SkyBlueDom26
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Gove already backtracking on things being lifted in mid Feb, says will in March IF 14 million are vaccinated.....we’ll be in this for months the country is literally finished
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shmmeee
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Depends. It’ll likely come down to two questions: can you work from home and if not have they done everything reasonable to make work safe.
If you’ve already worked from home like I have they haven’t got a leg to stand on really as you’ve proved you can work from home.
A lot of teachers didn’t go in Monday because they didn’t think it was safe. If the government/schools had decided to push it it would’ve been down to a tribunal to decide I’d guess.
They never said stuff would be lifted by then though Dom. The aim is to get high risk vaccinated (offered vaccine was the loose wording used) by mid Feb, then 2-3 weeks for those last lot to have immunity kick in. Then some ifs and buts !
edit - that’s what I heard anyway
Nick
Administrator
Will it get me away from the c**t slurping his tea?
Sky Blue Pete
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Damn straight
Sky Blue Pete
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Refusing to go into work rather than do work is somewhat different especially for good reason
Nick
Administrator
When it comes to relying on SSP then people need to be dying to not go to work.
NorthernWisdom
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Yeah, tbf I wish they'd stop promising unrealistic vaccine times, but I do understand putting a date not *too* far in the future for things to be reviewed - got to give something for people to aim for!
Grendel
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Well if you’ve been employed for less than two years and they want you in in that example I’d be looking for a new job as the decision will soon be made for you
Sky Blue Pete
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You can legally refuse to work if the workspace is unsafe. In fact under health and safety and work act we need to do something about making it safe too
such a fine balance though mate. Everyone hears what they want to anyway. My mate was saying earlier he didn’t like Johnson’s vagueness/flakiness with the timeframes (yet Dom and others mayve heard mid Feb as a set deadline when everything will start to get back to normal). Theyre right to build in a bit of wriggle room (with some if’s and buts) after previous occasions of not managing expectations but agree, the timeline for vaccinations for higher risks appears tight* !!! If they miss it by a week I’d take it though !
*could be other stuff at play ie pushing Hancock (or others) to pull their finger out and deliver something theyve promised Johnson. Would rather have an aggressive target and miss it by a bit than have a relaxed one...that still gets missed by a bit !
Sky Blue Pete
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Yep unfortunately you may be right. Workers rights have been attacked by conservative governments
skybluetony176
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I think there’s been an assumption that it would be mid February as Boris gave a target of mid February to vaccinate the top 4 groups of people.
shmmeee
Well-Known Member
You can be sacked for literally anything first two years. Grendels just doing a weird manager flex. Sacking people for not breaking the law is apparently much manly.
Nick
Administrator
Refusing to go to work if asked probably is sackable. It isn't breaking the law to go to work, sadly
shmmeee
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Refusing to go to work if asked probably is sackable. It isn't breaking the law to go to work, sadly
If you’re asked to go in and they can’t prove it’s safe and that you can’t reasonably work from home they’re breaking the law. Or it will be tomorrow.
shmmeee
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It’s madness. Surely we’ve got to close the borders and start testing anyone coming in. I can’t understand why we wouldn’t.
Nick
Administrator
Not sure it's possible to prove anywhere is safe is it?
Brighton Sky Blue
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We should have been doing that in February/March time never mind now. Baffling.
shmmeee
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All H&S is vague as fuck innit? They’d have to prove they’ve taken all reasonable precautions I’d guess. I’ll be honest without a union legal team behind me I wouldn’t try it, but that doesn’t mean it’s not right.
Nick
Administrator
Exactly, so most people will just go to work!
I could blag I need to self isolate but then I don't get paid....
Think it’s going to happen.
International arrivals 'will have to test negative before entering the UK'
Ministers are discussing tougher border measures to stop new strains of the virus entering the UK.
www.google.co.uk
Mentioned before about Feb/March. Check the lockdown doc on bbc from before Xmas about why they didn’t (plus the fact that insufficient testing available). Basically scientific advisers said there was no point as the virus was already here/in circulation. Got a feeling this is when they still thinking herd immunity was an option. What they didn’t build in initially was that it would buy time !
Ian1779
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Even if you were told to by the App for example?
Nick
Administrator
Yeah I would have to sort SSP or use holiday.
Ian1779
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That’s where the system is totally shit. If you’re told to isolate based on a government directive you should be paid as normal, and your employer can reclaim the money. It’s this kind of shit that means people still go to work and spread it as they have little choice.
Nick
Administrator
The thing is in small businesses, who does my work while I am off for 2 weeks? I can understand the position of small companies to be fair.
I felt a bit rough the other week, went and got a test on a Friday afternoon and was back in on the Monday morning once it was negative.
Have been saying this for ages, it's really not as simple as "stay at home" for everybody. The same for self employed people.
chiefdave
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If you can work from home and you boss is making you go in he's a dick and depending on how exactly they implement the promised legal enforcement of restrictions might be breaking the law by the end of the week.
The issue of people not staying at home because they can't afford the time off even if they have covid was flagged up at the very start and is another thing that nine months down the line is still being ignored. Think you'd have to rely on your boss being prepared to put you on furlough for the period of time you were told to isolate.
We'll_live_and_die
Moderator
Vaccinate people going in and out of care homes then the people in care homes don’t need it.
Or is it a case of the vaccine means you won’t get ill but could still transmit it?
Brighton Sky Blue
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The Oxford one especially did not seem to prevent infection, but it did remove symptoms.
That last question is one reason why every major health authority in the world is prioritising the most vulnerable patients, rather than the ones most likely to catch it. Clearly now that things are getting desperate, people are calling for a rethink, but the conventional wisdom is that you do it in a certain order.
Personally I think it makes sense to do it in whichever order means I get it first.
