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Ian1779

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  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #42,806
CCFCSteve said:
Spot on. They’ll be another ‘cliff edge’ next time so will be interesting to see if that’s addressed next week. There’s murmurs of stamp duty being dropped full time for sales below a certain sum. Won’t happen next week but maybe they’ll keep an eye on how the market looks in coming months

I’ve always thought the biggest scam is the ability for people to pull out of deals at no cost to them (think they should at least cover legals on other side). Tricky with chains though I guess but never felt right to me
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I think for those people with a single property stamp duty is a little unnecessary - use it for people that own multiple properties.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #42,807
Ian1779 said:
If you were a solicitor specialising in conveyancing and getting a fixed 2K+ a time for a sale and purchase, you’d want to be smashing them out all over the place. I know they are hamstrung by the slowness of the searches process which seems to be stuck in the 19th Century, but they could then put pressure on this for reform. I did read somewhere government were looking at the whole conveyancing process as it’s so far behind the times.
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I agree, the person I am buying off is using the same firm.

It's in their interest to blast it out and get paid. Fuck knows why they drag their heels so much for such basic stuff.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #42,808
CCFCSteve said:
Spot on. They’ll be another ‘cliff edge’ next time so will be interesting to see if that’s addressed next week. There’s murmurs of stamp duty being dropped full time for sales below a certain sum. Won’t happen next week but maybe they’ll keep an eye on how the market looks in coming months

I’ve always thought the biggest scam is the ability for people to pull out of deals at no cost to them (think they should at least cover legals on other side). Tricky with chains though I guess but never felt right to me
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Stamp Duty only applies for properties over a certain amount doesn't it?
 

Saddlebrains

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #42,809
Thought this was a Covid thread?
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #42,810
Nick said:
Stamp Duty only applies for properties over a certain amount doesn't it?
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Yeah. In normal times over 125k i think. Currently zero up to 500k. Meant they might push up limit
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #42,811
A reminder that there is a shocking amount of racism in this country.


Job losses in pandemic due to performance issues, say nearly half of Britons

Kings College London study also revealed negative views of minorities are still common
www.theguardian.com


"In one of the starkest findings, one in eight Britons (13%) said they think black people are more likely to be unemployed and have lower incomes because they “lack motivation or willpower”.

This attitude was held by more than one in five of the Conservative voters polled, compared with less than one in 20 Labour supporters. Overall, 47% said those inequalities are because of discrimination but strikingly racist views remain, with 4% of respondents saying inequality was because most black people have “less in-born ability to learn”. The researchers discovered this by asking questions rarely posed in the UK, but often included in US social surveys."
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #42,812
PVA said:
A reminder that there is a shocking amount of racism in this country.


Job losses in pandemic due to performance issues, say nearly half of Britons

Kings College London study also revealed negative views of minorities are still common
www.theguardian.com


"In one of the starkest findings, one in eight Britons (13%) said they think black people are more likely to be unemployed and have lower incomes because they “lack motivation or willpower”.

This attitude was held by more than one in five of the Conservative voters polled, compared with less than one in 20 Labour supporters. Overall, 47% said those inequalities are because of discrimination but strikingly racist views remain, with 4% of respondents saying inequality was because most black people have “less in-born ability to learn”. The researchers discovered this by asking questions rarely posed in the UK, but often included in US social surveys."
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4% is around the bat shit number, any poll has around that level of trolls/can’t understand the question/ticked the wrong box and it can safely be written off.

British social attitudes survey has good longitudinal data and asks people if they are prejudiced against other races. The number has been slowly dropping from about 35% to around 25%, and the question is still ambiguous (especially now the woke orthodoxy is to recognise everyone is racially biased), but it’s a pretty good indicator.

And of course, standard disclaimer that this is lower than most countries but of course still not low enough.
 
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PVA

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  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #42,813
shmmeee said:
4% is around the bat shit number, any poll has around that level of trolls/can’t understand the question/ticked the wrong box and it can safely be written off.

British social attitudes survey has good longitudinal data and asks people if they are prejudiced against other races. The number has been slowly dropping from about 35% to around 25%, and the question is still ambiguous (especially now the woke orthodoxy is to recognise everyone is racially biased), but it’s a pretty good indicator.

And of course, standard disclaimer that this is lower than most countries but of course still not low enough.
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Yeah agree on the 4%.

But the 13%? Or 20% of Tory voters? Not good.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #42,814
PVA said:
Yeah agree on the 4%.

