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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 21, 2020
  • #35,946
CCFCSteve said:
Better and more positive. Take it as you see it though
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Best case scenario for me would be 'normal' teaching allowed to resume in the spring and an unrestricted wedding in the summer. Worst case teaching in a box with no practicals all year and wedding restricted. Could very much do with something to look forward to.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 21, 2020
  • #35,947
CCFCSteve said:
Better and more positive. Take it as you see it though
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It's good that it's plateaued now it seems but it's at a very high level, looks likely Covid will have killed 100k by the end of 2020.
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 21, 2020
  • #35,948
I think I’m going to puke
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #35,949
So what absolute no per 100000 do we think or expect to be sensible or viable for a carefree Christmas in 5 week's time .

Edit:- bearing in mind 10 week's ago it was down to 3 per 100000k when it all kicked off again.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #35,950
wingy said:
So what absolute no per 100000 do we think or expect to be sensible or viable for a carefree Christmas in 5 week's time .

Edit:- bearing in mind 10 week's ago it was down to 3 per 100000k when it all kicked off again.
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none as a carefree xmas will just lead to a lot of pointless deaths and more pain
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #35,951
Does it look like the improvents in treatments has reduced the mortality by around 50% compared direct with overall raw totals from the first round?
Scientist on TV this morning emphasising again quite a high percentage of those being admitted to hospital are working age mother's (women).
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #35,952
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #35,953
Judging by the state of shops today, people are just meeting in them for a chat instead.

Absolutely rammed everywhere.
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #35,954
Nick said:
Judging by the state of shops today, people are just meeting in them for a chat instead.

Absolutely rammed everywhere.
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Coombe Abbey they'd closed the car park again. Which meant that cars, who wanted to go there, decided to just stop in the road, rather than carrying on and finding somewhere else.

It does seem remarkably busy everywhere today! Tbf it's a lovely day, so an ideal chance to get a walk in, but still...
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #35,955
Nick said:
Judging by the state of shops today, people are just meeting in them for a chat instead.

Absolutely rammed everywhere.
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I was in town Friday and it was dead, West Orchards was shut apart from the opticians, which is where I was going for an eye test.
Even Primark was shut when left the opticians at just gone 3.
Of the few shops that were open I think the case for a few of them to be classed as selling essentials would be very spurious indeed.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #35,956
I went to Tesco and it was rammed, groups of people stood about chatting all over the place as well.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #35,957
Pathetic

 
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clint van damme

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  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #35,958
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Pathetic

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they've broken their own lockdown rules, misappropriated public funds, bent if not broken the planning laws to deprive a poor London borough of 40 million and been found guilty of bullying since this pandemic started and they haven't apologised for anything.
It should be a national scandal but very few people seem to give a fuck.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #35,959
clint van damme said:
they've broken their own lockdown rules, misappropriated public funds, bent if not broken the planning laws to deprive a poor London borough of 40 million and been found guilty of bullying since this pandemic started and they haven't apologised for anything.
It should be a national scandal but very few people seem to give a fuck.
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It should be a scandal but they'll probably take their majority over 100
 
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baldy

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  • Nov 23, 2020
  • #35,960
Apparently since February,the official stats are that,for those aged 60 or below & with no pre-existIng conditions,there’s only been 339 deaths...and that’s from the national office of statistics too
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 23, 2020
  • #35,961
baldy said:
Apparently since February,the official stats are that,for those aged 60 or below & with no pre-existIng conditions,there’s only been 339 deaths...and that’s from the national office of statistics too
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Can't see that in any of the published ONS reports into excess death.

Also it's a strawman argument that is wrong in that it pretends all viruses don't mostly will the weakest people and it's morally wrong in that it implies that people over 60 are somehow worth less.
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 23, 2020
  • #35,962
Oxford vaccine is 90%effective, but for some reason BBC are portraying Only 70%
Like the others it requires two shots but is 70%effective after the first , Also talked of the first being a half dose.
This one doesn't require so much paraphernalia to store it.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 23, 2020
  • #35,963
Again, a pre-existing condition includes asthma, high blood pressure... mental health issues(!)

It really isn't that simple!
 
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David O'Day

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  • Nov 23, 2020
  • #35,964
Deleted member 5849 said:
Again, a pre-existing condition includes asthma, high blood pressure... mental health issues(!)

It really isn't that simple!
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Exactly

Some folk are acting like people with pre-existing conditions were going to die anyway.
 
