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shmmeee

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,271
Ian1779 said:
My son is currently learning about survival techniques on Fortnite as his primary school haven’t had the time to turn around his remote learning for today given the lateness of the announcement.
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Said to my girls I’ll set them work cos they can’t expect remote learning with a 12 hour turn around when 8 of those hours are sleep
 
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Ian1779

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,272
shmmeee said:
Said to my girls I’ll set them work cos they can’t expect remote learning with a 12 hour turn around when 8 of those hours are sleep
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Same here - he will do some reading, and some English and Maths work in some booklets we bought for the first lockdown.
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,273
David O'Day said:
it's bullshit, he needs to be realistic that is what is wrong
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You and BSB are both kind of right. The mid Feb sounded like an aim to offer everyone in risk groups the vaccine. How and when restrictions are lifted was then heavily caveated. The governments ability to manage expectations has been poor throughout this, but to get people’s buy in you need to give them hope that the end is in sight.

A daily update on vaccination numbers would be useful and I wouldn’t be surprised if this gets brought in mid/late Jan when they have higher numbers of vaccines being manufactured and all the systems are in place to administer it quickly are fully up and running
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,274
Whats the law on refusing to go to work?
 

SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,275
Gove already backtracking on things being lifted in mid Feb, says will in March IF 14 million are vaccinated.....we’ll be in this for months the country is literally finished
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,276
Shmmeee, Ian and those others with kids at home, I’m not sure if you’ve seen Duo Lingo, the language learning app. I’ve been using it. It’s free for basic offering, not sure of cost for unlimited access. Decent though even for 15 mins a day
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,277
Nick said:
Whats the law on refusing to go to work?
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Depends. It’ll likely come down to two questions: can you work from home and if not have they done everything reasonable to make work safe.

If you’ve already worked from home like I have they haven’t got a leg to stand on really as you’ve proved you can work from home.

A lot of teachers didn’t go in Monday because they didn’t think it was safe. If the government/schools had decided to push it it would’ve been down to a tribunal to decide I’d guess.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,278
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Gove already backtracking on things being lifted in mid Feb, says will in March IF 14 million are vaccinated.....we’ll be in this for months the country is literally finished
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They never said stuff would be lifted by then though Dom. The aim is to get high risk vaccinated (offered vaccine was the loose wording used) by mid Feb, then 2-3 weeks for those last lot to have immunity kick in. Then some ifs and buts !

edit - that’s what I heard anyway
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,279
shmmeee said:
Depends. It’ll likely come down to two questions: can you work from home and if not have they done everything reasonable to make work safe.

If you’ve already worked from home like I have they haven’t got a leg to stand on really as you’ve proved you can work from home.

A lot of teachers didn’t go in Monday because they didn’t think it was safe. If the government/schools had decided to push it it would’ve been down to a tribunal to decide I’d guess.
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Will it get me away from the c**t slurping his tea?
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,280
shmmeee said:
Well just told my work I’m not coming into the office. Their position last night was nothing has changed but I live with two OAPs and am not taking the risk.
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Damn straight
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,281
Nick said:
Whats the law on refusing to go to work?
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Refusing to go into work rather than do work is somewhat different especially for good reason
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,282
Sky Blue Pete said:
Refusing to go into work rather than do work is somewhat different especially for good reason
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When it comes to relying on SSP then people need to be dying to not go to work.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,283
CCFCSteve said:
They never said stuff would be lifted by then though Dom. The aim is to get high risk vaccinated (offered vaccine was the loose wording used) by mid Feb, then 2-3 weeks for those last lot to have immunity kick in. Then some ifs and buts !

edit - that’s what I heard anyway
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Yeah, tbf I wish they'd stop promising unrealistic vaccine times, but I do understand putting a date not *too* far in the future for things to be reviewed - got to give something for people to aim for!
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,284
Sky Blue Pete said:
Refusing to go into work rather than do work is somewhat different especially for good reason
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Well if you’ve been employed for less than two years and they want you in in that example I’d be looking for a new job as the decision will soon be made for you
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,285
shmmeee said:
Depends. It’ll likely come down to two questions: can you work from home and if not have they done everything reasonable to make work safe.

If you’ve already worked from home like I have they haven’t got a leg to stand on really as you’ve proved you can work from home.

A lot of teachers didn’t go in Monday because they didn’t think it was safe. If the government/schools had decided to push it it would’ve been down to a tribunal to decide I’d guess.
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You can legally refuse to work if the workspace is unsafe. In fact under health and safety and work act we need to do something about making it safe too
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,286
Deleted member 5849 said:
Yeah, tbf I wish they'd stop promising unrealistic vaccine times, but I do understand putting a date not *too* far in the future for things to be reviewed - got to give something for people to aim for!
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such a fine balance though mate. Everyone hears what they want to anyway. My mate was saying earlier he didn’t like Johnson’s vagueness/flakiness with the timeframes (yet Dom and others mayve heard mid Feb as a set deadline when everything will start to get back to normal). Theyre right to build in a bit of wriggle room (with some if’s and buts) after previous occasions of not managing expectations but agree, the timeline for vaccinations for higher risks appears tight* !!! If they miss it by a week I’d take it though !

