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fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 27, 2021
  • #41,056
David O'Day said:
Best effort? They paid 300 million up front which is a pretty valid contract of sale.
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No necessarily - if the contract is just based on best endeavours then they're paying £300m for that. It'd be interesting to see the contract.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 27, 2021
  • #41,057
David O'Day said:
If the shoe was on the other foot then the clamour to ban exports would be deafening which I just find a tad hypocritical.
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I agree but it doesn't make it right.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 27, 2021
  • #41,058
David O'Day said:
Best effort? They paid 300 million up front which is a pretty valid contract of sale.
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No it is a type of agreement that accounts for unexpected production issues.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 27, 2021
  • #41,059
shmmeee said:
I think the main difference between pre and post vaccine strategy has been that there’s no Tory backbencher against rapid vaccination. No matter where you stand, whether it’s humanitarian or economic or freedom concerns, mass vaccinations as quickly as possible are the answer.

Also the fact that supplies will have been procured through large existing companies means no chance for the usual cronyism.

The lockdown strategy has been beset by Johnson’s weakness and inability to accept people not liking him and he’s ended up dithering and waiting to the last minute and fudging trying to keep all the lobbyists happy.
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He’s like some of the worst teachers I’ve worked with
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 27, 2021
  • #41,060
Brighton Sky Blue said:
He’s like some of the worst teachers I’ve worked with
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Said it before, big crap supply teacher energy.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jan 27, 2021
  • #41,061
fernandopartridge said:
I agree but it doesn't make it right.
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Can we also agree that the Chairman of AZ flouncing off is only going to make the situation worse?
 

David O'Day

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  • Jan 27, 2021
  • #41,062
Brighton Sky Blue said:
No it is a type of agreement that accounts for unexpected production issues.
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seen it?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 27, 2021
  • #41,063
David O'Day said:
Can we also agree that the Chairman of AZ flouncing off is only going to make the situation worse?
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Only if the reason for the flounce isn't to attend to something that relates to addressing the supply issue
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2021
  • #41,064
fernandopartridge said:
Only if the reason for the flounce isn't to attend to something that relates to addressing the supply issue
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Seems to have cancelled his meeting with them because they are angry at him
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 27, 2021
  • #41,065
David O'Day said:
seen it?
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They haven’t published it, that’s what the AZ boss is claiming was agreed, the EU claim the opposite
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2021
  • #41,066
shmmeee said:
Said it before, big crap supply teacher energy.
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‘I said they could do homework if they wanted but not if they found it difficult’
 

hill83

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  • Jan 27, 2021
  • #41,067
David O'Day said:
Can we also agree that the Chairman of AZ flouncing off is only going to make the situation worse?
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Britain and EU clash over claims to UK-produced Covid vaccine

EU health commissioner dismisses AstraZeneca argument it is contractually obliged to supply UK first
www.theguardian.com
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2021
  • #41,068
hill83 said:

Britain and EU clash over claims to UK-produced Covid vaccine

EU health commissioner dismisses AstraZeneca argument it is contractually obliged to supply UK first
www.theguardian.com
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Ah the called out for flouncing off so pretend not to flounce move.

Classic since primary school
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2021
  • #41,069
chiefdave said:
That would be how any other business would work. You go through the orders as recieved. If we ordered first we get delivery first.

Didn't we gamble and place orders way before we knew if it worked and promised to pay even if it didn't?

Of course if I was in the EU and being told there's no jabs to be had as we're on a waiting list I'm sure I'd be demanding something be done, especially if while being told there was none available they were being exported to other countries.

Certainly questions to be asked about how many orders were accepted and more importantly what promises were made about delivery times and how realistic those promises were.
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I agree getting orders fulfilled in the order they're placed. I think the EU are using the fact they paid up front as leverage (I'm assuming from this that we didn't btw) and this muddies the water a bit (tho in my opinion they are still mainly in the wrong here).

Say if someone ordered before you on credit and you paid up front a bit later you would feel a bit aggrieved that you'd already paid, they hadn't, yet they were getting orders fulfilled. IMO if that's how the contracts are made out the company has the obligation to fulfil them in the order received unless the up front payment contract specifically says they get to 'jump the queue'.

The issue for me is that it requires two doses and if we've started the rollout based on that and if we don't get the order in a timely fashion it will badly effect the timetable that should take precedent. Of course I feel in our rollout we should take these potential production problems into account and set aside each shipment accordingly (i.e. if we got 30m doses delivered we treat that as 15m to ensure those that got their first jab will get their second to make it as effective as possible).

I'm sure if it were the other way round we'd be complaining we hadn't received any of our order despite paying up front.
 

hill83

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  • Jan 27, 2021
  • #41,070
David O'Day said:
Ah the called out for flouncing off so pretend not to flounce move.

Classic since primary school
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I remember we clashed early on when you were convinced the virus wasn't going to be anything bad and last season wasn't going to be abandoned and you'd "dealt with" everyone, so I'll leave it thanks. You were the dribblingly positive corona guy at the time.
 