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Macca

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  • Nov 23, 2020
  • #35,965
My observations from this weekend is that this lockdown is an utter farce. You can even tell the body language is different from the lockdown of Spring. Whether it’s fatigue or cynicism it feels totally different.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Nov 23, 2020
  • #35,966
Macca said:
My observations from this weekend is that this lockdown is an utter farce. You can even tell the body language is different from the lockdown of Spring. Whether it’s fatigue or cynicism it feels totally different.
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It's normal life but the pubs are shut at the moment
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 23, 2020
  • #35,967
David O'Day said:
It's normal life but the pubs are shut at the moment
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Normal life but I’m teaching in a box and can’t give someone a sheet
 

Ian1779

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  • Nov 23, 2020
  • #35,968
Macca said:
My observations from this weekend is that this lockdown is an utter farce. You can even tell the body language is different from the lockdown of Spring. Whether it’s fatigue or cynicism it feels totally different.
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The government is about to essentially reset everyone’s expectations so that 20K cases and 400 deaths a day is the new baseline.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 23, 2020
  • #35,969
Oxford vaccine 70% effective. It's it just me who thinks that isn't very good?
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 23, 2020
  • #35,970
Deleted member 5849 said:
Oxford vaccine 70% effective. It's it just me who thinks that isn't very good?
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But it seems it isn't,yet that's how it's being presented

Given the others all require a double dose to achieve their efficacy threshold,why not measure like for like.
A half dose followed by a full dose achieves the figure of 90% .
Apples with apples.
Editlus it's 20% the cost of the others, doesn't require specialized storage,no one who caught Covid on the test required hospital treatment etc.
May also prevent transmission.
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 23, 2020
  • #35,971
From the Hancock interview this morning he seems to think something approaching normality will prevail by post Easter.
Now if that's when vaccine is delivered to population IDK , but coming towards summer it should dissipate anyway as we move outdoors again.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 23, 2020
  • #35,972
wingy said:
But it seems it isn't,yet that's how it's being presented

Given the others all require a double dose to achieve their efficacy threshold,why not measure like for like.
A half dose followed by a full dose achieves the figure of 90% .
Apples with apples.
Editlus it's 20% the cost of the others, doesn't require specialized storage,no one who caught Covid on the test required hospital treatment etc.
May also prevent transmission.
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Tbf, there was a professor just in the radio who said that was better than the flu vaccine.

Can't get away from the doubt that if we hadn't bought so much of it, we wouldn't be bugging it up so much, however.
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 23, 2020
  • #35,973
Deleted member 5849 said:
Tbf, there was a professor just in the radio who said that was better than the flu vaccine.

Can't get away from the doubt that if we hadn't bought so much of it, we wouldn't be bugging it up so much, however.
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Couldn't be useful to third world countries.
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 23, 2020
  • #35,974
I do wonder sometimes if there is a passive desire to keep a little bit of it knocking around.
The state of Victoria has just eliminated it within their territory.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 23, 2020
  • #35,975
wingy said:
no one who caught Covid on the test required hospital treatment etc.
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That's good. I'd like to know how many of the higher risk groups took part in the trials.
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 23, 2020
  • #35,976
Deleted member 5849 said:
That's good. I'd like to know how many of the higher risk groups took part in the trials.
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Yep me too.
131 caught the virus I think,31 showed symptoms,no info yet on subsets.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 23, 2020
  • #35,977
wingy said:
Oxford vaccine is 90%effective, but for some reason BBC are portraying Only 70%
Like the others it requires two shots but is 70%effective after the first , Also talked of the first being a half dose.
This one doesn't require so much paraphernalia to store it.
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The logical conclusion is that as the government has ordered only so many that they'll do mass vaccination using one shot
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 23, 2020
  • #35,978
fernandopartridge said:
The logical conclusion is that as the government has ordered only so many that they'll do mass vaccination using one shot
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Guess so,100M though .
Would have thought that's be enough for the uptake to be fair.
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 23, 2020
  • #35,979
fernandopartridge said:
The logical conclusion is that as the government has ordered only so many that they'll do mass vaccination using one shot
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Looking at it again ,1.5 shots just about correlates to the entire population .
Serendipity or who knew Lol.
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 23, 2020
  • #35,980
Deleted member 5849 said:
Oxford vaccine 70% effective. It's it just me who thinks that isn't very good?
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Take a look at the press release they put out and you’ll see the numbers are much better than that

Oxford University breakthrough on global COVID-19 vaccine | University of Oxford

Oxford announces interim trial data from its Phase III trials that show its candidate coronavirus vaccine is effective at preventing COVID-19 and offers a high level of protection.
www.ox.ac.uk

So in summary:

* If you take the vaccine in two full doses it’s 62% effective

* If you take the vaccine with one half dose followed by one full dose it’s 90% effective

So not only is the vaccine just as effective as the others, there’s also more of it to go round. Plus it appears to slow down transmission of the virus, and it can be stored at fridge temperature. And we have fucking loads of it on order. So this is very very good indeed.
 
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