*could be other stuff at play ie pushing Hancock (or others) to pull their finger out and deliver something theyve promised Johnson. Would rather have an aggressive target and miss it by a bit than have a relaxed one...that still gets missed by a bit !
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,287
Grendel said:
Well if you’ve been employed for less than two years and they want you in in that example I’d be looking for a new job as the decision will soon be made for you
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Yep unfortunately you may be right. Workers rights have been attacked by conservative governments
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,288
CCFCSteve said:
They never said stuff would be lifted by then though Dom. The aim is to get high risk vaccinated (offered vaccine was the loose wording used) by mid Feb, then 2-3 weeks for those last lot to have immunity kick in. Then some ifs and buts !

edit - that’s what I heard anyway
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I think there’s been an assumption that it would be mid February as Boris gave a target of mid February to vaccinate the top 4 groups of people.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,289
Sky Blue Pete said:
Yep unfortunately you may be right. Workers rights have been attacked by conservative governments
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You can be sacked for literally anything first two years. Grendels just doing a weird manager flex. Sacking people for not breaking the law is apparently much manly.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,290
Thought this was useful next time you hear something from the contrarian squad about COVID:

 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,291
shmmeee said:
You can be sacked for literally anything first two years. Grendels just doing a weird manager flex. Sacking people for not breaking the law is apparently much manly.
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Refusing to go to work if asked probably is sackable. It isn't breaking the law to go to work, sadly
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,292
I still don't get why there are still so many international flights, what's the point of locking people down if then people can just fly in and out?
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,293
Nick said:
Refusing to go to work if asked probably is sackable. It isn't breaking the law to go to work, sadly
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If you’re asked to go in and they can’t prove it’s safe and that you can’t reasonably work from home they’re breaking the law. Or it will be tomorrow.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,294
Nick said:
I still don't get why there are still so many international flights, what's the point of locking people down if then people can just fly in and out?
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It’s madness. Surely we’ve got to close the borders and start testing anyone coming in. I can’t understand why we wouldn’t.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,295
shmmeee said:
If you’re asked to go in and they can’t prove it’s safe and that you can’t reasonably work from home they’re breaking the law. Or it will be tomorrow.
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Not sure it's possible to prove anywhere is safe is it?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,296
shmmeee said:
It’s madness. Surely we’ve got to close the borders and start testing anyone coming in. I can’t understand why we wouldn’t.
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We should have been doing that in February/March time never mind now. Baffling.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,297
Nick said:
Not sure it's possible to prove anywhere is safe is it?
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All H&S is vague as fuck innit? They’d have to prove they’ve taken all reasonable precautions I’d guess. I’ll be honest without a union legal team behind me I wouldn’t try it, but that doesn’t mean it’s not right.
 

Nick

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,298
shmmeee said:
All H&S is vague as fuck innit? They’d have to prove they’ve taken all reasonable precautions I’d guess. I’ll be honest without a union legal team behind me I wouldn’t try it, but that doesn’t mean it’s not right.
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Exactly, so most people will just go to work!

I could blag I need to self isolate but then I don't get paid....
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,299
Brighton Sky Blue said:
We should have been doing that in February/March time never mind now. Baffling.
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Think it’s going to happen.

International arrivals 'will have to test negative before entering the UK'

Ministers are discussing tougher border measures to stop new strains of the virus entering the UK.
www.google.co.uk

Mentioned before about Feb/March. Check the lockdown doc on bbc from before Xmas about why they didn’t (plus the fact that insufficient testing available). Basically scientific advisers said there was no point as the virus was already here/in circulation. Got a feeling this is when they still thinking herd immunity was an option. What they didn’t build in initially was that it would buy time !
 

Ian1779

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,300
Nick said:
Exactly, so most people will just go to work!

I could blag I need to self isolate but then I don't get paid....
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Even if you were told to by the App for example?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,301
Ian1779 said:
Even if you were told to by the App for example?
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Yeah I would have to sort SSP or use holiday.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,302
Indonesia are vaccinating "working adults" first before the elderly. Makes sense.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,303
Nick said:
Yeah I would have to sort SSP or use holiday.
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That’s where the system is totally shit. If you’re told to isolate based on a government directive you should be paid as normal, and your employer can reclaim the money. It’s this kind of shit that means people still go to work and spread it as they have little choice.
 
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Nick

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,304
Ian1779 said:
That’s where the system is totally shit. If you’re told to isolate based on a government directive you should be paid as normal, and your employer can reclaim the money. It’s this kind of shit that means people still go to work and spread it as they have little choice.
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The thing is in small businesses, who does my work while I am off for 2 weeks? I can understand the position of small companies to be fair.

I felt a bit rough the other week, went and got a test on a Friday afternoon and was back in on the Monday morning once it was negative.

Have been saying this for ages, it's really not as simple as "stay at home" for everybody. The same for self employed people.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,305
Nick said:
Exactly, so most people will just go to work!
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If you can work from home and you boss is making you go in he's a dick and depending on how exactly they implement the promised legal enforcement of restrictions might be breaking the law by the end of the week.

The issue of people not staying at home because they can't afford the time off even if they have covid was flagged up at the very start and is another thing that nine months down the line is still being ignored. Think you'd have to rely on your boss being prepared to put you on furlough for the period of time you were told to isolate.
 
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