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SomersetSB

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  • Jan 27, 2021
  • #41,071
The vaccine roll-out proves Britain’s better off without the Euro Mafia

The vaccine roll-out proves Britain's better off without the Euro Mafia

THE EU’s true colours are now starkly exposed to its enraged citizens and even UK fans who have supported it for so long. On vaccines, it is paying the price of its cumbersome bureaucracy and woefu…
www.thesun.co.uk
 

hill83

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  • Jan 27, 2021
  • #41,072
It’sabatch87 said:
The vaccine roll-out proves Britain’s better off without the Euro Mafia

The vaccine roll-out proves Britain's better off without the Euro Mafia

THE EU’s true colours are now starkly exposed to its enraged citizens and even UK fans who have supported it for so long. On vaccines, it is paying the price of its cumbersome bureaucracy and woefu…
www.thesun.co.uk
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Posting an opinion piece offers nothing
 

David O'Day

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  • Jan 27, 2021
  • #41,073
hill83 said:
I remember we clashed early on when you were convinced the virus wasn't going to be anything bad and last season wasn't going to be abandoned and you'd "dealt with" everyone, so I'll leave it thanks. You were the dribblingly positive corona guy at the time.
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I've already admitted I called that wrong
 

David O'Day

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  • Jan 27, 2021
  • #41,074
hill83 said:
Posting an opinion piece offers nothing
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A "Sun" opinion piece as well
 

hill83

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2021
  • #41,075
David O'Day said:
I've already admitted I called that wrong
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I know, but the way you went about it at the time puts me off engaging now.
 

David O'Day

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  • Jan 27, 2021
  • #41,076
hill83 said:
I know, but the way you went about it at the time puts me off engaging now.
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I have no interest in fighting about it so let's call it quits
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2021
  • #41,077
Brighton Sky Blue said:
‘I said they could do homework if they wanted but not if they found it difficult’
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“I just let them have five minutes of games at the start to get it out their system”
 
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chiefdave

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  • Jan 27, 2021
  • #41,078
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I agree getting orders fulfilled in the order they're placed. I think the EU are using the fact they paid up front as leverage (I'm assuming from this that we didn't btw) and this muddies the water a bit (tho in my opinion they are still mainly in the wrong here).
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Looking at some old press releases it seems 700 million doses had already been ordered, including by the UK, by the time the EU got around to ordering.

As for paying up front that may be a case of semantics as the UK government put a considerable amount into the development of the vaccine and improvements in manufacturing capacity. Part of that funding was an agreement that a proportion of those doses manufacturers would go to developing countries that couldn't afford to buy the vaccine.

Not sure how far the EU can really push this. At the end of the day demand far outstrips supply so you'd think the manufacturer holds all the cards.
 
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SomersetSB

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  • Jan 27, 2021
  • #41,079
David O'Day said:
A "Sun" opinion piece as well
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I feel the same way about that guardian liberal rag as well
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 27, 2021
  • #41,080
It’sabatch87 said:
I feel the same way about that guardian liberal rag as well
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You do realise how much funding our universities got in EU research money right?
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jan 27, 2021
  • #41,081
The EU strike first blow

Covid: Wrexham vaccine production resumes after suspect package

The Army sends a bomb disposal unit to a site where the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine is produced.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2021
  • #41,082
David O'Day said:
The EU strike first blow

Covid: Wrexham vaccine production resumes after suspect package

The Army sends a bomb disposal unit to a site where the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine is produced.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Not really funny though is it
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 27, 2021
  • #41,083
Boris saying provisional school reopening of March 8th
 
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hill83

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  • Jan 27, 2021
  • #41,084
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Boris saying provisional school reopening of March 8th
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2 weeks notice as well of any reopenings.
 

SomersetSB

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  • Jan 27, 2021
  • #41,085
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Not really funny though is it
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Not really funny though is it
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It’s ok his sort have always liked sending suspect packages!!
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 27, 2021
  • #41,086
hill83 said:
2 weeks notice as well of any reopenings.
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Concerns me he is assuming that immunity kicks in 3 weeks after just one jab
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 27, 2021
  • #41,087
It’sabatch87 said:
It’s ok his sort have always liked sending suspect packages!!
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I wasn’t going to say that out loud
 
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hill83

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  • Jan 27, 2021
  • #41,088
Starmer is going in like a half time teamtalk at 3-0 down. I just don’t buy him though.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 27, 2021
  • #41,089
hill83 said:
Starmer is going in like a half time teamtalk at 3-0 down. I just don’t buy him though.
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Annoys me that he takes pauses every 3-4 words
 

hill83

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  • Jan 27, 2021
  • #41,090
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Annoys me that he takes pauses every 3-4 words
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A technique to avoid saying ‘er’. Bloke at work does it and needs chinning.
 
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