But the 13%? Or 20% of Tory voters? Not good.
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Actually better than I’d expect as my baseline assumption is around 20% of the population is racist and most of them probably vote Tory.

But yeah, it’s shitty. Question is how do we drive it lower as the world leader in reducing racism? Tough when there’s no good models to follow.
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #42,815
Just realised which thread I’m in and don’t want to shit this up especially for hill83, so won’t comment on that any more.
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #42,816
hill83 said:
All the searches and documentation etc was done on my old place when we bought it. I’ve still got it all saved. Why couldn’t I just hand that to the people buying the house after me? Maybe not the actual checks on the building but the other local area survey shite.
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When I bought mine, the solicitor was the same that had been used for the previous purchase. He still had to do the searches from scratch, despite them being in his filing cabinet!

Although tbf, a couple came up with different results...!
 

hill83

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #42,817
PVA said:
A reminder that there is a shocking amount of racism in this country.


Job losses in pandemic due to performance issues, say nearly half of Britons

Kings College London study also revealed negative views of minorities are still common
www.theguardian.com


"In one of the starkest findings, one in eight Britons (13%) said they think black people are more likely to be unemployed and have lower incomes because they “lack motivation or willpower”.

This attitude was held by more than one in five of the Conservative voters polled, compared with less than one in 20 Labour supporters. Overall, 47% said those inequalities are because of discrimination but strikingly racist views remain, with 4% of respondents saying inequality was because most black people have “less in-born ability to learn”. The researchers discovered this by asking questions rarely posed in the UK, but often included in US social surveys."
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Read this earlier. Not surprised, nothing to say.
 

Philosoraptor

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #42,818
shmmeee said:
Actually better than I’d expect as my baseline assumption is around 20% of the population is racist and most of them probably vote Tory.

But yeah, it’s shitty. Question is how do we drive it lower as the world leader in reducing racism? Tough when there’s no good models to follow.
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I think we need to broaden this a little and look at any form of discrimination in general, with racism being just a part of the ugly bigger picture.

Would you agree with the argument that any councillor or MP through their actions or inactions which had lead to discriminatory acts be it legal or illegal at the time of their public service should pay restitution costs to society by losing their LGA pension?
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #42,819
Philosorapter said:
I think we need to broaden this a little and look at any form of discrimination in general, with racism being just a part of the ugly bigger picture.

Would you agree with the argument that any councillor or MP through their actions or inactions which had lead to discriminatory acts be it legal or illegal at the time of their public service should pay restitution costs to society by losing their LGA pension?
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U OK hun?
 

Philosoraptor

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #42,820
shmmeee said:
U OK hun?
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mhmm?
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #42,821
Philosorapter said:
mhmm?
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Is this a Grendel tribute act?

I prefer the original
 

Philosoraptor

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #42,822
shmmeee said:
Is this a Grendel tribute act?

I prefer the original
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It's a simple question to answer Shmmeee.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #42,823
Philosorapter said:
It's a simple question to answer ask Shmmeee.
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... I am shmmeee

Thoroughly confused now. I posted something about the level of racism in the U.K., you asked some weird convoluted question I can barely parse.

You want to try again?
 

Philosoraptor

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #42,824
shmmeee said:
... I am shmmeee

Thoroughly confused now. I posted something about the level of racism in the U.K., you asked some weird convoluted question I can barely parse.

You want to try again?
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I can ask this all day..

'Would you agree with the argument that any councillor or MP through their actions or inactions which had lead to discriminatory acts be it legal or illegal at the time of their public service should pay restitution costs to society by losing their LGA pension? '
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #42,825
skybluetony176 said:
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Heard this on the radio last night. He's utterly void of content isn't he?
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #42,826
fernandopartridge said:
Heard this on the radio last night. He's utterly void of content isn't he?
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He's symbolic of the lack of talent the Tory Parliamentary Party has. They are a party of pub bore Nigels at Westminster at the moment.
 

jordan210

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #42,827
Another 15% drop in deaths week to week today. Not sure on test positives as not seen the data for today.
But hopefully a drop from last week would be nice
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #42,828
Philosorapter said:
I can ask this all day..

'Would you agree with the argument that any councillor or MP through their actions or inactions which had lead to discriminatory acts be it legal or illegal at the time of their public service should pay restitution costs to society by losing their LGA pension? '
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Do I think someone that doesn’t do something illegal should lose their pension?

