.

The government have got so many things wrong during this pandemic, this is surely one of them

It’s nonsense. If anything we under counted to start with.

It’s a problem with cause of death basically. It’s not as cut and dried as people think “Oh he died of X”, a judgement has to be made about what pushed them over the edge from likely multiple things together.

So early on people were dying “from” things other than COVID who wouldn’t have died without COVID. Then they brought in the general rule about within 28 days of a positive test to have some more reliable data. But like all data choices that comes with caveats around capturing some people and missing others (those who never got tested or died after a long period of complications for example).

We know the deaths aren’t inflated generally by looking at excess deaths basically. There were something like 60/70k excess deaths last year and that’s with things like driving deaths virtually disappearing. And there’ll be more at the start of this year.

The Mail are just doing what the Mail do with every health issue and spouting uninformed nonsense to whip people into a panic. This was the paper that pushed the MMR nonsense and a million fake cancer causes/cures remember. Their audience eats this shit up.

Evo1883 · Mar 1, 2021

shmmeee said:
It’s nonsense. If anything we under counted to start with.

It’s a problem with cause of death basically. It’s not as cut and dried as people think “Oh he died of X”, a judgement has to be made about what pushed them over the edge from likely multiple things together.

So early on people were dying “from” things other than COVID who wouldn’t have died without COVID. Then they brought in the general rule about within 28 days of a positive test to have some more reliable data. But like all data choices that comes with caveats around capturing some people and missing others (those who never got tested or died after a long period of complications for example).

We know the deaths aren’t inflated generally by looking at excess deaths basically. There were something like 60/70k excess deaths last year and that’s with things like driving deaths virtually disappearing. And there’ll be more at the start of this year.

The Mail are just doing what the Mail do with every health issue and spouting uninformed nonsense to whip people into a panic. This was the paper that pushed the MMR nonsense and a million fake cancer causes/cures remember. Their audience eats this shit up.

I dont read the mail, but I don't see anything wrong with the article tbh..

I'm not a covid denier by any stretch, have pretty much kept in line with the majority view of the forum here for some time... However a 28 day period... Then even longer was applied at one point to class as death from covid... It's not all legitimate,one women 99 never tested positive had dementia and COPD... Covid on certificate

I dont believe its under whatsoever... Even being balanced I believe its over inflated... Maybe only by a small number though,Problem is nobody will ever know

It's a disaster for families who've been put through this, not us on here who don't know what it is to experience this ... That's all I can say on it

SBT · Mar 1, 2021

Haven't read the article, but why is it worse for bereaved families if the cause of death is listed as COVID?

Evo1883 · Mar 1, 2021

SBT said:
Haven't read the article, but why is it worse for bereaved families if the cause of death is listed as COVID?

If your 99 year old mum dies and they put the cause of death as covid despite never testing positive... That's going be stressful for a family who want to know the truth.

I'd be bothered by it

Strange question tbh

Sky Blue Pete · Mar 1, 2021

SBT said:
Haven't read the article, but why is it worse for bereaved families if the cause of death is listed as COVID?

Yep the figures on excess deaths are key.

Anything else is supposition. It’s also an offence to incorrectly complete a death certificate. I wonder why professional doctors would lie? Oh that’s right they wouldn’t

SBT · Mar 1, 2021

Evo1883 said:
If your 99 year old mum dies and they put the cause of death as covid despite never testing positive... That's going be stressful for a family who want to know the truth.

I'd be bothered by it

Strange question tbh

If my mum dies, and I ask the doctor what happened and he tells me "She died of coronavirus", why wouldn't I believe them?

Evo1883 · Mar 1, 2021

SBT said:
If my mum dies, and I ask the doctor what happened and he tells me "She died of coronavirus", why wouldn't I believe them?

You'd believe them, if she had severe dementia and COPD , there were zero cases in her care home and she'd never tested positive?
I just find that strange

Let's say for the purpose of this thread the numbers are incorrect, either lower or higher and its a bit of a tragedy either way as we will never know the true extent of the virus... I don't believe the figures are correct one way or the other

I do feel for the families who will never know what really killed their loved ones

SBT · Mar 1, 2021

Evo1883 said:
You'd believe them, if she had severe dementia and COPD , there were zero cases in her care home and she'd never tested positive?

I don't have a medical degree, so yes.

Evo1883 · Mar 1, 2021

SBT said:
I don't have a medical degree, so yes.

I dont really wish to argue, but how can you say somebody has died of covid if you've never tested positive for it and you have COPD... A chronic breathing problem, dementia and you're 99..

Very strange

SBT · Mar 1, 2021

Evo1883 said:
I dont really wish to argue, but how can you say somebody has died of covid if you've never tested positive for it and you have COPD... A chronic breathing problem, dementia and you're 99..

I would probably ask a doctor

Evo1883 · Mar 1, 2021

SBT said:
I would probably ask a doctor

Yea I'm not sure that a diagnosis can be made without tests though... A doctors educated guess isn't an answer

SBT · Mar 1, 2021

Evo1883 said:
Yea I'm not sure that a diagnosis can be made without tests though... A doctors educated guess isn't an answer

I would think that a doctor treating a geriatric dementia patient in a care home would have done some tests. And I would think their diagnosis, whatever it was based on, would be more accurate than mine. But what do I know, that's just an educated guess.

But anyway, as you say, clearly you don't really wish to argue

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