No?

Edit, sorry I’ve still misread:

Do I think someone who does something that causes discriminatory acts to happen should lose their pension?

Is that it?

Still no. Terms of employment are terms of employment.

What is this?
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #42,829
jordan210 said:
Another 15% drop in deaths week to week today. Not sure on test positives as not seen the data for today.
But hopefully a drop from last week would be nice
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Confirmed cases just under 10k (from 740k tests) down from 12k last Thursday
Vaccinations back to normal 450k first dose and 30k second dose

A decent day
 
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Philosoraptor

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #42,830
shmmeee said:
Do I think someone that doesn’t do something illegal should lose their pension?

No?

Edit, sorry I’ve still misread:

Do I think someone who does something that causes discriminatory acts to happen should lose their pension?

Is that it?

Still no. Terms of employment are terms of employment.

What is this?
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Okay Shmmeee, we've finally got the ball rolling.

What about this;

We stop the pensions of the people from the LGA involved in this anyway. We pack out the legal system with people that somehow agree with this position and then wait for them to go through the court system all the way to EHCR and then drag our feet as much as possible when the ECHR rules in the LGA favour. They could be without their pensions for a good 10 years.

This is all very legal.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #42,831
Philosorapter said:
Okay Shmmeee, we've finally got the ball rolling.

What about this;

We stop the pensions of the people from the LGA involved in this anyway. We pack out the legal system with people that somehow agree with this position and then wait for them to go through the court system all the way to EHCR and then drag our feet as much as possible when the ECHR rules in the LGA favour. They could be without their pensions for a good 10 years.

This is all very legal.
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O....K....

What has any of this got to do with the baseline level of racism in the U.K.? Or for that matter, COVID?
 

Philosoraptor

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #42,832
shmmeee said:
O....K....

What has any of this got to do with the baseline level of racism in the U.K.? Or for that matter, COVID?
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I think discrimination comes in many forms with racism being just one part of it.

Utilitarianism, the dangers of it, and all that.

Utilitarianism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #42,833
Philosorapter said:
I think discrimination comes in many forms with racism being just one part of it.

Utilitarianism, the dangers of it, and all that.

Utilitarianism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org
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I feel like everyone else when you post the stats graphs now.
 
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Philosoraptor

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #42,834
shmmeee said:
I feel like everyone else when you post the stats graphs now.
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It is something that affects all political parties. Some more than others.

On an entirely separate point; Why isn't Starmer 20 points ahead in the polls by now?
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #42,835
Philosorapter said:
It is something that affects all political parties. Some more than others.

On an entirely separate point; Why isn't Starmer 20 points ahead in the polls by now?
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Because the government is paying people to stay at home and saving their grannies from COVID?

Or are you one of these that thinks everyone in the country is as obsessed with the minutiae of political debate as you are?
 
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Philosoraptor

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #42,836
shmmeee said:
Because the government is paying people to stay at home and saving their grannies from COVID?

Or are you one of these that thinks everyone in the country is as obsessed with the minutiae of political debate as you are?
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It's a question that's not going to go away. Hope it turns around in time for the local elections.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #42,837
This thread has taken a very odd turn.
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #42,838
chiefdave said:
This thread has taken a very odd turn.
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most do
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #42,839
Philosorapter said:
It's a question that's not going to go away. Hope it turns around in time for the local elections.
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Its not going to. You realise Labour were 20 points behind when he took over and have been level for a while? You realise his personal ratings are higher than the last couple of leaders at the same point? The fundamentals are strong, you don’t reverse twenty years of distancing yourself from voters in a year, especially a year where everyone’s locked inside, the govt get prime time press conferences daily, are giving people half price Nando’s, letting them WFH or sit off on furlough, and absolutely smashing the vaccine program out of the park.

I wouldn’t expect to see the government behind until next year unless the fuck something massive up about coming out of lockdown. And even then they get a free “it’s a pandemic who knew” pass. And I haven’t even got into Boris’ illness and baby both of which further embed his existing popular appeal.

I can’t state strongly enough how ridiculous what you’re saying is and how far from political reality you are. Twitter isn’t real life. Politics isn’t everyone’s hobby. General elections aren’t won four years before polling day.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #42,840
CCFCSteve said:
Confirmed cases just under 10k (from 740k tests) down from 12k last Thursday
Vaccinations back to normal 450k first dose and 30k second dose

A decent day
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Is that 730k people who have symptoms but not covid
 
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